Seal fur banned in Belgium

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I'm happy to say that my country is the first in the world to outlaw the import of seal furs. :)
From buzzle.com

Belgium has banned the import and trade of fur from dogs, cats and seals.

The ban brings the number of EU nations that have outlawed the trade in cat and dog fur to five – Belgium now joining Italy, France, Greece and Denmark.

Belgium, however, has also taken one important step further towards animal compassion, by effectively outlawing commercial ties with Canada’s seal hunt, which is widely viewed by other nations as barbaric.

A breakthrough in banning the international trade in dog and cat fur by the European Commission was thought to have been reached in December, but there is now a debate over jurisdiction for the ban. The ban was intended to cut off access to one of the biggest markets for these furs.

More than half of the MEPs in the Brussels and Strasbourg legislature support the motion, which normally would mean the European Commission has to respond by drawing up a law. It would then be up to the Council of Ministers to enact it.

However, Commission officials refused to accept that they have powers to pass such a law, stating that it is up to member countries to do so if they choose.

A spokeswoman for Pascal Lamy, the trade commissioner, said, "We don't have community competence on this. Competence for it is in the hands of member states."

The campaign against the trade is focusing also on the dangerously high chromium levels present in the tanning dyes used to disguise the appearance of the product. Fur products may contain as much as six times the level of chromium allowed under European law - a level shown to be hazardous to human health.

Historically, most of the dog and cat furs that have been traded in Belgium have come from China, but in some cases they have been alleged to come from animals picked up on the streets in Belgium itself.

In 2003 BBC reporter Tim Franks viewed a secretly-recorded video in which a salesman showed a fur buyer two furs produced from cats picked up in the streets and cats farmed in the country in a "cat fur farm."

It is believed about two million animals each year are victims of the trade in Belgium alone.

The trade in seal skins and oils, most of which come from Canada, have provided nearly 600,000 euros a year in trade of the skins and oils.

The Belgian ban was welcomed by the animal rights organization Global Action in the Interest of Animals (GAIA). Activists from the group said that most animals killed for their furs are skinned alive and when killed first they are hanged or drowned so their fur is not damaged.

Fur from the cats and dogs is used in gloves, accessories and in toys for companion animals. During the initial phase of the ban, labels on all of these products will have to state if the product contains real fur.

© 2004 Animal News Center, Inc.

Here a less positive link:
http://www.animalrights.net/discussion/fullthread$msgnum=69586
 
I fully support the seal fur ban. Its a disgrace that in this day and age when we dont need animal fur, that we still continue killing animals and using their skins for clothing.
 
The 'less positive link' has some interesting points:

Maybe someone can tell the Belgians that a Soccer ball represents a dead animal skin. Maybe someone can tell them that the leather they wear comes from dead animal fur which happens to have the hair removed. Maybe someone should tell the belgian community that the asiatics would not like to waste the hair from the animals they kill (cats & dogs for meat) anymore then the Belgian farmer wants to waste a pig skin or a cow hide.. Maybe someone should tell the Belgians that seal populations are beginning to starve the East Coast of Canada's ecology. Oh why bother since they wouldn't be able to see their hypocrisy anyway.
 
Just a question, Dumb pothead; Do you wear leather shoes?? Do you eat meat? If so, I don't see the difference between that and using seal/cat fur for clothing. Now, the high levels of chromium might be something to be conserned about, but as long as seals are not endangered, I see no moral problem with using their fur.
 
DreadCthulhu said:
Just a question, Dumb pothead; Do you wear leather shoes?? Do you eat meat? If so, I don't see the difference between that and using seal/cat fur for clothing.
I have nothing made of leather, and yes I eat meat, but I do see a difference between that and using fur. Killing and eating animals is a part of the natural world. Things die so that others can live, its just the way the world works. Wearing fur isnt necessary, its just barbaric vanity. Think about it...ripping the skin off of another living being and wearing it, just for kicks. Sounds rather hellish doesnt it?
 
Well, you can't yet buy banana-skin shoes, but if they ever make these I promise to give them a chance :)

Man made materials suck, but this is not a property of them. Manufacturers like to use materials that will break, so you buy more shoes... capitalism! :rolleyes:
 
Why is seal fur so special? Why not any kind of fur. Because seal's look so cute, with their little black eyes? Just like cat's and dogs?

I think it's just as ok to use fur as it is to eat animals, you kill them anyway. It's hypocritical to say it's allright to eat kill and eat them and not to kill them and use their fur. Of course everyone should keep and hold their animals in a good way and not club them to dead but as long as you do that eating them or using their fur makes no difference.
 
Drunk Master said:
Why is seal fur so special? Why not any kind of fur. Because seal's look so cute, with their little black eyes?

I think it's just as ok to use fur as it is to eat animals, you kill them anyway. It's hypocritical to say it's allright to eat kill and eat them and not to kill them and use their fur. Of course everyone should keep and hold their animals in a good way and not club them to dead but as long as you do that eating them or using their fur makes no difference.
Fur is wrong period, doesnt matter if its seal,dog, cat or whatever. But really, isnt it montrous to club this little furry guy to death, so some dummy can walk around with a fur coat? Come on man, look at this little guy and tell me its ok to kill him and rip his skin off!
 

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Cute, but being cute is not an excuse to get further in life. Pigs & cows think too!
 
This picture has convinced me Pothead- Look at his little eyes. Couchie Couchie :love:

Luckely they are a lot uglier when they are five years older, so killing them then is no big deal.;)

I think it's monstrous to club any animal to dead doesn't matter if he looks cute and fury or not. But I think it's a little hypocritical to worry about a few furry friends being clubbed when the meat industry in Belgium kills millions of animals a day, and those animals didn't really have a nice live to begin with either.
 
we are one step closer to stop killing baby seals

score 1 for belgium

now if we could somehow stop killing human babies,that would be great!
 
Dumb pothead said:
Come on man, look at this little guy and tell me its ok to kill him and rip his skin off!

It is perfectly okay to kill that seal and rip his skin off to wear. I don't see how using animal skin for clothing is morally any different than eating animals. And dang it Dumb pothead, that picture is making me hungry for some baby seal patties. :p
 
Drunk Master said:
Why is seal fur so special? Why not any kind of fur. Because seal's look so cute, with their little black eyes? Just like cat's and dogs?

I think it's just as ok to use fur as it is to eat animals, you kill them anyway. It's hypocritical to say it's allright to eat kill and eat them and not to kill them and use their fur. QUOTE]

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People shouldn't be wearing any fur, from seal to mink..
And btw if you dont eat you die , theirs the difference unless you like the taste your clothes!.
 
bholed said:
People shouldn't be wearing any fur, from seal to mink..
And btw if you dont eat you die , theirs the difference unless you like the taste your clothes!.

But you don't have to eat meat, you can also eat vegetables or fruit. But we choose to eat meat and therfore we kill loads and loads of animals. Ten's of millions a day in Europe alone. We kill them in an industrial way, as efficient as possible. We slaugter them, cut them in pieces and eat them.

As long as we are doing that I don't think the few animals we kill for fur really make any difference. But since they are cute, it's wrong. I think that's hypocritical.
 
Bah, we don't need it. Anyone foolish enough to wear fur at 45c will punish himself more than the goverment ever could...

BTW Drunk Master - you're absolutly right. Killing animals for fur and killing them for meat is exactly the same from a moral point of view.
 
And as has been pointed out - it's not like we're talking about extinction or anything remotely the same. We're talking about controling a dangerously overlarge population of animal which are big players (perhaps not as big as human, but big still) in the ongoing disappearance of the cod population in Canadian waters.

As far as I'm concerned, the whole "Seal Hunt" deal is just what rabid ecologists and other people starved for public love are using, banking on the cuteness of the animals to sell their point to the general public to raise their popularity. Seal hunt is no ecological threat, and in fact it helps keep one such threat at bay by balancing the population number (which is perfectly natural : when one species become more populous, that specie's predator also grows, thus keeping them in check. In this case, it would appear human are the primary predators of those seals).

And of course, since most people can't help but fall for the Pikachu factor ("Oh! It's so cute! Lovely lovely lovely lovely!", the attention-grabbers get exactly what they want.

Disgusting.
 
Oda Nobunaga said:
And as has been pointed out - it's not like we're talking about extinction or anything remotely the same. We're talking about controling a dangerously overlarge population of animal which are big players (perhaps not as big as human, but big still) in the ongoing disappearance of the cod population in Canadian waters.
Oh yeah, I dont know how Mother Nature struggled along for millions of years without us to control seal population:rolleyes: You seriously blame seals for the collapse in cod population? Thats not just ill informed, its insane. Humans are the ones with the dangerously high population, not seals. Thanks to us, and most definitely not seals, cod will probably be extinct in the wild within the nest 50 years.
 
It makes me want to go out and buy a fur coat because my nation is...err...progressive enough to give me the freedom to buy it.
 
If the seals' existance is endangered, I see no problem with it, but if they are an abundant resource, I think this is just limiting people's freedoms more now than ever.
 
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