Sengir03 - The Orwellian State

happyturtle · Sep 30, 2010

We'll have to switch to State Property after we start taking cities in Africa. So I'd rather not spend the Great People to found corporations we aren't going to stick with.

Brian Shanahan · Sep 30, 2010

Well considering that our goal can be best summed thus:
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever", and we have to do it everywhere SP is simply imperative.

IPEX-731BA5DD06 · Oct 1, 2010

Oh yeah, on our Variant, you may want to switch from researching Assembly line, otherwise we'll hit the industrial age,and have to declare on Zara, way way before we're even close to being ready.

Looks like he's missed Railroad, but gone straight to Assembly line/ Fascism line.

Switch to Rail road, get those Tracks built, and Destroyers enabled with combustion. Great Engineer, probably save for a golden age with another GP's.

Brian Shanahan · Oct 1, 2010

Ok I have a plan (a lot of it is long-term)
1) Wipe out SB, reduce US to 1 city (easy peasy)
2) I'll whip the gran in P.Point (very short term)
3) Tech: AL>RR>Combus>Phys>Flight>Indust.
4) Rename Sippar to Drafters (reminder).
5) Focus on infra, i.e. banks etc in commerce, forges etc. in prod, then go for massive military build-up.
6) We are not going to win this game by any means other than the giant clunking fist, which means massed Sirian Doctrine, probably at multiple points and just overwhelming numbers.
7) With time victroy enabled, we'll not do conquest in time I feel.

Edit: The game is telling us we're in the Industrial Age. I'm thinking we should stay permanently at war with a 2 city US until we're ready for Zara in true MiniPax style. Fool the proles, with a false enemy, fool the enemy with a false bogging down.

Brian Shanahan · Oct 3, 2010

OK I've played 10 turns, not really too much done, a lot of infrastructure up, some drafting done, wiped out SB and Washy. The report is as follows:
Auto log start turn missing:

Spoiler :

My report:
Turn 365
Bit of Manoeuvering

Turn 366
I find Edison (GEng) and use him to part build the SoL:

Spoiler :

Chaco Canyon Assault:
C1 Cover Rifle beats L'bow 5 str
C1 Rifle beats L'bow 0.6 str
Drafters Globe>Library and draft
Washington Spy>Int Agency
Zara declares war :eek:

:

Spoiler :

Turn 367
Seoul Spy>Galleon
NY Spy>Drydock
Chaco redux:
Canon w'drsaws mace mace 1.6str
C1 rifle beats Mace
Keep Chaco Canyon, start Chouse.

Spoiler :

Mesa Verde Assault:
All 4 cannons succesfully withsdraw
Mace beats L'bow
X-bow beats L'bow

Turn 368
Babylon Gorcer>Garden
Mesa redux:
CR3 Mace beats Sword
CR2 Mace beats Sword:

Spoiler :

<unperson>Sitting Bull</ref unperson>
Draft rifle in Drafters
Research to 30% culture to 10%

Turn 369
Zara Captures Philly
Nidaros Spy>galleon

Turn 370
Dur Jail>Bank
HE Jail>Frigate
Birka Spy>Galleon
Shushans Chouse>Harbour
Nampo Jail>Budd Temp
Hyangsan Bank>Theatre
Soeul Galleon>X-Bow
Draft in Ulsan and Drafters

Turn 371
Atlanta Assault
Cannon withdraws from pike
CR2 Mace beats Pike
C2 Mace beats Pike
Keep Atlanta, queue Chouse:

Spoiler :

<unperson>Washington</refunperson>
Decide not to declare for the moment

Tunr 372
Babylon Garden>Levee
HE Frigate>Cavalry
NY Drydock>Galleon
P. Point Granary>Int Agency (has Scot yard)
Draft in Drafters Babylon and HE cities.
Research to 20%

Turn 373
Pyongyan Bank>Jail
Seoul X-Bow>Settler
Hyangsan Theatre>Jail
Boston Theatre>FPalace
Draft in Borsippa, Drafters, Washington

Turn 374
Nampo' Budd Temp>Bank
Cahokia Theatre>Library
Research @ 80% to get ALine (due turn 376)

Turn 375
Nidaros Galleon>Galleon
Drafters Library>Jail
Wonsan Gorcer>Levee.

I'm leaving off here with ten turns, mainly due to the fact that it is getting a bit tedious to do more at this stage of our development.

Thoughts For Inner Party Members only

Spoiler :

happyturtle · Oct 3, 2010

We could always go for the time win, with everlasting war going on. Seems kind of fitting...

IPEX-731BA5DD06 · Oct 4, 2010

Sengir said:
With Izzy's cultural victory near, I think it's time for me to run another SG, one that's been brewing for some time now:

The Orwellian State
Variant rules:
- We cannot declare upon AI's not on our continent, nor take cities not on our continent untill we have both conquered our continent completely, as well as have reached the industrial age.
- Upon fullfilling both requirements we are to declare immediately upon one of the other continents, and must stay at war with at least one of them for the remainder of the game.
- Other Orwellian game elements are encouraged (Police State and such).

- Difficulty: Emperor
- Map size: Standard
- Speed: Epic
- Leader: Hammi

Starting position:

Spoiler :

Roster:
1) nocho
2) happyturtle
3) IPEX-731BA5DD06
4) Whosit (skip until 17th of August)
5) Brian Shanahan
6) Norvin Green
7) Sengir

Save:

Blah Blah, Spies in every city has been added as a pre requisite BEFORE we can send them out.

IMMEDIATELY DECLARE WAR, :think:

, we've failed already, but the Manta is "We've always been at war, and have never NOT been at war with the other continents."

Note Zara has Oil, is trading it to the Eurasian, and we've got wooden ships... :cry:

Maybe change it to 'MODERN ERA', might fit better.

Brian Shanahan · Oct 4, 2010

IPEX-731BA5DD06 said:
Blah Blah, Spies in every city has been added as a pre requisite BEFORE we can send them out.

IMMEDIATELY DECLARE WAR, , we've failed already, but the Manta is "We've always been at war, and have never NOT been at war with the other continents."

Note Zara has Oil, is trading it to the Eurasian, and we've got wooden ships...

Maybe change it to 'MODERN ERA', might fit better.

Well the overriding rule I believe is to play in a way most befitting BB, and I think that is what I did by bravely cowering in my own continent after removing the two unpersons.
Frankly with the AI so far ahead in tech we'll need a steel navy at the least before we can declare war without losing.

Whosit · Oct 4, 2010

Brian Shanahan said:
Well the overriding rule I believe is to play in a way most befitting BB, and I think that is what I did by bravely cowering in my own continent after removing the two unpersons.
Frankly with the AI so far ahead in tech we'll need a steel navy at the least before we can declare war without losing.

Pfff. Playing to win? That has no place in a SG! We'll declare war and they'll like it! So what if we are conquered? We'll kill them all first!!

Also, Time Win might actually be most appropriate. Good idea, happyturtle.

Sengir · Oct 4, 2010

We are at war already, we only have to decide with whom

We're going to declare first thing coming turnset, even if it kills us. And I don't care which way we win (or lose): time sounds great (it's going to take a while though).

I think Norvin is up.

Norvin_Green · Oct 5, 2010

Sorry, lost track of this. Got it. PPP to follow shortly.

Norvin_Green · Oct 7, 2010

#1) per our variant I will declare war. I think from what I remember that our east coast is less reliant on seafood so it would seem to make sense to declare on Zara. I would try to send out our weak navy to try to figure out where he might attack. Move our stack to the Nidaros area. If he attacks one of the weaker cities perhaps just let him take it and then hit him hard when he tries to march on from there.

#2) switch to SP. It will save us about 100 :gold:

each turn

#3) stop building galleons

#4) tech Assembly Line then beeline Computers for the Internet (it would seem to be the type of thing that Big Brother would approve). This would mean RR>Combustion are next which would help out our naval units.

#5) build wealth in all cities other than those few that are actually providing science/gold to our cause and those designated for troop/naval production.

Brian Shanahan · Oct 7, 2010

Norvin_Green said:
#5) build wealth in all cities other than those few that are actually providing science/gold to our cause and those designated for troop/naval production.

I'd say that's pretty much all cities that are useful to us.

Whosit · Oct 7, 2010

That is probably a sound course of action.

And we still have to build a ton of spies. :mischief:

I don't think any of us have done our duty on that front.

Brian Shanahan · Oct 7, 2010

Whosit said:
That is probably a sound course of action.

And we still have to build a ton of spies. I don't think any of us have done our duty on that front.

What?!? we built tons of super-duper hyper-invisible spies during the game. They're so good that they are invisible from all except Big Brother himself.

happyturtle · Oct 7, 2010

We kept having to execute them for treason.

Norvin_Green · Oct 8, 2010

1730 a.d. Turn 375

After much hemming and hawing, procrastinating, stalling, what have you, I started this set. I worked up a spreadsheet looking at % science, gold and hammer contribution to our large but backward empire. Most cities are contributing less than 2% toward science and gold. They were set to wealth (unless near finished completing a building). Adjusted our science rate to 90% allowing us to complete Assembly line in 1 turn. Declared on Zara/Mehmed (which dealt a nasty hit to our trade revenue btw) and hit enter.

Spreadsheet:

Spoiler :

1732 a.d. Turn 376

HE starts an infantryman. Zara sends some of his powerful navy to our western shores. I spy a farmed tile between Birka and Nidaros that isn’t being worked so our workers head there to build a fort for a canal from east to west. Go to the civics screen and make the following swap.

Spoiler :

It was 3 turns of revolution either way so I tacked Theology on for extra xp’s for our troops.

1748 a.d. Turn 384

Akkad completes the SoL:

1752 a.d. Turn 386

Our dormant workers spring to life rr'ing tiles that will provide our troops mobility first. We can go back later to those mined hills.

1760 a.d. Turn 390

Zara landed troops near Mound City. I retreated our sole x-bow and then laid some cannons backed up by knights into him the next turn to retake city (not sure why really – we should rename it Ice Mound City) He has 2 units nearby. Mostly he has just been sending his destroyers and bombarding various cities along the coast. I have a galleon transporting spies built by N’ampo set up. Trying to adhere to the variant and all. I’ve had to bump the :culture:

rate up to 20% to keep most cities happy.

Sengir · Oct 8, 2010

Looks decent enough, got it; will play sometime this weekend.

Sengir · Oct 10, 2010

Turn 0:
Micro the cities, run the correct specialist in the correct cities (no engineers in cities building wealth; scientists if there are more science multipliers; merchants in case of gold multipliers); move slider to 90%, only one unhappy face as a result. Have the city build a barracks to get happy by seeing people march around.

I check and find we have 1 oil connected by fort. That's good, as combustion will be in next turn and I want a navy.

Turn 1:
Knight got killed IBT
Combustion in, set tech to bio, I want the extra farm output for specialists.

We've build a settler, but I've got no clue what to do with it... gift city for stealing purposes?? I'll wait until I've got more spies.

Kill a marine and an infantry
Send two cannons to their untimely deads, kill another infantry (cost me a knight though), the rest will be for next turn.

Turn down science to upgrade some frigates, I want some firepower fast.

Turn 2:
Kill remaining troops on the contintent

Upgrade 1 frigate

Turn 3:
Upgrade 2 more frigates
Turn science back up

Turn 4:
First destroyer sinks to the bottom of the ocean, he does some damage though.
Second cleans up the destroyer, use two frigates to kill a zara frigate as well.
Third destroyer has to wait a bit to get better odds.

Turn 5:
Build railroads, move units,

Turn 6:
More of the same

Turn 7:
Destroyer healed, kill a destroyer and a frigate; newly build destroyer on the east side kills a destroyer as well. On the east side we only have a frigate threatening us; west there's a destroyer and a frigate. I'm going to build a complete flotilla and put Zara under guard (hopefully).

Turn 8:
Bio in and FP done

Micro the cities again; Set tech to physics

Turn 9:
Lose a destroyer but finish of the last of Zara's oil fleet in the west. Kill a frigate as well, only 1 frigate left on both sides.

Renogatiate trades with Darius

Turn 10:
Nothing

Turn 11:
IBT Zara suicides a frigate
Kill Mehmeds anoying frigate as well. Seas are clean, let's claim them

Turn 12
Physics in, set research to Arty
We get a free (well, it cost 412g) MilAcad in Seoul
Sent a group of three destroyers to return the favor to Zara; another group will be ready next turn.

I built a bunch of canals, to have more freedom regarding our ships.
We also have a GE sleeping in Seoul.
And a settler as well. We still need a bunch more spies for our own cities, then we can start working on foreign service.

Brian Shanahan · Oct 10, 2010

Sengir you never mentioned in your report how we became Egyptian, and why we're now running an OCC. Bad form, old bean, bad form.

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