SG Lurkers, ready?

[Luv_Muffin]

Lurker commentary (If you dont mind, of course):
Would someone mind posting up the latest save file so I can take a gander? Thanks and Cheers!

I believe Scowler has posted his gamesave. If you want to play around, feel free. Just no spoilers for us here please. You know how it is. (I don't read the back page of a book first either) Ha ha.

Of course Lurker commentary is welcome here! This is THE lurker SG!
Make yourself at home, a big warm welcome from your's truly, and thanks for taking an interest in our game. It is nice to meet another person who is following our progress.
*it has a lot of twists and turns so far, huh?

Oh, and if you keep agreeing with me, then we are sure to be great friends!
Heh heh. (I tend to think people who say I am right a lot are brilliant!)
*Laughing hard at my own joke (again)

 

[Luv_Muffin]

22 pages, 420 replies, 8,187 views!
This is a large thread.

I really hope we can win it for our fans.

 

[Luv_Muffin]

Scowler, you're screenshots are pretty. Are you using the Blue Marble mod?

And does anyone know if that mod to copy the game log to notepad works with the new patch? (So I can keep track of who lives and dies etc...)?

Just had an idea, maybe Hank "the hero" can be moved to one of our new cities. He has city defense III now, and is deadly. I think Walata is more secure now, so we can leave it protected by one less city defense III rifleman, and replace it with a brand new one if our veteran is on our front lines.

*Next tech to research? Assembly line? When will we get Marines (MG killers)?

 

[Percinho]

Great turn Scowler! Good choice to take it stright to Nappy.

I'm not going to be able to play tonight, and it's only a possible for tomorrow. On that basis, and the fact that Sir_T is up next and must be itchingto get back into thea ction, I'll quite happily skip to allow things to keep going. This game is really moving at the moment, and I'd hate to stall it for all.

Cheers,

Perce.

 

[Luv_Muffin]

After looking at where we are, here's some ideas for the SG to consider.

* switching civics:
- increase research (from 12 to under 10 for physics with just about any change)
- better relations with almost all civs
- more money, more culture, solves our unhappiness problems.
I tried so many variations. Can somebody with more knowledge take a look and find a combination that works best for us considering our lagging research, money woes and need for culture?
- loss of extra promotions can be earned back by counterattack their wounded units, and long term we'll get infantry soon (industrialism) or even trade for railroads with someone (machinegunners).
- even if our losses go up a bit, we rule in production.

* Gao is due to build a great artist very soon (69% chance). I think we should send him to Tokyo, fast! Tokyo is in trouble of getting flipped if we can't get it pushing back borders soon. Also, buy that library when we can afford it.

* we have a rifleman/pikeman duo gaurding the stone resource near Kumbi still. We can move at least one of these units to where they are needed.

* get our engineer at Walata into the fields. City will grow next turn, and that extra pop can then be an engineer if it makes a difference. Otherwise, keep that city growing. Same with Timbuktu. Djenne should be growing, once Nappy attacks and dies assaulting Walata or Djenne.

Monty has a wounded cav outside walata. Kill it, and heal in walata again.

Nappy's cities:
Paris. Riflemen and Machinegunners. We can't steal it anymore, put on list of things to do later on.
Marseilles & Orleans (especially Orleans) can be taken.
Marseilles - 3 riflemen, Orleans - 3 riflemen and a great prophet.
Chartres - 3 riflemen

Nappy has one cavalry heading towards Kushans. Angle should be sending more troops to Kushans (and then grens would be nice too, if we can)

Nappy has 3 cav, 1 cannon, 1 rifleman, 1 gren coming towards Djenne/walata. Let them attack and die. Wipe out the wounded, and then take Orleans or Marseilles. *Just an opinion, see how it all works out.

* HC is willing to sell us ivory! We have lots of resources we can trade for it.

* Toku is willing to stop trading with Monty and Nappy. We'' have to give him a tech to do it though. Is that smart? (rice for pigs trade with Nappy, Toku only has open borders with Monty)

I wonder if Toku, or anyone for that matter, would join us in the war? Hmmmm... would be easier to make a pact with a civ who has gone to war with us (on our team, not against us)

 

[Liquidated]

so sir T swap turns with the P man? come come sir toma... just think of monty and nappy as barbs!

Cheers!
-Liq

 

[temmage]

@Luv_Muffin: I could have swear I've seen your handle posting in another forum! Egosoft forums? Elder scrolls forum? Rome Total War? Just curious.

I believe Scowler has posted his gamesave. If you want to play around, feel free. Just no spoilers for us here please. You know how it is. (I don't read the back page of a book first either) Ha ha.

Of course! In fact, I'm not spoiling it for myself either. I only look at the savegame to access the current situation.

SG's are highly stressful. There should be a warning sticky thread about that.

Yup! And I'm not even playing the game. This is almost like a Tom Clancy novel; I can't wait to see how things turn out.


I would like to throw out a few thoughts and see if anyone has already taken this into consideration:

-I agree that Orleans is a feasible target. According to the F8 info screen, Orleans contains the Hanging Gardens which, among other things, give +1 health to all cities. This could be potentially damaging to Nappy's empire. However, one has to consider the fact that its right in the middle of Nappy's empire and that the city will be surrounded on all sides if it was captured.

-An alliance with Saladin would be great but he considers the Mali empire heathen.

-I might have glossed over something but why are you guys researching physics? Wouldnt Assembly line be a better choice? You could temporary sue for peace while outfitting your cities with factories and then return with a vengeance!

-If you do decide to hit Orleans, I think having Toku end trade with Nappy would be a good idea. The lost of the sheep (+1 health) and the Hanging Gardens (+1 health) might be a significant enough hit to stunt his growth in the short run.

 

[Luv_Muffin]

@Luv_Muffin: I could have swear I've seen your handle posting in another forum! Egosoft forums? Elder scrolls forum? Rome Total War? Just curious.

Egosoft? X3 baby! Heh heh. Is that where you see me?
I do have Rome:TW, never got the expansion (was on my santa list, but santa was good to me this year anyway, so no regrets)

Besides Civ 4, I mostly play CoD2 (tactical realism is where it's at)

As for Orleans, that does it. I want that sucker!
Mostly wanted it just to kill Nappys prophet, but if we get his wonder..., end of story. Take it! (middle of his empire at that point is not a problem, we will have taken his #2 city, Orleans, and his #3 city is already in our hands)

Go after him, Sir T!

And in the SG rules, we cannot declare war ourselves... so if we make peace, the AI would be mad to declare war on us. We will be bigger and stronger than most other civs. (unless they do an alliance against us, which is what we are almost dealing with now)

If we ever capture Monty's holy city, we could even spam budhist missionaries, and convert our empire to budhism. We would get all the budhist money, and everyone would love us!

* as for researching Physics, it was a good idea at the time?
(if nobody had it, we would get a free great person I think)
If we do get it, we can always trade it for something, (railway, biology?)
We aren't that bad off, techwise. Some civs have not discovered steam power, toku is falling behind in tech too. I think we are three techs up on him now.

 

[temmage]

Egosoft? X3 baby! Heh heh. Is that where you see me?
I do have Rome:TW, never got the expansion (was on my santa list, but santa was good to me this year anyway, so no regrets)

Ah, so it was Egosoft forums! Maybe we should do X3-theme succession game next round. We could be the Khaak and go always war!

I forgot to mention the tech lead. There is none now, I think. According to the foreign advisor tech trade screen, Nappy, HC, Alex, and Saladin already have physics. Three civs have Communism and four civs have Bio.

 

[Sir Toma]

Okay guys i'll get the save and play a bit later this afternoon. (I only just got up .)

My aims for the turn:
Capture a city from Nappy
Sign peace with Monte
Get our research going
Try to get us an ally (probably not going to happen)

Just a side comment, after we win this game (which i'm sure we will) are we going to have a Lurker's III? It could be cool and a bit different if we actually make it a peaceful game? Just a suggestion.

 

[Sir Toma]

I've played my turns.
Here's what happened.
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Turn 1 (1756 AD)
User comment: I saved us 27 gpt in exchange for 1 extra starting promotion
Angle finishes: Cavalry
Marooned's borders expand

Turn 414 (1758 AD)
Angle begins: Cannon
Cavalry loses to: French Cavalry (2.10/15)
Rifleman promoted: Combat I
Rifleman defeats (14.00/14): French Cavalry
Timbuktu grows: 17
Djenne finishes: Cavalry
Marooned grows: 7
Rifleman defeats (11.90/14): French Grenadier

Turn 2 (1760 AD)
Djenne begins: Cavalry
Djenne begins: Rifleman
Timbuktu finishes: Cavalry
Marooned finishes: Cavalry
Rifleman defeats (7.28/14): French Artillery
Rifleman defeats (3.64/14): French Cavalry
Cavalry defeats (12.00/15): French Cavalry
Rifleman loses to: French Cavalry (15.00/15)
Cavalry defeats (6.30/15): French Rifleman

Turn 3 (1762 AD)
Timbuktu begins: Cavalry
Marooned begins: Cannon
Cavalry defeats (6.45/15): French Cavalry
Cavalry defeats (15.00/15): French Cavalry
Gao finishes: Cavalry
Shaggy finishes: Cavalry
Walata finishes: Cavalry
Kushans finishes: Cavalry

Turn 4 (1764 AD)
Gao begins: Grenadier
Shaggy begins: Rifleman
Walata begins: Rifleman
Kushans begins: Rifleman
Cannon promoted: City Raider I
Cannon promoted: Accuracy
Cannon promoted: City Raider I
Cannon promoted: Barrage I
Cavalry promoted: Medic II
Djenne finishes: Rifleman
Nagasaki finishes: Cavalry
Cavalry loses to: French Rifleman (8.68/14)

Turn 5 (1766 AD)
Djenne begins: Cavalry
Nagasaki begins: Grenadier
Rifleman promoted: City Garrison I
Cannon loses to: French Rifleman (12.04/14)
Cannon loses to: French Rifleman (8.12/14)
User comment: Attack on Marseilles!
Grenadier defeats (5.88/12): French Rifleman
Grenadier defeats (4.08/12): French Rifleman
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Cavalry promoted: Pinch
Rifleman defeats (11.34/14): French Rifleman
Cavalry defeats (1.50/15): French Rifleman
Hinduism has spread: Marseilles (French Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Marseilles
Buddhism has spread: Marseilles
Captured Marseilles (Napoleon)
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
User comment: End attack on Marseilles
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Kumbi Saleh finishes: Cavalry
Angle finishes: Cannon
Cavalry loses to: French Rifleman (2.10/14)

Turn 6 (1768 AD)
Kumbi Saleh begins: Cannon
Angle begins: Grenadier
Cavalry promoted: Combat III
Grenadier promoted: Medic I
Cavalry promoted: Combat II
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Djenne finishes: Cavalry

Turn 7 (1770 AD)
Djenne begins: Rifleman
Cavalry promoted: Combat I
Gao grows: 18
Gao finishes: Grenadier
Besancon's borders expand
Cavalry defeats (12.00/15): French Cavalry

Turn 8 (1772 AD)
Gao begins: Cannon
Djenne finishes: Rifleman
Kushans finishes: Rifleman
Grenadier defeats (5.16/12): French Rifleman

Turn 9 (1774 AD)
Djenne begins: Grenadier
Kushans begins: Grenadier
Rheims begins: Rifleman
Rifleman defeats (4.48/14): French Cavalry
Rifleman defeats (3.92/14): French Cavalry


I'll post a summary and some screenies as well as the save later tonight (aussie time)

 

[Luv_Muffin]

Captured Marseilles

Heh Heh...

Nice work, Sir Toma! (Very) glad to have a chap like you handy when there is some dirty work to be done!
Sir Toma is like our Lurker hitman!
See what happens to snitches and backstabbers, Nappy?

EDIT: now we're waiting to see if Percinho able to play today/tomorrow, if not then BlackLuck gets a kick at Monty?
BlackLuck, DO NOT sign any peace treaties unless Djenne is burning and there are catapults and an army of orcs/cave trolls at the gates of timbuktu. Er, whatever... you get my meaning.
I think we have Nappy on his heels now but still not out of it.

BlackLuck or Percinho can give him the knockout punch, and from then on we just annex his entire empire. That'll teach the backstabber a lesson. (remember all that culture he had, it will all be ours soon). We won't even need many Hindu missionaries in his cities. This can work out real good for us. I wonder how Orleans or Paris is looking now?

 

[Liquidated]

sirT look out!!!!! a barb!!!!!!!

hmmm that reminds me of a new pep jpg....


Cheers!
-Liq

 

[Luv_Muffin]

Sir Toma,

I think we also need a savegame for the next player too.

 

[Sir Toma]

Okay here are some screenies and a turn summary.

I managed to save us some money by changing civics as wellas getting us some new friends by switching to free religion which made Huanya Capac and Saladin (i think) pleased with us. I would have signed a defensive pact but i cant cause were at war. I also made peace with monte.

On the war front i managed to kick out nappy's pillagers as well as take Marseilles and i currently have an army approaching Orleans. Nappy has landed some troops in the south however so beware (see accompanying screenies). I also rebuilt some of the things Nappy pillaged and got a few of our cities out of starvation.

Overall our empire is on an entirely war footing with only 1 city not producing a miliatary unit. I suggest that we take a couple more of Nappy's cities before he can recover and then make peace as war weariness is starting to creep in as well.

Now, Here's what you've all been waiting for...SCREENIES!!!
The 2nd Battle of Beascon (We kicked ass)

The Grand army prepares to take Marseilles

ATTACK!

Scumy French

Our score

 

[Sir Toma]

i can't upload the save because it says that the save is too big. How do i get it to upload? Please help your war hero as he struggles against the might of file size restrictions

 

[Liquidated]

the muf said...

I'm having troubles uploading the savegame.


Message I recieve:

Quote:
Lurker II AD-1736.Civ4SavedGame:
Your file of 505.1 KB bytes exceeds the forum's limit of 500.0 KB for this filetype.

Any ideas?

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10....Civ4SavedGame
I think I got it.

Hey liq, is there any part of this forum you haven't been to?
I think I found my answer from a question you asked on a different part of this forum. Too funny! ha ha ha
__________________
SG Battle Honors.

Lurkers * Lurkers II

sheesh that was on page 524 third column 3202 posts down.

sirT how come you missed it!!! You are too good for us huh mr bigshot Sir "what barbs? I thought those were part of my fan club!" T.



Cheers!
-Liq

 

[Scowler]

Well done, Sir T. Good to have Marseilles at last.

BTW, Saladin has just had a Golden Age, which is why he is catching up to us in scoring.

Just a side comment, after we win this game (which i'm sure we will) are we going to have a Lurker's III? It could be cool and a bit different if we actually make it a peaceful game? Just a suggestion.

Some kind of culture challenge might be fun?

Scowler, you're screenshots are pretty. Are you using the Blue Marble mod?

Actually no, I'm not. From the look of it, Sir T is the one who is using BM. I think it is wonderful, but my feeble eyes find it difficult to tell the difference between plains and grasslands in this mod. For my screens, I suspect the Irfanview resize and sharpen tools bring out some extra details in the landscape textures (plus I have Civ set up to save in BMP; I do a batch conversion to JPG after I have finished all the editing).

 

[Sir Toma]

THE SAVE

I think thats it

 

[Liquidated]

omg WTH muf? is that a green smilie kicking a yellow smilie in the um smilies?

where the holy flaming hell do do find all these fantastically esoteric smilies? Liq so wants in on that stash!!!

oh all kidding aside good to see ya back sir T, and a kick ass round to boot!

that monty sues for peace just boggles me... he takes all that effort to bribe nappy to attack us then slacks off and watches his buddy get his ass kicked up down left right and the other way.

let me look at the save to see what all driveways Liq gets to wash the blood from when I'm back up and which lawns need trimming the most. Fully expect us to be at peace when I come up and well the muffster knows what to expect from Liq's infra-struck-sure runs!

hey muf only one other neighbor hasn;t attacked us, who could that be?

Cheers!
-Liq