SerfNES II - Legacy of Versailles

[Head Serf]

Yes, he can start a Communist movement. No, it will have very little support until the Bolsheviks win, IF they win.

 

[DarthNader]

However, if he wants to start a communist movement now, he can.

That is my intention, and if it does not succeed, I will take Nationalist China.

 

[DarthNader]

From: The Communist Party of China
To: Bolshevik Russia

We wish you well on your campaign to spread the wonder of Communism throughout Russia. We also wish to help Asia transform by starting a revolution here in China. We understand that breaking the backs of the White Russians will be difficult, but we give you full support. In return, we would like to be backed by your already successful party in our own revolution (we will need much help since we are so small). Take your time on your decision, we understand you are under much pressure.

Li Dazhao

OOC: Yes, the party was founded in 1921, but it could have been founded in 1919...JUST HUMOR ME HERE!!!!

 

[Abaddon]

OOC: HS.. how do you want to deal with this? In effect the White's should be soundly defeated in update one, if they do not we will be launched into a very different world.

If you are trying to focus' on a NES were the Versailles is different, allowing this butterfly affect will render Versailles insignificant.

Do you want a NES where the entire of Asia spins off into another direction from the word go?

I suggest a little bit of mod control to ensure things stick historically accurate unless considerable reason to change, and in this cause, unless there is LOTS of OOC actions, White Russia will fall as in RL... its not like it was a close run thing, the collapse was pretty rapid and brutal, with little if any flickers of counter revolution...

 

[Head Serf]

Well, yes, White Russia will almost surely lose, unless you jump off the deep end and botch up the war.

 

[Head Serf]

Well, yes, White Russia will almost surely lose, unless you jump off the deep end and botch up the war.

 

[Abaddon]

So is the new guy wanting to start a Communist China:

Beiyang China
Economy (Base/Trade) : (3/1) = 4 Total
Military : 15 Div, 3 Conv
Color : Green

or

Nationalist China
Economy (Base/Trade) : (4/1) = 5 Total
Military : 22 Div, 4 Conv
Color : Pink

Or something different again?

 

[Head Serf]

He's a movement, not yet a country. He'll need to send orders, to show me what he wants to do, but it will be much more unorthodox. He won't have EP, but he'll find out how much public support he has through each update. Eventually, he may gain land and become a country himself.

EDIT: And I'm also changing some of the stats slightly for the pre-update. Nothing major though.

 

[DarthNader]

So is the new guy wanting to start a Communist China.

Hey c'mon. I have a name you know.
Yes, I am starting a communist revolution in China at the non-historic point.

 

[DarthNader]

Oh and to answer your question Abaddon, Beiyang China.

 

[Abaddon]

Ok, is DarthIVader a nation I can interact with yet, or should I just let him get on with it




Welcome to NESing btw, I wasn't trying to be harsh, just lazy

 

[Abaddon]

Oh and to answer your question Abaddon, Beiyang China.

Expect a PM from me pronto!

 

[DarthNader]

Ok, is DarthIVader a nation I can interact with yet, or should I just let him get on with it




Welcome to NESing btw, I wasn't trying to be harsh, just lazy

First of all, not to be disrespectful, its DarthNader. Second, this is my second NES.

 

[Abaddon]

Ferrymuff.

 

[Head Serf]

Uhhh, I hope you aren't getting Beiyang China confused with Communist China. Beiyang China is a Warlord-led nation in conflict with Nationalist China. The Communists could, however, be a movement WITHIN Beiyang China. I hope I'm not being too confusing.

 

[Dachs]

EDIT: And I'm also changing some of the stats slightly for the pre-update. Nothing major though.

Yeah, my army seems to be a bit small - 3 divisions doesn't mesh well with the 150,000 men we mobilized in 1915, since 50,000 men seems a bit many for a division.

Also, with regards to the White Russians: their collapse is by no means guaranteed until late 1919, which seems to be about a year off (and while I'm not entirely sure how far the next update will take us, or even what we need to do for it, late 1919 seems a bit far to go for a treaty update, especially since the Allies finished OTL Versailles in less time than that), and that's assuming that Shadowbound doesn't do something idiotic when he drops troops into the Ukraine like he said he would do to support the Whites. Also, I'd like to commend to Luckymoose's (UK's) view the Yudenich Offensive from the Baltic States: this is a great White attack to support, since it will stand a great chance of seizing St. Petersburg, plus is within naval support range. Woohoo kill the Bolshies!

 

[Head Serf]

The military numbers are more meant to be relative, and not so much accurate according to division sizes.

 

[Abaddon]

Oh shuush you

Isn't it a bit OOC using history that hasn't happened yet for planning?

 

[Dachs]

Oh shuush you

Isn't it a bit OOC using history that hasn't happened yet for planning?

The entire comment was OOC. And isn't saying "the entire White army should be gone soon!1111!1 I cans conduct diplomacies with western powerz" a little OOC as well?

 

[Abaddon]

Oh take the goalposts and move them a mile why dont you!

I said USING would be OOC.. I knew full well your comments were OOC.

Also, I never said anything like the above and resent the idea I would fit within that style