"Sarah's Law"

[.:KNAS:.]

Originally posted by CornMaster
Anyone else who has life in prision should be given a choice of Death or Life in Prision. If I can't be a productive member of society....and I don't want to be a burden....I would opt to be put to death. Of course I wouldn't get myself into that situation in the first place. And most criminals don't have my state of mind.

if i was in that situation, i would try to make my stay there as expensive as possible

 

[ComradeDavo]

Sarah's Law is a complicated issue, of course parents deserve the right to know that dangerous people who could be a threat to their children are living near them yet, as shown when the sunday newspaper 'The News of the World' published the names of paedophiles in Great Britain, it can degenate into a situation where vigilantes start to hunt down these people and can cause terriable incedents such as when a vigilante mob thought they had found the home of one but it actually turned out to be a completely innocent family..a very nasty inceddent indeed.

NOTE: today the News of the World has published photographs of 6 paedophiles which were given to them by Scotland Yard, these 6 are missing after failing to sing report to the sex offenders register (or something similar to that).

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by ComradeDavo
Sarah's Law is a complicated issue, of course parents deserve the right to know that dangerous people who could be a threat to their children are living near them

Why? It won't necessarily make them any safer. Unless they decide to cocoon their child in some sort of social shell, there's always going to be threats to a child.

Originally posted by ComradeDavo
Yet, as shown when the sunday newspaper 'The News of the World' published the names of paedophiles in Great Britain, it can degenate into a situation where vigilantes start to hunt down these people and can cause terriable incedents such as when a vigilante mob thought they had found the home of one but it actually turned out to be a completely innocent family..a very nasty inceddent indeed.

NOTE: today the News of the World has published photographs of 6 paedophiles which were given to them by Scotland Yard, these 6 are missing after failing to sing report to the sex offenders register (or something similar to that).

Yep.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by CornMaster
You know what would make it best. Basically if it's life without paroll and the case is closed.

lol. And id this peson later goes on to be found innocent, as often happens?

Originally posted by CornMaster
Kill the person. They are only going to die anyway...since they have no chance of getting out.

That's a very harsh, insensitive view of life.

Originally posted by CornMaster
Anyone else who has life in prision should be given a choice of Death or Life in Prision. If I can't be a productive member of society....and I don't want to be a burden....I would opt to be put to death. Of course I wouldn't get myself into that situation in the first place. And most criminals don't have my state of mind.

Hmmmm, choice of sentencing seems a bit dodgy to me.

 

[ComradeDavo]

If they know that there are child sex offenders in the area the chances are that there probably keep a closer eye of their children and make sure that the children don't wonder off, for example if the child is playing with an older sibling (in the case of sarah) they can tell the older sibling to make damn sure the younger child doesn't wonder off.

(note: they should do this anyway)

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Crazy Eddie
I thought someone would say something like this...

Modern DNA testing gives us the best chance of a good conviction than at any time in history. Micheal Stone wouldn't be eligable to have his neck streched, that was a pretty unsafe prosicution by any standards. For Fred & Rosie West, however, I don't think there is any doubt at all.

Evidence can be tampered with.

Originally posted by Crazy Eddie
It only costs more when you allow lawyers to keep appeals going for years, and the state not only has to pay the cost of keeping the person in jail, (£25,000-30,000 per year in UK) but huge legal bills too.

That's just as much the case with capital crimes as a anything else. You seem to think that as soon as someone is convicted upon a capital charge, they go straight to the chair. In fact, it can be years, even over a decade before that happens.

Originally posted by Crazy Eddie
If you're worried about innocent people being convicted, why send anyone to prison? Is being locked in a tiny cell 20+ hours a day for the rest of your life really that much more humane than execution? Isn't quality of life as important as mere quantity?

Innocent people who are wrongly convicted have only been deprived of their liberty for a period, and can be released. Dead people can't.

As the whole argument for punishing a person by death seems to be a solely vengeful, vindictive one, I would have thought that advocates of it would favour a less humane option.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by ComradeDavo
(note: they should do this anyway)

Which moots the whole point.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Surely you don't think that the police planted bodies to frame some of these people? DNA testing can be done on such small pieces of tissue now that contamination will be an issue in some cases sure, but in a lot of trials the evidence is so overwhelming that proving guilt isn't a problem. As for the time taken to execute some-one, it's the lawyers constant appeals that waste all this time, and account for most of the extra cost. With a strong conviction this wasted time shouldn't happen.
And no, I'm not advocating the death penalty out of a sense of vengance. If somebody is SO dangerous that they can't be trusted to be a part of society, then why should society keep them alive? Just to keep ourselves from feeling guilty about killing them? There are far better things to spend taxes on.

 

[CornMaster]

Originally posted by Hamlet
lol. And id this peson later goes on to be found innocent, as often happens?

They can't be found innocent! CASE CLSOED!

That's a very harsh, insensitive view of life.

It may be...but it logical, and economical.

Hmmmm, choice of sentencing seems a bit dodgy to me.

My choice? That's my choice. As I said...most people don't share my state of mind.

if i was in that situation, i would try to make my stay there as expensive as possible

KNAS....then you are a dick.
Only cares about himself and not the rest of mankind. Your the type (and I say this solely on this statement. I have no idea what you are REALLY like....and you may be the total opposite. People tend to act differently when online) of person that would commit a crime. Because they don't really care about anything else.

I know if I was convicted and sentenced to life in prision with no chance of parole and I couldn't do some sort of job and be productive....then there is no reason to live. I'm just a burden to everyone else....

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[Magnus]

The only problem I have with the death penalty is they dont kill enough of the low life scum of the earth. Let the penalty fit the crime. The state has obligations to the citizenry to keep their world as safe as possible. Anything but death has loopholes - close the loopholes by closing a noose around their necks.

Yea, I may sound cruel, but then again I am only a few generations removed from an angry monkey.

 

[.:KNAS:.]

Originally posted by CornMaster
Your the type (and I say this solely on this statement. I have no idea what you are REALLY like....and you may be the total opposite. People tend to act differently when online) of person that would commit a crime. Because they don't really care about anything else.

u r probably right, but if had the choice of life sentence or death, if i would choose death, it would be because its "the easy way out" not beacuse i want to save the goverment that put me in jail for something i naturally didnt do money

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by CornMaster
They can't be found innocent! CASE CLSOED!

Ahhh, I see.

Originally posted by CornMaster
It may be...but it logical, and economical.

Many things are "logical and economical". That doesn't make them right.

Originally posted by CornMaster
My choice? That's my choice. As I said...most people don't share my state of mind.

Evidently.