Merum
Permanent Jet Lag
We can get communism in 7 turns at 50% research and still stay in the green by turning off culture during that time. Worth a thought. It may be the quickest path to a win.
SGOTM 01 - Fifth Element
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Boss, Da plan! Da plan!
Ok, I'm left with a nice turn. Cities are nicely MM'd. Cuzco is ready to die. Expansion time, baby. Here's the big picture:
- Pursue military path and settling in Incaland. After Cuzco, Ollantaytamba must be conquered. (What kind of name is that anyway?)
- We need some cannon baby. Me like-a the boom. After current builds complete, build cannons and bring to Incaland (in case it takes more than 6 turns)
- Get some galleons back to Giza to bring reinforcements and settlers to Incaland
- Grow cities in next 6 turns: Moscow (4), Pasargadae (4), Bactra (2), Gordium (6), Amarna (1),Vilcabamba (2), El-Amarna (1), Hieraconpolis (3), Heliopolis (5), Elephantine (2), Alexandria (3), Pi-Ramesses (3),Arbela (1), Tarsus (1)
- Constant monitoring of relationship with FDR (and FDR's relationship with Gandhi)
- Secondary goal: Research Communism to get PA with FDR (in case it takes more than 6 turns)
- Send machine gun/settler to Incaland - settle on peninsula facing America
- Civics: Switch to free religion
Ok, I'm left with a nice turn. Cities are nicely MM'd. Cuzco is ready to die. Expansion time, baby. Here's the big picture:
- Pursue military path and settling in Incaland. After Cuzco, Ollantaytamba must be conquered. (What kind of name is that anyway?)
- We need some cannon baby. Me like-a the boom. After current builds complete, build cannons and bring to Incaland (in case it takes more than 6 turns)
- Get some galleons back to Giza to bring reinforcements and settlers to Incaland
- Grow cities in next 6 turns: Moscow (4), Pasargadae (4), Bactra (2), Gordium (6), Amarna (1),Vilcabamba (2), El-Amarna (1), Hieraconpolis (3), Heliopolis (5), Elephantine (2), Alexandria (3), Pi-Ramesses (3),Arbela (1), Tarsus (1)
- Constant monitoring of relationship with FDR (and FDR's relationship with Gandhi)
- Secondary goal: Research Communism to get PA with FDR (in case it takes more than 6 turns)
- Send machine gun/settler to Incaland - settle on peninsula facing America
- Civics: Switch to free religion
Perugia
Prince
Brian - great plan. Just three comments.
1) I now think it is unlikely we can get a diplo win in 6 turns as we just can't get enough military to the HC cities in that time. So we really need to work out if the secondary goal of Communism Perm-Alliance should become primary goal.
2) Therefore this afternoon I will try to provide an estimate of whether our land area plus FDRs is enough or close to a domination win and let you know. If that's the fastest way to win as Merum suggests then you can MM cities for science instead of growth.
3) Your military plans would still be valid either way. Good point about getting galleons back to Giza but don't send them all as it is better to use ship chaining. The galleys should head deeper into Incaland as they have to take a long winded path across the strait. Some inca cities might have barracks but you could 2-turn rush cannon at a cost if desparate.
1) I now think it is unlikely we can get a diplo win in 6 turns as we just can't get enough military to the HC cities in that time. So we really need to work out if the secondary goal of Communism Perm-Alliance should become primary goal.
2) Therefore this afternoon I will try to provide an estimate of whether our land area plus FDRs is enough or close to a domination win and let you know. If that's the fastest way to win as Merum suggests then you can MM cities for science instead of growth.
3) Your military plans would still be valid either way. Good point about getting galleons back to Giza but don't send them all as it is better to use ship chaining. The galleys should head deeper into Incaland as they have to take a long winded path across the strait. Some inca cities might have barracks but you could 2-turn rush cannon at a cost if desparate.
Perugia
Prince
Is a Domination Victory imminent?
Domination........ Target FE.. Gandhi
World population.. 49.00 37.23 24.00
Land area........... 65.00 28.56 26.00
From the recent elections we know FDR has at least half our population so that puts us on 57% which meets that part of the target. Now what about land area as I promised.....
Looking at the minimap HC and Saladin have approx same area which from the demograph is 104000 sq km. So using the average rival figure we can calculate the following
FE...... Gandhi.... FDR.. Saladin ...HC
257000 235000 194000 104000 104000 sq km
FE...Gandhi. FDR.. Sal. .HC
28.75 26.29 21.70 11.6 11.6 %
So at the moment we and FDR have just over 50% of land area between us vs a target of 64%
This is a lot shorter of the domination target than we are on the diplomatic target (57% out of 67%). This is mainly due to Gandhis rather horrific culture which can only get worse as his buildings increasingly become over 1000 years old.
Therefore I'm afraid we should forget about domination we will win by diplo first .
Our domestic economy should concentrate on growth not science.
BrianS. If you feel FDR has a chance of actually capturing an incan city we should him to attack something like Ollantaytambo rather than the current target of Arequipa unless we see he has marines!
Domination........ Target FE.. Gandhi
World population.. 49.00 37.23 24.00
Land area........... 65.00 28.56 26.00
From the recent elections we know FDR has at least half our population so that puts us on 57% which meets that part of the target. Now what about land area as I promised.....
Looking at the minimap HC and Saladin have approx same area which from the demograph is 104000 sq km. So using the average rival figure we can calculate the following
FE...... Gandhi.... FDR.. Saladin ...HC
257000 235000 194000 104000 104000 sq km
FE...Gandhi. FDR.. Sal. .HC
28.75 26.29 21.70 11.6 11.6 %
So at the moment we and FDR have just over 50% of land area between us vs a target of 64%
This is a lot shorter of the domination target than we are on the diplomatic target (57% out of 67%). This is mainly due to Gandhis rather horrific culture which can only get worse as his buildings increasingly become over 1000 years old.
Therefore I'm afraid we should forget about domination we will win by diplo first .
Our domestic economy should concentrate on growth not science.
BrianS. If you feel FDR has a chance of actually capturing an incan city we should him to attack something like Ollantaytambo rather than the current target of Arequipa unless we see he has marines!
Perugia
Prince
Just to say SGOTM 02 - Fifth Element thread is now up and running for pre-game discussion and the following 6 players have signed on.
BLubmuz
BrianS
Doom Train
gustavoghe
Merum
Perugia
I'm sure everyone on the current team welcomes the new players.
BLubmuz
BrianS
Doom Train
gustavoghe
Merum
Perugia
I'm sure everyone on the current team welcomes the new players.
I would like some thoughts on a mid-turn issue. We took Cuzco, and have established a couple of new cities: one on the Inca peninsula and the other on the Egyptian homeland. Now, as we position to take Ollantaytambo, FDR makes peace with HC. Now that just sucks.
FDR will re-declare war for 490 gold. I say we do it to maintain the mutual struggle points. Any dissenters?
Also, when the UN vote came up, I requested vote on Free Speech rather than Diplomatic Victory since it seemed unachievable, Saladin was in vassalage, and we have some more cities to conqer in Incaland. Results not yet in, but we're sure to win this.
FDR will re-declare war for 490 gold. I say we do it to maintain the mutual struggle points. Any dissenters?
Also, when the UN vote came up, I requested vote on Free Speech rather than Diplomatic Victory since it seemed unachievable, Saladin was in vassalage, and we have some more cities to conqer in Incaland. Results not yet in, but we're sure to win this.
Perugia
Prince
Good military progress, after Olly the remainder of his cities are close by 
.
At this stage 490 gold is nothing. Pay up and be very grateful and ask FDR to attack one of the Inca cities.
When the Free speech result comes in can you record the breakdown of votes please.
.At this stage 490 gold is nothing. Pay up and be very grateful and ask FDR to attack one of the Inca cities.
When the Free speech result comes in can you record the breakdown of votes please.
Merum
Permanent Jet Lag
BrianS said:
Damn. Time to start thinking about an invasion fleet for Arabia...
Perugia
Prince
You had better check the revolt chances at Gordium, Bactra and other border ciities and apply whatever garrisons are necessary.
I had to take a family break. I just got back, and got the results of UN Election for Diplomatic Victory:
Turn 7 1782
UN Election, we're getting closer, we have 430 of 445 needed votes.
Gandhi: 178
Fifth Element: 430
FDR: 136
HC: 25
Saladin: 85
We can win by taking Incaland.
@Perugia: We're okay on our other cities except Gordium, and I'm reinforcing it.
Turn 7 1782
UN Election, we're getting closer, we have 430 of 445 needed votes.
Gandhi: 178
Fifth Element: 430
FDR: 136
HC: 25
Saladin: 85
We can win by taking Incaland.
@Perugia: We're okay on our other cities except Gordium, and I'm reinforcing it.
Perugia
Prince
BrianS said:
Great stuff. I guess you are still looking for all reasonable short term opportunities to build new cities and grow our existing ones to supplement taking Incaland. I also imagine you are gold rushing the really important stuff (settlers & military). We want an empty treasury when we win!
I though it might help if we gift some smallish marginal cities to FDR if he'll take them so you can limit the growth in maintenance to assist the rush of military/setters.
Leave Machu Pichu to near the end as its on a hill, only go for the one tile island if we need it even if we do it might be better to attack Saladin.
Perugia
Prince
BrianS said:Story to follow
Well done everybody. That was a close run thing.
Brian. As there is not much time left to the deadline for submissions can you upload the save asap (if you haven't already done so).
Please capture the final turnset log stuff to include in the story as the usual spoiler.
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