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Memphus says:
Good Morning (could be evening for you) do you have a second?
Lord says:
yep, evening here
Lord says:
and yes
Memphus says:
cool! Did you guys receive the letter?
Lord says:
yep
Lord says:
posted it on the forum, been a bit of discussion
Memphus says:
pretty intense stuff we didn't expect them to show up before we captured the city
Lord says:
ah, right
Lord says:
how many turns until it grows? do you know?
Memphus says:
by my estimate, if worst case happens (from when we first saw the city, and barbs built a worker first)
Memphus says:
is T97 + or - a turn
Memphus says:
but as our letter said, if they get that city, we are trapped and have no land route to you (wish we could send screenshots)
Lord says:
ah, ok
Lord says:
doesn't sound too good
Lord says:
if it's just a chariot, can't you just kill it?
Memphus says:
we could attack them, and we discussed that at length
Memphus says:
but felt we shouldn't do that so fresh into an alliance with you
Lord says:
oh?
Memphus says:
so instead we opted for the threatening letter, and then filling you guys in
Lord says:
I don't think it would matter to us much... you're welcome to war with whom you want to (aside from us )
Memphus says:
now if we have your support (and Kaz says no we are staying put)
Memphus says:
then yes chariots are dying
Lord says:
heh
Lord says:
cool
Lord says:
have Kaz responded to you yet?
Memphus says:
no...
Memphus says:
but i bet they are saying: "who cares we get feud in 6-7 turns" thier Horse Archers have no chance
Memphus says:
so they might try and call us on it.
Lord says:
ah, ok
Lord says:
I think the main problem for us is how we'd word any message we sent to Kaz... "um, we heard there's a barbarian city that you're near that SANCTA wants, and if you don't give it to them then our previous tech deal will be cancelled"...
Lord says:
seems a little weasely
Memphus says:
yeah i know...
Lord says:
although of course if you requested, we'd deny Kaz the tech regardless
Memphus says:
well i don't think we need to go that far...it is important for you guys to honour the trade, but Kaz needs to get a bit scared
Memphus says:
unless at this point you feel confident in going 2 vs. 2 and try to swing MS?
Memphus says:
Maybe the wording of something like (to say to Kaz):
Memphus says:
Sancta has contacted us requiring resources for a dispute over a barbarian city, as such we are diverting them as required and Feudalism will be delayed for the forseeable future upon the resolution of this dispute progress on feudalism will continue and you can expect it then
Lord says:
sorry, my computer overheated before
Lord says:
hmm, that seems slightly better
Lord says:
still needs a bit of work, I'll think it over
Memphus says:
no problem (mine does it all the time dumb comps)
Memphus says:
oh for sure I am not the best writer... (G_W is) and I am sure he would offer some services if required.
Memphus says:
ultimately we (and the alliance) need that city, so 500-1000 years from now we can support each other with troops
Lord says:
oh, I'm sure I could word it fairly well myself... playing a heap of multiplayer games gives you some diplomatic skills. it's just that it still boils down an appearance of sticking our nose where it doesn't belong
Lord says:
yep, indeed
Memphus says:
exactly!
Memphus says:
so you guys will figure it out and send them something to nudge them away?
Lord says:
hmm, well it'd be good if we waited until Kaz replied first... creates needless trouble if they were going to back off anyway and then get this rude email from Saturn...
Lord says:
what sort of time frame do we have?
Memphus says:
hmmm...not sure
Memphus says:
we sent it 2 days ago (roughly 36 hours)
Lord says:
are we talking about next turn?
Memphus says:
and nothing.
Lord says:
hmm
Memphus says:
yeah
Lord says:
that's still in the realms of reasonable response time though
Memphus says:
but the game is paused (on thier turn) it was sent after the pause
Memphus says:
oh for sure it is.
Lord says:
ah, ok
Memphus says:
the trick is if we have no indication by our turn, if we don't attack, then our axes could be hit by thier chariot.
Memphus says:
when the turn goes back to them.
Lord says:
you could always pause it and send a quick message to Kaz stating that you are specifically waiting on their answer. If still no word in a day or two, Saturn can intervene...
Memphus says:
For sure...our team is just so agaisn't pausing ....haha so they might vote that down on me.
Lord says:
lol
Lord says:
our team hates delays too, but we do pause occasionally when it's an urgent need
Memphus says:
i can definetely not end turn in 2 hours though
Lord says:
the option is there to be used if you really need it
Lord says:
ok
Memphus says:
so if your turn goes ~24 hours + us ~24 hours
Memphus says:
that would give us (assuming unpause today) almost 5 days for Kaz with the letter
Memphus says:
so if near end of our turn and no word, would it be fair to ask for Saturn Intervention to help Kaz make up thier mind?
Lord says:
sure, if no word from Kaz by that stage (as long as you send them a reminder), then we can intervene
Memphus says:
we will send a reminder right after they end their turn (and yours starts) implying they have obviously discussed it by that point and have unpaused the game
Lord says:
righot
Memphus says:
in that letter should we say we are now calling in allies due to thier hostility via no response? (thus giving you a segway (spelling) )
Lord says:
*righto
Lord says:
no, I don't think so
Memphus says:
ok cool. we won't then
Lord says:
just give them a gentle reminder, then we'll intervene ourselves if they don't respond (or respond positively)
Memphus says:
ok sweet! can do!
Memphus says:
(well G_W will)
Lord says:
first rule of diplomacy is to avoid potential conflict where possible... if you say you're calling on allies, they'll obviously know it's us, which may create unneeded tensions if they're not planning on trying to screw you.
Lord says:
(right now at least)
Lord says:
so let's see what happens with Kaz first :
Lord says:
Memphus says:
yeah for sure! thanks
Memphus says:
we will keep you update on the progess.
Memphus says:
by the way we just got ivory this past turn (a second set)
Memphus says:
please ask for it if you need it!
Memphus says:
we will accept on our turn (or if you need i can log in before you end turn) so you get the +1 on your turn
Lord says:
sure, will do
Lord says:
I think we'll probably need it fairly soon if not now
Lord says:
righto, great
Memphus says:
alright i am outta here time to get ready for work
Good Morning (could be evening for you) do you have a second?
Lord says:
yep, evening here
Lord says:
and yes
Memphus says:
cool! Did you guys receive the letter?
Lord says:
yep
Lord says:
posted it on the forum, been a bit of discussion
Memphus says:
pretty intense stuff we didn't expect them to show up before we captured the city
Lord says:
ah, right
Lord says:
how many turns until it grows? do you know?
Memphus says:
by my estimate, if worst case happens (from when we first saw the city, and barbs built a worker first)
Memphus says:
is T97 + or - a turn
Memphus says:
but as our letter said, if they get that city, we are trapped and have no land route to you (wish we could send screenshots)
Lord says:
ah, ok
Lord says:
doesn't sound too good
Lord says:
if it's just a chariot, can't you just kill it?
Memphus says:
we could attack them, and we discussed that at length
Memphus says:
but felt we shouldn't do that so fresh into an alliance with you
Lord says:
oh?
Memphus says:
so instead we opted for the threatening letter, and then filling you guys in
Lord says:
I don't think it would matter to us much... you're welcome to war with whom you want to (aside from us )
Memphus says:
now if we have your support (and Kaz says no we are staying put)
Memphus says:
then yes chariots are dying
Lord says:
heh
Lord says:
cool
Lord says:
have Kaz responded to you yet?
Memphus says:
no...
Memphus says:
but i bet they are saying: "who cares we get feud in 6-7 turns" thier Horse Archers have no chance
Memphus says:
so they might try and call us on it.
Lord says:
ah, ok
Lord says:
I think the main problem for us is how we'd word any message we sent to Kaz... "um, we heard there's a barbarian city that you're near that SANCTA wants, and if you don't give it to them then our previous tech deal will be cancelled"...
Lord says:
seems a little weasely
Memphus says:
yeah i know...
Lord says:
although of course if you requested, we'd deny Kaz the tech regardless
Memphus says:
well i don't think we need to go that far...it is important for you guys to honour the trade, but Kaz needs to get a bit scared
Memphus says:
unless at this point you feel confident in going 2 vs. 2 and try to swing MS?
Memphus says:
Maybe the wording of something like (to say to Kaz):
Memphus says:
Sancta has contacted us requiring resources for a dispute over a barbarian city, as such we are diverting them as required and Feudalism will be delayed for the forseeable future upon the resolution of this dispute progress on feudalism will continue and you can expect it then
Lord says:
sorry, my computer overheated before
Lord says:
hmm, that seems slightly better
Lord says:
still needs a bit of work, I'll think it over
Memphus says:
no problem (mine does it all the time dumb comps)
Memphus says:
oh for sure I am not the best writer... (G_W is) and I am sure he would offer some services if required.
Memphus says:
ultimately we (and the alliance) need that city, so 500-1000 years from now we can support each other with troops
Lord says:
oh, I'm sure I could word it fairly well myself... playing a heap of multiplayer games gives you some diplomatic skills. it's just that it still boils down an appearance of sticking our nose where it doesn't belong
Lord says:
yep, indeed
Memphus says:
exactly!
Memphus says:
so you guys will figure it out and send them something to nudge them away?
Lord says:
hmm, well it'd be good if we waited until Kaz replied first... creates needless trouble if they were going to back off anyway and then get this rude email from Saturn...
Lord says:
what sort of time frame do we have?
Memphus says:
hmmm...not sure
Memphus says:
we sent it 2 days ago (roughly 36 hours)
Lord says:
are we talking about next turn?
Memphus says:
and nothing.
Lord says:
hmm
Memphus says:
yeah
Lord says:
that's still in the realms of reasonable response time though
Memphus says:
but the game is paused (on thier turn) it was sent after the pause
Memphus says:
oh for sure it is.
Lord says:
ah, ok
Memphus says:
the trick is if we have no indication by our turn, if we don't attack, then our axes could be hit by thier chariot.
Memphus says:
when the turn goes back to them.
Lord says:
you could always pause it and send a quick message to Kaz stating that you are specifically waiting on their answer. If still no word in a day or two, Saturn can intervene...
Memphus says:
For sure...our team is just so agaisn't pausing ....haha so they might vote that down on me.
Lord says:
lol
Lord says:
our team hates delays too, but we do pause occasionally when it's an urgent need
Memphus says:
i can definetely not end turn in 2 hours though
Lord says:
the option is there to be used if you really need it
Lord says:
ok
Memphus says:
so if your turn goes ~24 hours + us ~24 hours
Memphus says:
that would give us (assuming unpause today) almost 5 days for Kaz with the letter
Memphus says:
so if near end of our turn and no word, would it be fair to ask for Saturn Intervention to help Kaz make up thier mind?
Lord says:
sure, if no word from Kaz by that stage (as long as you send them a reminder), then we can intervene
Memphus says:
we will send a reminder right after they end their turn (and yours starts) implying they have obviously discussed it by that point and have unpaused the game
Lord says:
righot
Memphus says:
in that letter should we say we are now calling in allies due to thier hostility via no response? (thus giving you a segway (spelling) )
Lord says:
*righto
Lord says:
no, I don't think so
Memphus says:
ok cool. we won't then
Lord says:
just give them a gentle reminder, then we'll intervene ourselves if they don't respond (or respond positively)
Memphus says:
ok sweet! can do!
Memphus says:
(well G_W will)
Lord says:
first rule of diplomacy is to avoid potential conflict where possible... if you say you're calling on allies, they'll obviously know it's us, which may create unneeded tensions if they're not planning on trying to screw you.
Lord says:
(right now at least)
Lord says:
so let's see what happens with Kaz first :
Lord says:
Memphus says:
yeah for sure! thanks
Memphus says:
we will keep you update on the progess.
Memphus says:
by the way we just got ivory this past turn (a second set)
Memphus says:
please ask for it if you need it!
Memphus says:
we will accept on our turn (or if you need i can log in before you end turn) so you get the +1 on your turn
Lord says:
sure, will do
Lord says:
I think we'll probably need it fairly soon if not now
Lord says:
righto, great
Memphus says:
alright i am outta here time to get ready for work