SCENARIO: World War II

[tcwonder3]

Bobby Lee, my man, the war was WON in Russia, not on the beaches of Normandy or France. The Western Allies sent enough equipment to Russia via Murmansk from 1942-1944 to qualify. Without a USSR that is locked into the Western Allies, you have a totally unhistorical scenario because the AI is stupid and we can't change it enough to keep it from being so.

 

[LouLong]

Originally posted by Bobby Lee
i still think the western allies should be separate from Russia.........noone ever based there except the russians.......and noone ever had major opperation there except the Russians

Actually some troops, mostly airplanes, used Soviet Union (the Normandy-Niemen team with French and Polish pilots) and the Murmansk supply line enabled Allied ships to land. They are minor troops but existed anyway.

Another note about Vichy France. It should considered as allied with the Axis, whereas Free France (some troops in England + Black Africa and later North Africa) were Allied. It is just thanks to De Gaulle's will that France was not punished as an enemy since the French army collaborate largely.

BTW, there was only one strength of the French army in 1939 which was its brand-new Navy that was not actually used.

 

[Bobby Lee]

How stupid do u think i am........i know D**n well the war was won in Russia. My point is that the western allies didn't have any major # of troops in that theater so therefor it should be it's own country.

 

[Archer 007]

I like the idea of a "What If?" WW2 scenario. :tank:

Germany, USA, and China in an allance. The possiblies are endless. [plasma]

 

[kaigun]

Whats wrong with Japan having Jets the answer is nothing they did have there own all Japanese Jet Fighter *no German tech before anyone suggests that( flying in 45 the problem like Germany was the lack of fuel

 

[NewWaver]

Might I suggest another Civ. to add to the list - Neutral Countries. I've always enjoyed changing the history books by attacking those who didn't take part.

 

[[TDOD]Wit]

The Me262 was ready in 42-43, except insane Hitler wanted it to be fighter/bomber. Took back the developement and production of it by a while..

 

[Luftwafe109]

I dont think it is a good idea to have the jet fighters in the scenario...It was not a big enough impact on the war and if an impact at all it was to little to help and not to mention we're talking about very primative jet fighters not anything like the jet fighter in the game. ...maybe a different annimation of a more primative jet fighter and only one or two higher attack points than the regular fighter would work because i know that late in the war the P-51 was able to shoot down the german jet fighter sometimes so it wouldnt be very much more powerfull... But just a thought??

 

[[TDOD]Wit]

The few squadrons of Me-262's obliterated B-17 formations. They were only vulnerable when going down to land since they needed to so much time and needed to start farther away. Otherwise, they were unmatched in the skies.

 

[ant]

Just in regard to the Jap jet fighter, the germans did send a ME262 to Japan in a U-Boat....but the allies sank it.

However the Japs did have the blue prints and even made some of their own, I think they were going to use them based out of tunnels in mountains?

Anyway Interesting enough the British actually had their own Jet fighter (never flew operationally) , might be fun if the German and British both have access to Jet Fighters in 45-46.

Just my three cents worth.

 

[ant]

Hi me again.

The reason the ME262 squadron kicked the S*** out of the Allies was the Luftwaffe put quite a lot of their top pilots into the squadron "Adolf Galland" (Galland??) etc...
And also the ME262 was not overly vulnerable,
the 163 was very vulnerable ( another type of Jet Fighter) as it was made to glide into landing and dropped its wheels as soon as it took off!
Really werid.

 

[[TDOD]Wit]

That 163 was rocket propelled, not jet.

 

[Falcon02]

it glided into landing because the rocket fuel would run out, but gave it GREAT speeds while it was running. I believe the wheels fell of to assist the "glide" characteristic and Aero dynamics, anyway there was still a whell under the fuselage, it just was 1 wheel and so wasn't good for accelerating off the ground, since the plane wouldn't be level when stoped.

 

[Zouave]

The fuel also melted the pilot if it broke loose. I'm not kidding.

 

[Zouave]

The Japs also sent balloon bombs sailing across the ocean on the winds timed to crash into the Pacific Northwest and start forest fires.

A family of five once found one unexploded; they didn't know what it was, and all died. The only U.S. civilian casualties in WW II.

 

[Total_cho]

Why half of Finland belongs to Russia?
Maybe putting more towns will solve this.

 

[mdelprete]

I think the thing to keep in mind here is the strategic scope of the scenario.

In designing this, I had to keep in mind two things: the gameplay area and the limitations of the game. Some decisions, such as which Civs to include and exclude, were easy because of the editor limitations. While including tons of neutrals would be "interesting," it wouldn't lead to a WWII scenario. It's like setting up a giant board game with tons of units and details, but not being able to play it.

The same goes for cities. Some sacrifices had to be made to make the scenario playable. Within that, I wanted it to be accessible to novices too, not just hardcore WWII buffs. Not every city is on the map because not every city was important. In addition, adding more cities would have given the allies a giant advantage over the Axis.

As for the jet plane: I think that with the limitations of the Civ 3 engine, it's pretty good. Sure, we could add different jet units, but I feel that it would just get in the way of the game. In terms of historical accuracy vs. gameplay, the former is less important than the latter. It's a game and it should be played, not studied.

So, that's my rant on the matter.


Mike

 

[Propaganda]

mdel, hello.

Sorry for not keeping up with my mapping duties. I've been busy, and still don't have much time to work on it.

Fortunately, I see many other scenarios being released nowdays, with great maps, such as the Now scenario(looks good, haven't thorougly played it though). I think if you ask the creator for consent to use his map, you should be set. It is almost tailored for a scenario like this. All that needs to be done is renaming a few cities.

Again, I apologize.

 

[bigbill0126]

the point i was trying to make with the jet fighters was that even though some axis planes were propelled by jets, none of them had the defensive strength that the a/a missile armed fighters of today have, which are the ones depicted in the game.

 

[Overlag]

Originally posted by NewWaver
Might I suggest another Civ. to add to the list - Neutral Countries. I've always enjoyed changing the history books by attacking those who didn't take part.

hehehe yeah thats the first thing i did in stalin006 Eastern front mod, wiped all the Neutrals out