SG Lurkers, ready?

[Sir Toma]

Well i played and got alot done towards our economy AND didn't get into any wars (I know, it's amazing isn't it).

Here we go
Turn 1 (1872 AD)
Infantry promoted: City Garrison I
Infantry promoted: City Garrison II
Timbuktu finishes: Colosseum
Djenne finishes: Hindu Mandir
Gao finishes: Bank
Walata grows: 17
Kushiku finishes: Factory
I decided to upgrade our defencive military near the Aztec boarder. No sneaky attack from that direction.
I also noticed this while looking around the map

Turn 2 (1873 AD)
Timbuktu begins: Courthouse
Djenne begins: Hydro Plant
Gao begins: Hydro Plant
Kushiku begins: University
Kumbi Saleh finishes: Hindu Mandir

Turn 3 (1874 AD)
Kumbi Saleh begins: Tank
Walata finishes: Colosseum
Great Prophet born in Nagasaki

Orleans finishes: Buddhist Temple
Confucianism has spread: PigPen

Turn 4 (1875 AD)
Walata begins: Hydro Plant
Orleans begins: Courthouse
Djenne finishes: The Temple of Solomon

Shaggy finishes: Aqueduct
Besancon grows: 12

Turn 5 (1876 AD)
Shaggy begins: Battleship
Research begun: Rocketry
Timbuktu grows: 20
Timbuktu finishes: Courthouse
Angle finishes: Hindu Mandir
Marooned finishes: Colosseum
Marseilles grows: 12
NAPPY DECLARED WAR ON ALEX

Turn 6 (1877 AD)
Research begun: Flight
Timbuktu begins: Destroyer
Angle begins: Hydro Plant
Marooned begins: University
PigPen grows: 21
Nagasaki finishes: Observatory

Turn 7 (1878 AD)
Nagasaki begins: Factory
Djenne finishes: Hydro Plant
Kumbi Saleh finishes: Tank
Gao finishes: Hydro Plant
PigPen finishes: University
Shaggy grows: 17

Turn 8 (1879 AD)
Djenne begins: Tank
Kumbi Saleh begins: Tank
Gao begins: Battleship
PigPen begins: Observatory
Rheims finishes: Colosseum

Turn 9 (1880 AD)
Djenne finishes: Tank
Walata finishes: Hydro Plant
Kushiku finishes: University
Marseilles finishes: Colosseum
Orleans grows: 8

Turn 10 (1881 AD)
Djenne begins: Tank
Walata begins: Infantry
Kushiku begins: Grocer
Marseilles begins: Infantry

EDIT: WOO HOO!!!! This is my 100th post. Damn where are the smilies when you need them

 

[Sir Toma]

Just some other useless info

I think our empire is in good shape at the moment and that we are catching up in tech. I would reccomend a quick war against Nappy to take some more territory and completely throw him out of the game. He has hardly any miliatary left and most cities only have 2-3 riflemen.

Good luck Scowler

 

[Luv_Muffin]

I noticed that Saladin is building rock-n-roll & 3 gorges?
If we could get 3 gorges, all our cities get hydro. Wouldn't need to build a dam in each city.
Doesn't he realize he is fighting a war, and losing?
Maybe he should build a few military units, instead of building wonders I wanted us to get!
Hmmm, I wonder if we could still get these built before Sally gets them?
What cities of ours are industry powerhouses?

War with Nappy? I'd say sure... but how are we going to get Saladin to invite us into this war again? If we get involved, Cyrus gets involved. I wonder if that would alarm Monty enough to do a little freakshow of his own....

Good solid turn, Sir T.
Did we get rocketry in one turn?
Finally we got Solomons temple built in Djenne! Took a while to get it though, didn't it? Heh heh. Now we need a few jewish missionaries for some of our cities. Nice cash boost as well.
Sir Toma got us our first modern units built, tanks and battleships!
I just know somebody is itching to play with these new toys of ours.
If we do go to war with nappy, we might want to send our modern navy in that general direction to aid with bombardment. If we get lucky, we could sink whatever fleet he has left while in port if we follow the bombardment with a tank blitz.

Edit: Scowler needs a savegame.
I also notice that Saladin must have bribed Nappy to declare war on Alex!
Okay, so that means that if we go to war with Nappy, we risk a war with Saladin (and make nicey nice with Alex?) That would certainly shift the axis of power on our world...

 

[Liquidated]

this is basicly europe 1913 here. bunch of back stabbing bastards delaring war on eachother and all manner of bizzare pacts and alliances.

How we ever expected to play a culture game in this sort of war prone game is beyond me!

Cheers!
-Liq

 

[Sir Toma]

f*** i forgot the save again. I'm really crap at remembering things these days . Quick question, are we allowed to declare war on an enemy?

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Lurker_II_AD-1881.Civ4SavedGame

 

[Luv_Muffin]

No. We cannot declare war on our own.

I agree, it does look a lot like early 20th century affairs now, with empires trying to flex their old Imperial or Colonial muscles, but we aren't playing with pointy sticks and horsies anymore. Alex is doing very well against Saladin! I wonder if it is that airpower that is keeping Saladin pinned down and unable to move. But Sally does have SAM infantry... hmmm....

 

[Scowler]

Got it, but it will be a while before I can sit down and play through it.

 

[Liquidated]

turns getting ugly scowler so take your time. lots to keep track of.

Cheers!
-Liq

 

[Scowler]

(0) 1881AD
- Kumbi is due to grow in 4, taking us over the health limit. Even though we have plenty of food to support this it would not be in our interest to do so as the two remaining city tiles are both occupied by farms: no commerce/hammers. We might as well create a specialist now for some tangible benefit, therefore merchant created: income increases from +88 to +97gpt.
- In Gao, someone has switched an artist for a scientist. This isn't really worth it for the difference of 2 beakers between the two. I switch him back for additional cultural pressure on Anjar.
- PigPen is still suffering from the usual problems: much too unhealthiness and further growth will not benefit us. I halt growth and create 2 additional merchants (income increases to +109gpt). Unforunately, we are already maxxed out on artists here, but at least the merchants will provide an additional +4 culture/turn.
- Kushiku is currently set to "Avoid Growth" for health reasons; however, this does not use the city to its full potential. I cancel "Avoid Growth" and change a citizen into an artist. Same effect, but the city is now receiving a culture boost (it is under some pressure so could do with a little help in this department) and GP points.
- With a large food surplus,and all available city tiles currently in use, I am going to allow Besancon to continue growing into unhealthiness so that additional specialists are gained naturally.
- As we have a reasonable reserve of cash I decide to increase the culture slider to 10% for a few turns (-23gpt). This will increase pressure on Anjar, as well as helping some of our newer border cities.
- Cyrus is already building 3 Gorges Dam: it is currently due in 35 turns, but we would not be able to build it quicker in any of our cities.

(1) 1882AD
- Timbuktu: destroyer -> workboat (so that we have a backup source of oil in case anything happens to our well near Orleans)
- Gao: battleship -> destroyer
- Shaggy: battleship -> tank

(2) 1883AD
- Timbuktu: workboat -> tank
- Djenne: tank - Jewish missionary

(3) 1884AD
- Flight -> Mass Media (for UN)
- I make the following deal with HC so that I don't have to waste time researching Rocketry (yes I know it's a racket, but I want a rocket NOW):

- Djenne: Jewish missionary -> fighter
- Kumbi: tank -> fighter
- Angle: hydro plant -> fighter
- Walata: infantry -> fighter
- Missionary is sent to Rheims and succeeds in spreading Judaism

(4) 1885AD
- Nappy demands that we stop trading with Hatty: no.
- Djenne: fighter -> fighter
- Gao: destroyer -> tank

(5) 1886AD
- Djenne: fighter -> fighter
- Walata: fighter -> gunship
- Marooned: university -> SAM infantry
- Rheims: factory -> tank

(6) 1887AD
- Timbuktu: tank -> fighter
- Djenne: fighter -> fighter
- Kumbi: fighter -> tank
- Angle: fighter -> tank
- Kushiku: grocer -> aqueduct
- Besancon's borders expand:

(7) 1888AD
- Djenne: fighter -> fighter
- Shaggy: tank -> fighter
- Monty declares war...























on Hatty!

(8) 1889AD
- Toku wants us to adopt Mercantilism, but when I don't respond to his demands:

Poor Toku. I almost feel sorry for him now.
- Hatty wants our help against Monty. This is quite an interesting prospect: us + Cyrus + Hatty could probably do Monty some damage, but I take the coward's way out (have you seen Monty's power graph recently?) I also don't want our current growth halted by war, but I am perfectly happy for this to happen to Monty. The downside is that Monty could become even more powerful if he succeeds in taking over Hatty's territory, and also Hatty will probably now be reluctant to vote for us at the UN (but I'm guessing she would have abstained anyway due to us cancelling deals with her previously).
- Mass Media -> Medicine. I think we badly need some more health improvements in our cities, but Cyrus doesn't agree with this, so he starts researching Satellites instead.
- Djenne: fighter -> UN
- Gao: tank -> broadcast tower
- PigPen: observatory -> hermitage
- Hatty adopts Theocracy

(9) 1890AD
- Timbuktu: fighter -> broadcast tower
- Walata: gunship -> broadcast tower
- Alex captures Khazak from Nappy
- Confucianism spreads to Kumbi

(10) 1891AD

- Angle: tank -> broadcast tower
- Shaggy: tank -> broadcast tower
- Nagasaki: factory -> tank
- Marooned: SAM infantry -> hydro plant
- Kushiku: aqueduct -> broadcast tower
- Marseilles: infantry -> broadcast tower
- Orleans: courthouse -> broadcast tower
- Cyrus completes Rock and Roll (as can be seen above)
- Monty adopts Police State

Saved game

 

[Scowler]

- Trying for a diplomatic win is a bit of gamble, but it is either that or keep going for another 150-odd turns to grab a score victory. Unless things change, our opponent will be Monty, and Cyrus/us combined will have double the number of votes that he can bring to the table. On the other hand, he seems to be generally better liked than us, so we might have to consider some grovelling/bribery to gain more support (or remove some of Monty's)
- Nagasaki is currently starving. I made a mistake and allowed it to grow beyond the food capacity of its tiles. Unfortunately, nothing can be done, unless we are willing (able?) to steal tiles from Angle or change an improvement into a farm.
- More Jewish missionaries could be sent out to any of our cities lacking the religion

 

[Luv_Muffin]

Nice turn. Our power rating and military ranking is climbing again.
Should we find ourselves in a war with sad little Toku, it will be a short one.

Monty is a wild card. We don't want him to absorb Hatty's empire, but war is risky with his huge army. Maybe Hatty will make some diplomatic moves (Toku declares war on Monty! lol) and we will find ourselves in a better position, allowing us to get dragged into a war with Monty once his forces are spent and on the other side of the map.
#1 target would be his holy city. Remove his cash generating source, and he will be much easier to handle. Even a short war, that drives a stake into the heart of his empire should destabilize him. Nobody has ever taken a city of his, not even us! At some point, we may have to deal with him.

Broadcast towers! Woot. More culture pressure!

Next up, Sir Toma!

 

[Sir Toma]

What! Again! I had my turn right before Scowler. Can someone else please tell me whats going on.

 

[Luv_Muffin]

You missed a turn in the last turn cycle, we skipped from you, to percinho, to liq, to me and then you finally got your turn. Then scowler went (who is usually after me), and after scowler is you.

You're just confused because of all the friends you had over a few days ago have befuddled your mind.

It's okay Toma, drink lots of water.
You'll be fine.

EDIT: From page 26
Turn Order:
Liq -- he must be moo'ing or something
Luv_Muffin -- finished
Sir Toma -- Next! (missed turn)
Scowler -- On deck
Percinho -- On leave
Sir Toma -- waiting impatiently for himself to play new save
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Normal Turn Order:
Liq
Luv_Muffin
Scowler
Percinho -- On leave
Sir Toma

 

[Sir Toma]

Okay i'll try to play tonight. Why is it that having a social life always gets in the way of civ.

 

[Liquidated]

that toku quote is hilarious...

merc civic is like the worst civic ever. unless you are playing closed borders it's just shooting yourself in the head.

Cheers!
-Liq

 

[Sir Toma]

Sorry guys but although i tried i only managed to get 3 turns in with other random commitments (like sleep) getting in the way.
So here they are

Turn 1 (1891 AD)
User comment: Saladin has Fission. Doesn't sound too good
Kumbi Saleh finishes: Tank
Gao finishes: Broadcast Tower
Angle grows: 20

Turn 2 (1892 AD)
Kumbi Saleh begins: Fighter
Gao begins: Airport
Timbuktu grows: 21
Great Scientist born in PigPen

Turn 3 (1893 AD)
Nothing so far except a few worker orders.

The only memorable thing that happened was that Nappy demanded that we decalre war on Alex. I refused. I did have a screenie but i'll upload that later.
Well there's my very short turn. If we have learnt anything from this its that civ and social life don't mix .

edit: The great scientist is being sent to angle to build an academy. Feel free to change this

 

[Luv_Muffin]

Liq will need the save "Sleepy" Toma.
Next turn set I hope you can play your entire turn, but you may be right about having a social life. Only 24 hours in a day and all.

I'm feeling better now that we have some aircraft and tanks.

 

[Sir Toma]

I knew that and i was going to upload the save but i had to have a shower.

Anyway here it is.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Lurker_II_AD-1893.Civ4SavedGame

 

[Liquidated]

preturn:
ok take out the two artist specs in oreleans and move growth up to 3 turns and tower down to 16 turns.

notice paris is 2% jap lol.

and wow anjar is still holding on for deal life.

I extort 80 gold form toku. and... nope! hw won;t accept 5 gold per turn. he's furious!!! hahahaha

Start rail roading near toku.

moving tanks and planes towards the east.

can use some bombers.

ok so Liq using this round to beef up the military! and pick on toku.

[1]1894 AD
bes builds a university.. needs culture. jewish temple in 7.

build academy in angle.

come on toku, attack us.

[2]1895 AD
cyrus has a ton of ships.

kumbi builds a fighter... bomber in 4.
tank in rheims... but has no barracks????? WTH people barracks in 4. gotta pay attention to the barracks thing guys! =)

toku will not give us his lunch cash.

[3]1896 AD
medicine comes in thank god. I go satalites as only 4 turns left.

I'll see how bad unhealth is, free market is sweet.

angle finishes broadcast tower choose hospital in 5 as it's on the front with toku.
walata builds a broadcast tower... start mount rushmore in 7.

change gao to a hospital.

Gonna start metalworks in walata after rushmore queuining it now, redcross after that.

no space race makes this a safe game =/

get 100 gold from monty. rofl. thanks dude!

[4]1897 AD
Timbuktu gets it's broadcast tower. hmmm lets me seee... hospital
naggy completes tank goes hospital... nice production there.

railing anyone not railed.

toku will not give us his 10 gold.
monty will not give us his 10 gold per turn, the bastard!

yawn... everyone is too scared to attack us.

[5]1898 AD
Kuishku gets it's broadcast tower!!! bomber in 5.

lots of rail roads near toku

[6]1899 AD
kumbi builds bomber nother bomber.
shaggy goes for a bomber.
marooned goes for an observatory.
rheims goes for a grainery

monty took a city from hatty. el-Amarna. so two down.. we will not take peace.

[7]1900 AD
sats come in can go for a few things... cyrus goes for computers and I agree? cyrus goes from 22 turns on computers to 7 with our help lol.

ok here's the idea. those bastards scared of us. so a war is not liekly as we build up our military. I'll start scotland yard in angle next turn and lets chain destory monty's oil and coal.

nappy goes theo.

[8]1901 AD
angle completes hospital goes for scotland yard in 13.
bea went from um whatever to barracks. game just geeked and went full screen so had to save and restart.

[9]1902 AD
saladin is sending another artist to culture bomb anjar lol.

gao starts SDI better now than later with mad monty about.

[10]1903 AD
lets see

kushkush bomber -> bomber
kumbi same
shaggy same.
rheims gets it's grainery... broadcast tower in 11.

walata builds mount rushmore woo woo go hospital and queue up ironworks.

shaggy gets confused. switch over to confused temple.

cyrus goes free religion as well.

computers in 4 imo go eco next recycle centers will help our health tons and allow us to start on air ports.

built up 4 bombers and started on a wave of hospitals

Walata gets red cross <------------------


beas pushed out it's culture sometime during this round I think. it stole two tiels from nappy.

did my best to piss off toku, there's no way he'll attack though. he's too far behind and he knows it.

anjar is about to get another culture bomb, lets see if it does much.


revolt emancipation and buy pigpen a hospital, and a broadcast tower. it's hammers are the suck.

we get over 1200 gold a turn at 0% science so use the 5 turns of emance to buy out all you can infra wise.

upgraded a bunch of rifles and grens around the borders into infantry.


when scotland yard builds spam spies and chain sabotage monty's oil and coal.

This is going to end on a boring note lol, no one dares attacks us as we slowly build up our military. bombers now and just change them into steaths when able.

Btw montys score actually went down during the turn, not sure what caused that.

Cheers!
-Liq

Save:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Lurker_II_AD-1903.Civ4SavedGame

 

[Luv_Muffin]

Got the save, will play in a few.

Got my marching orders too. Thx Liq.
Harrassing Monty is a good idea, especially if we take out his strategic resources before we get him mad enough to start a war with us.
Heh heh.