Saladin No cottages Immortal

[ThERat]

save

Pre-Turn
declare on Fred and move in, we need some pikes to fight off the knights..

1. 1210AD
Asoka comes and offers to exchange happy luxes, I say yes since we need more of them
move on to Frankfurt, 2 knight invaded at Damscus and sit on our ivory
use our phants to take them out, upgrade a spear there for 95gold

2. 1220AD
Toku captures Karachi
our accuracy cats bomb Frankfurt down
he has 6 units inside
lose a mere cat and take city, start to pillage, we need money badly

3. 1230AD
India captures Pasergadea...
fred has a big stack next to Shanghai, thats great since that is the easiest to defend
while some troops heal decide to go after Dortmund

4. 1240AD
hmm, fred didn't attack but waited for more troops
at least we have a pike there now

5. 1250AD
Fred more as only one knight attacks Shanghai and of course loses to our pike
move next to Dortmund

6. 1260AD
Fred loses 4 troops at Shanghai, but defeats 2 at Franfurt with his knights
attack Dortmund, lose 1 elephant, but take city

7. 1270AD
lose exposed mace to LB, didn't think he would attack
Munich now has a mere 3 defenders, we need to attack soonish
move small stack next to Dusseldorf while our cats head back towards Munich

we could get optics from Cyrus if we wish so, leave that for now
game crashes

8. 1280AD
start journey to Munich

9. 1290AD
chemistry is finally in, go for steel, looks too good to be missed
Baghdad's borders expand and steal Qin's furs, that's too nice
reduce lux to 0%

lose cat and elephant, but take Dusseldorf

Fred has some caravels around, I don't like it, get optics from Cyrus (as well as HBR)

10. 1300AD
Izzy demands all our gold, reject it, but I can smell another war here
Frankfurt comes online, whip a court there since it is starving anyway

also, be careful there are still cottages around which we need to pillage. I tried to use axes/spear to pillage

enemy territory first, but we need to clean the areas of the new towns as well.

by the way, we still have a gunpowder monopoly, the AI is really slow in this game

our new land

our stack next to Munich

 

[Qwack]

Finally some war action for me. . Got it. Nicely done again TheRat.

 

[Mutineer]

Looks good. I was a bit woried about posible resistance Frad can put in. He was huge and it is immortal.
Good Job. TheRat Useally does very good job pillaging stuff.

Qwack, try not to forget to pillage cottages. In previous save you left a bunch of cottages that was posible to pillage for money. Just keep it in mind.
TheRat Useally does very good job pillaging stuff.

It's look like I will not have any action all game , but building is fun to.

Watch Liz, Fred migth ask her help or she stub as by her own initiative.
Nasty girl.

AI is not very slow in this game. WE got liberalism 1020AD, I would say we were fast.

 

[Qwack]

Qwack, try not to forget to pillage cottages. In previous save you left a bunch of cottages that was posible to pillage for money. Just keep it in mind.

Yeah I wanted to ask about this. Are we supposed to keep the cottages left behind from other AI's.. guess not

 

[Mutineer]

>>>Variant: We are not permitted to own cottages, ever.

I forgot you did not play with as in Monarch/Emperor games.
No, we are not permitted to own any cottages.

 

[uberfish]

All the fighting has definitely slowed the AI tech pace down, although it's weird that they didn't prioritise gunpowder more in the circumstances.

 

[Qwack]

Ok completed.

We easily take munich for 2 losses I believe. I start pillaging cottages around it while they are in Fred's territory so we get gold.



While I was building irrigation chain to our western cities, I notice this...



Well, I think we all know whats coming. I was going to make a push at berlin since it has 2 gold, but I brought all my elephants back. We wont be able to hold Dortmund it if isabella attacks next turn, but I had a feeling the AI's stupidity will be at work here again. I think she will move to the forest instead of attacking right away.

And she does... wow why is AI so dumb..

This allows us to get some reinforcements. While I was concentrating on Dortmund, isbella manages to sneak 4 conquistadors out of the fog and razes dortmund. SIgh

So anyways, here is situation... we have 2 musketman and I whipped a grenadiar which will be up before she attacks next turn. I think we should be able to keep dortmund but lets see. Also I didnt declare peace with fred because I thought we can capture berlin. I got HORRIBLE luck in trying to take it first time around. This is as far as I remember what happened. I bombard defense to 0%. Send in cat to collaterol, he doesnt weaken the longbow he was facing. send in city raider 3 maceman at 67% odds, he kills longbow. Send in raider 2, he loses and doesnt damage the longbow at 60+% odds I believe. Send in grenadiar at 72% odds, he also loses and doesnt weaken. Send in another maceman, he loses but atleast manages to weaken.. wow. I decide to stop there and bring in reinforcements. This was worst luck I have had. I think if the longbow promotes to city defense, we wont be able to take berlin now, and will be forced to peace.



In other news, I used a merchant on a gold bomb for 1700 gold, and started the forbidden palace.

The save:

 

[uberfish]

Sounds like we were a bit unlucky there, but at least Mutineer gets some action!

Maybe we should go constitution after steel now, Rifling is about 4 techs off.

 

[ThERat]

whatever it takes us, but I want to see us taking out Spain. She has sneak attacked us twice, that's too much, let's wipe her off the face of the planet

 

[uberfish]

Agreed, Isa needs to die.

I think even if we have to make peace with Fred in the short term, we should have done enough damage that he won't be a serious threat in future.

 

[Mutineer]

I can not look at save at the moment, but by the look of it we need to peace Fred and Damage Isa a bit. She now got her UU, would be hurd.

What with the city on that spot? It got raised twice this game. Must be on bad ground.

Yes, we NEED representation to make our specialists more effective.

I am not sure how mach actions I will get, as I undestand our military is not in a best shape at the moment and I would probably need to concentrate on military buildup. Lets hope I will be able to build up an army on my tirns.

 

[ThERat]

I don't see it mentioned but there should be a Great Prophet born by now for a shrine. Did that happen?

 

[uberfish]

No, the prophets in Guangzhou seem to have been fired when someone drafted/whipped the city, this can be fixed by re-hiring them and temporarily firing the ones in Beijing.

I think we should make Fred convert to Hinduism as part of any peace treaty, it will destroy his relationship with Isa who has razed one of his cities.

And I think Dortmund is lost and we should try and defend at a more favourable spot. Too many catapults there now.

 

[Mutineer]

I took a look on save and I do not see how we could take Berlin with avalible forces.
I feel we need to make peace with Fredric and I am not sure we could take on Isa. We probably will loose city.

I feel it was mistake to go after steel befor Republic. We are starting to fall behind technologically.

I think it would need carefull playing and I do not think I have enogth time today, so we have a bit more time to hear everyone opinions.

 

[uberfish]

I suggest:

- Hire the 2 priests in Guangzhou again, fire specialists in Beijing.

- We sign peace with Fred immediately for him converting to Hinduism and whatever tech we can get.

- Pull our wounded elephants out of Dortmund to save them, they're useful as pikes don't counter conquistadors well, and our ivory is likely to get pillaged at some point. We can afford to sacrifice this city, and make our stand at Damascus with the benefit of our cultural borders slowing enemy movement.

- Leave the muskets in so they'll kill a few enemy catapults hopefully. Without cats Isa won't be able to get much further.

 

[ThERat]

agree with uberfish's ideas. I thought we had a prophet for the shrine already, I should have mentioned it during my set

We should defend in our terriotory for now and build up a nice military with cannons and then go after Izzy and smash her down properly.

I didn't go for constitution since Fred has it and I had hoped we could extort it for peace.

 

[Mutineer]

Turn 0
Whith remaning units move pillage Frederic cottages, on city rider full health mace kill one LB, just in spite.
Peace with Frederic for his map+Music+Convert to hinduism.
Pull our wounded elephants out of Dortmund.

Look on our cities and I see luck of infrastructure, especially in new conquested.
Decided to spend my turns prepare infrustructure, converting rest Federic cities to Hinduism and waging defence war.
Whiped all military we were producing.
Hire 2 priest in Prophet producing city.
Micro many cities for more commerce.

Turn 1
Issa attack and easy took Dortmund. Never undestand why AI cant seems to retreat all the time.
Revolted to orgonised religion.

Turn 1-10
Spread Hinduism to all Frederic city.
My plan is to keep him a friend for a time been to secure our back and concentraite only on Issy now on. We weeken him good enogth.
Now new missionaries run to Cyrus and then I suggest we send some to Asoka.

Build one Taoism Missionary and spread it to Propet producing city. Whiped temple and hired 3rd priest.

Kill 2 Issy attack stack consisted mostly with cats/conquestadors.
Took back Dortmund.
Builded and whiped a lot of infrastructure.
I vetoed Forbitten in that loccation, because it is to near to our capital.
I suggest keep forbitten for Issy land.
Representation in 1.

Turn 9 we got GP, Turn 10 build shrine.
We making 21 GP.

We have some army, but if it week and does not have anoght knight protection.

Issy produced a huge amoung of Conquestadors/cats. I fear the moment she get Mil Tradition.

Our current stack is not good enogth for attack operation. I suggest attacking carefully, expect mass cats/conquestadors attack.

AI now got Printing press and running to rifles.

 

[uberfish]

1505 AD (1) - Constitution in, revolt to Representation + Bureaucracy. I don't want to draft any more muskets because they just lose to conquistadors anyway. Hired some specialists (engineers.) Printing press due in 7. Rifling is still going to take on the order of 25-30 turns to finish at current rates.

Against mass conquistadors, we are unable to go on the attack right now since too many of our troops are musket/mace.

Elephant kills a conq outside Dortmund.

Fred revolts into free religion annoyingly. Cyrus builds Taj Mahal.


1520 AD (4) - moved troops towards Barcelona, in response Isa sends out her conquistadors and I have to move back next turn to defend


1525 AD (5) - killed a couple of pillaging conquistadors, lost our pike


1530 AD (6) - Cyrus now has guilds. Excellent, this is exactly what we needed. Trade Education to Cyrus for Guilds + 460 gold + his map.

2 conquistadors die attacking Dortmund.

Isa is camping in the forest outside Dortmund again with a bunch of Pinch conquistadors and a catapult. This is a pain, as conquistadors unlike knights actually seem to get defensive bonuses. So I can't displace her with anything we have at decent odds. However, at least one cannon is on the way in case I need to attack the stack. No hurry with 1 catapult.

WW up to 6 in large cities, it's causing trouble. Switch back to nationhood for barracks happiness, had to whip a jail in Beijing too.


1535 AD (7) - Printing press -> Banking

Isabella will talk now, she's offering world map + 180 gold + 9GPT for peace. Since the war against her is not getting anywhere (we can't even clear her conquistadors out of a forest) I accept. Of course, this made switching back to nationalism last turn rather pointless.

Military builds put on hold again mostly while we're still in OR. We need 3 more universities for Oxford, therefore working on those.


1540 AD (8) - after 3 failures to spread religion one of our missionaries actually spreads Hinduism to an AI city.


1545 AD (9) - Banking -> Replaceable Parts. Asoka and Fred have this tech already. Asoka also has democracy.

Sold Qin paper for 40 gold, and cows for 1gpt to improve relations. Sold banking to Cyrus for 40 gold too, in the hope that he learns economics and we can trade with him later. Should maybe give him more.


1555 AD (11) - Played one extra turn by accident instead of saving the game, sorry, but it was uneventful. Asoka demands steel. Suuure we're going to give it to the tech leader. He drops to cautious. Qin goes up to cautious and I open borders with him for a couple more trade routes. Why not.

Fred has rifles now, and Asoka cavalry. Isa does not have chemistry or RP yet.

I revolt us back to bureaucracy (again.) This makes us quite a lot of money, and will help us build Oxford in Mecca. It probably should bump that grenadier off the queue, as our 6th university will be done soon.

RP is due in 3, and rifling in 8 after that. Gives us some time to build jails to counter the WW anyway.


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[uberfish]

Just realised we can go to Biology and artillery without obsoleting GL and colossus, probably a good idea!

 

[ThERat]

save


Pre-Turn
nothing much to do here for the time being

1. 1560AD
spear religion to Persepolis

2. 1565AD
get a great Artist in Bejing, yucks save him for a GA maybe

3. 1570AD
RP is in rifling next in 7, spread religion to Pasergadea
Munich is unhappy, whip a university there

4. 1575AD
zzz

5. 1580AD
nothing of importance

6. 1585AD
peace deal with Spain ends

7. 1590AD
what's up here, failing to spread religion and moveing cannons towards Spain

8. 1595AD
start journey to Munich

9. 1600AD
rifling is in, I stop to even rounds
there are 6 cannons in Dortmund now, Oxford done in 3, then we should start military build up and kick

Spain properly
we also get another GP in 3 turns, maybe we can start a GA with it