Scions documentation

[Tarquelne]

Thats true... but the Amurite wordspell (can't remeber what it's called) disalows spell casting, and join city is a spell...

Ooo, I'm glad you mentioned that - I'd forgotten.

 

[Iceciro]

Join City really shouldn't be tagged as a spell for any reason >_>

 

[Valkrionn]

Easy fix, though..... Just need to go into the spellinfos.xml and add in "bAbility=1".. Now that you've reminded me, I need to do that for my own version.

 

[Iceciro]

Does everyone have a custom version of Fall Further at this point?
*snicker*

Back ontopic - as a question, do the Command promotions stack with the Scion preist chances to capture Reborn, or just give another chance to capture the unit as a standard unit?

I'm sure this could be found in the code, but I don't have it open right now and I figure someone here can enlighten me.

 

[Valkrionn]

Does everyone have a custom version of Fall Further at this point?
*snicker*

Back ontopic - as a question, do the Command promotions stack with the Scion preist chances to capture Reborn, or just give another chance to capture the unit as a standard unit?

I'm sure this could be found in the code, but I don't have it open right now and I figure someone here can enlighten me.

Last time I tried it, command is completely separate. Would be nice if it boosted the chance...

 

[Tarquelne]

Been thinking about the Dark Council building....

When FiRE rolls around it'll be revamped no matter what. But until then I'm thinking of cutting back a bit to re-focus the DC:

+5 Crime Rate
-10% War Weariness Empire-wide.
+15% War Weariness of the Empire's foes.
+50% (up from 25%) Trade Route yield.

Are the things I'd keep. Maybe higher WW mods.

I'd drop:

Can be built in capital
+1 Free Merchant
+10% gold
3 Reborn

Eh?

And I suspect the AI needs a cheat: All 4 Councilors, anywhere on the map, as the req.

 

[Tarquelne]

"bAbility=1".. Now that you've reminded me, I need to do that for my own version.

I added it in time for the patch.

 

[Valkrionn]

Aside from removing the Reborn I'd be fine with the changes... Main thing I use it for lol, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. And I'm glad you got that in in time... One less thing to edit.

This has been a real pain in the ass.... printed out an old version of CvCivicsScreen.py thinking it would just get me the values for the width of the screen... Oh no, rather than change the width each individual civic group is just smaller. Had to hook up the old comp a second time, and burn it so I can just copy the damn thing over lol.

 

[Tarquelne]

This has been a real pain in the ass.... printed out an old version of CvCivicsScreen.py thinking it would just get me the values for the width of the screen

All the screen stuff is a total PITA as far as I'm concerned. The spawn rate display drove me nuts. And that's counting xienwolf doing at least half of the work. Geesh - I feel like saying "Nice knowing ya." I think that's an over-reaction, though, so I'll just say "Good luck with the civics screen."

 

[Valkrionn]

All the screen stuff is a total PITA as far as I'm concerned. The spawn rate display drove me nuts. And that's counting xienwolf doing at least half of the work. Geesh - I feel like saying "Nice knowing ya." I think that's an over-reaction, though, so I'll just say "Good luck with the civics screen."

Now that I have the old version, all I have to do is overwrite the current one. No monkeying around in there for me....

 

[Iceciro]

So, question for Tarq, because sometimes I like to play with Unrestricted Leaders and Random on...

What aspects of the Scion civilization are tied to the Leaders (Risen Emperor and Korinna) themselves as opposed to other things? Are there parts of the civilization non-Scion leaders would miss out on in this case?

 

[Valkrionn]

Temples of the Gift, Emperor's Mark, Korrina(Hero), and the Doomgiver/Sayers are tied to the Emperor's Charismatic trait. Any leader with Charismatic should have access to them.

Imperial Cenotaph, The Vacant Mausoleum, and the Emperor(Hero) are tied to Korrina's Organized trait, and any leader with Organized should have access to them.

Makes me wonder if there's a leader with Charismatic/Organized.... Might have to check and see.

 

[Iceciro]

Thanks Valk! It's cool to know that the items are tied to leader traits and not leaders.

Regarding leaders:
Firstly, Sabbathiel is Org/Cha and would be all kinds of broken as the Scion leaderhead.

You could probabaly get away with Adaptive and swap back and forth depending on what you wanted to build! 0_o Cassiel of the Scions here I come.

For maximum insanity there's also Perpentach of the Scions.

 

[Valkrionn]

Thanks Valk! It's cool to know that the items are tied to leader traits and not leaders.

There are probably a few things I missed. I don't THINK it's possible to tie things to specific leaders... Probably answers your question in the Mod-Modders thread also, as you could tie the Illian rituals to one of Auric's traits, and they'd be unbuildable by any other Illian leader.

 

[Tarquelne]

Thanks Valk! It's cool to know that the items are tied to leader traits and not leaders.

I bet I should link the Emperor's stuff to Agnostic.

Maybe I'll go over the system some time and see about making it work better with Unrestricted Leaders. I don't know when I'd get around to it, though. (A lot might depend on how difficult I think it'd be.)

IIRC the Emperor's Mark, for example, is placed by some python that looks for the specific Leader.
EDIT: "Leader" works because it's in python. BuildingInfos XML had to be Traits.

Korrina is from an event that checks for "The Gift" and the Emperor. But Trait is available.

 

[Valkrionn]

I bet I should link the Emperor's stuff to Agnostic.

Maybe I'll go over the system some time and see about making it work better with Unrestricted Leaders. I don't know when I'd get around to it, though. (A lot might depend on how difficult I think it'd be.)

IIRC the Emperor's Mark, for example, is placed by some python that looks for the specific Leader.
EDIT: "Leader" works because it's in python. BuildingInfos XML had to be Traits.

Korrina is from an event that checks for "The Gift" and the Emperor. But Trait is available.

It might well be Agnostic actually, forgot that was a trait haha. Now I'm not sure which one it was...

Edit: Yep, it's Agnostic. I goofed.

 

[Tarquelne]

Edit: Yep, it's Agnostic. I goofed.

*Shrug* Charismatic seemed completely plausible to me.

Maybe time to try Cassiel as Emperor of the Scions. Hmm... Philosophical/Industrious combined with Fallow... and Adaptive in case you get bored with all those Wonders.

 

[Iceciro]

Oddly enough, I believe Agnostic is Cassiel's CIVtrait, so sadly he won't get access to the emperor's buildings.

Next question on the list of things - I ask these here because I think Tarq may watch it a little more than the main modder's guide thread, by the way, so apologizes if I'm cluttering this one up! - Is the Scion spawn control all Python, or is it somewhere in the XML - and in either case, where? I haven't yet played with the new stuff in patch E so I don't know if I'll want to swap stuff around at some point... and I'm curious.

 

[Valkrionn]

Looks like the spawning is all python, but relatively easy to adjust. The actual calculation is on line 1311 of CustomFunctions.py, but the entire function stretches from 1167 to 1321.

 

[Iceciro]

Very much appreciate the help to a novice/noob like myself.