SGOTM 04 - Team VQ
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bobrath
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Alright, after starting my turn by going on a sign demolition derby (I mean comeon, once a sign is done or outdated.... delete that bad boy). Not sure who the construction engineer is but, I can always rely on something fun (and not game changing) to do at the start of my turns.
Lets see what we have here... Khaaaan down to what looks like one city with a nice set of our forces outside. Baldy is hemmed in with a picket of forces around his first city on our side of the lake and one zerker is watching his second town. Other AIs... Hannibal thinks we're scum, Izzy is willing to do sheep for dye (and this sudden extra happy drops us a turn of research!). Renegotiate two deals to pick up an extra gpt each from Mehemed and Brennus. Looks good.
Two turns later (as we're within 1 turn of Sci Meth) I notice an interesting little stack:
Uh oh... I reduce our research by 20% to keep the tech completing in 1 turn, but reducing the monetary loss. Checked around and didn't have much in the way of land based offense unless I demolish the picket line. Lets see what happens.
Ah well, time to go on a sudden "improvement" phase in many of our cities near Hannibal's lands (and some not near). The whip was applied to cities to get them ready just in case. Yes, our economy took a small hit (but one whip was to finish off the FP so that helped a good chunk).
He's moved that naval stack up next to Ning-hsia which has one zerk and one spear... I notice Hannibal has a worker just NE of Ning-Hsia so I capture it (on a hill) and move both zerk and spear to it. I figure the city is lost, so why not move to a better defensive spot AND perhaps steal a worker (though we had a TON of sleeping workers at the start of my turn).
Oh yeah, in the other war, I took Tabriz
Now I had a choice, keep it and try to defend with cats and CR3 zerkers a location that I find to be one south of optimal OR raize the bad boy and bring our units home to crush the homeland invasion. Its not a Nara by any stretch , but I didn't see wasting great offensive units on defense. OH yeah, and Khaaaan will bother us no more.
Sci Meth completes and I start research on Steel (7 turns), but I knock research down to 0% so that we make over 600gpt back. I'm going on a massive upgrade of our military and I want to make sure that Hannibal regrets his decision.
Hannibal lands next to the empty city of Ning-Hsia:
Interesting choice to not take it directly, but what ya gonna do.
We popped a Great General and I quickly established a military academy in Nidaros. I want to SPAM units out!
I also decided that I've had enough of caravels, tiremes, and other old tech enemy ships hanging around our borders. Ghandi will not like us, but I sank a good number of his ships (and now have promoted frigates to show for it). We can't match Hannibal's navy, but that's ok - he's parked almost the entire fleet in Ning-Hsia and is defending it... poorly!
Fast forward to 1565, the next player can have some fun kicking Hannibal off our island:
There are two more cats just northeast of our north stack to help with knocking down defenses.
I still have a good chunk of cities on military production (still in OR however), so we might want to consider getting some Galleons down to our western tip if we want to press our advantage.
Demographics shows us as 7th in the world for soldiers... but the Power graph shows a much more fun look:
We're not a research power house yet (5 turns on Steel even at 100%), but we've got enough cities and manpower to brute our way up. Hannibal did get some pillaging on town or two, so that hurt. Won't be hurting for long when we take 3 of his.
Hannibal SMASHING
HoF log
CfC Log
Lets see what we have here... Khaaaan down to what looks like one city with a nice set of our forces outside. Baldy is hemmed in with a picket of forces around his first city on our side of the lake and one zerker is watching his second town. Other AIs... Hannibal thinks we're scum, Izzy is willing to do sheep for dye (and this sudden extra happy drops us a turn of research!). Renegotiate two deals to pick up an extra gpt each from Mehemed and Brennus. Looks good.
Two turns later (as we're within 1 turn of Sci Meth) I notice an interesting little stack:
Uh oh... I reduce our research by 20% to keep the tech completing in 1 turn, but reducing the monetary loss. Checked around and didn't have much in the way of land based offense unless I demolish the picket line. Lets see what happens.
Ah well, time to go on a sudden "improvement" phase in many of our cities near Hannibal's lands (and some not near). The whip was applied to cities to get them ready just in case. Yes, our economy took a small hit (but one whip was to finish off the FP so that helped a good chunk).
He's moved that naval stack up next to Ning-hsia which has one zerk and one spear... I notice Hannibal has a worker just NE of Ning-Hsia so I capture it (on a hill) and move both zerk and spear to it. I figure the city is lost, so why not move to a better defensive spot AND perhaps steal a worker (though we had a TON of sleeping workers at the start of my turn).
Oh yeah, in the other war, I took Tabriz
Now I had a choice, keep it and try to defend with cats and CR3 zerkers a location that I find to be one south of optimal OR raize the bad boy and bring our units home to crush the homeland invasion. Its not a Nara by any stretch , but I didn't see wasting great offensive units on defense. OH yeah, and Khaaaan will bother us no more.
Sci Meth completes and I start research on Steel (7 turns), but I knock research down to 0% so that we make over 600gpt back. I'm going on a massive upgrade of our military and I want to make sure that Hannibal regrets his decision.
Hannibal lands next to the empty city of Ning-Hsia:
Interesting choice to not take it directly, but what ya gonna do.
We popped a Great General and I quickly established a military academy in Nidaros. I want to SPAM units out!
I also decided that I've had enough of caravels, tiremes, and other old tech enemy ships hanging around our borders. Ghandi will not like us, but I sank a good number of his ships (and now have promoted frigates to show for it). We can't match Hannibal's navy, but that's ok - he's parked almost the entire fleet in Ning-Hsia and is defending it... poorly!
Fast forward to 1565, the next player can have some fun kicking Hannibal off our island:
There are two more cats just northeast of our north stack to help with knocking down defenses.
I still have a good chunk of cities on military production (still in OR however), so we might want to consider getting some Galleons down to our western tip if we want to press our advantage.
Demographics shows us as 7th in the world for soldiers... but the Power graph shows a much more fun look:
We're not a research power house yet (5 turns on Steel even at 100%), but we've got enough cities and manpower to brute our way up. Hannibal did get some pillaging on town or two, so that hurt. Won't be hurting for long when we take 3 of his.
Hannibal SMASHING
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CfC Log
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Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Good stuff Bob. Funny how we plan to declare on somebody and they always beat us to it. Good army though with those grens and should get him off our land soon.
We had sleeping workers? I never let them sleep if there is nothing to build then build roads right. You can never have too many roads.
I think I'm up but won't get to this until Monday.
We had sleeping workers? I never let them sleep if there is nothing to build then build roads right. You can never have too many roads.
I think I'm up but won't get to this until Monday.
namliaM
Deity
The AI seem to be one step ahead of us all the time, now its Hannibal declaring war a few turns before we do so 
I agree you razing or abanoning a city we cannot hold ....
Hmz, OR... should we revolt to Theo and just crank units everywhere if only for a catapult every 100 turns?? Or something rediculous like that?
Whats funny about the power graph? Or do I just not get it?
Actually cosmic, the Roster
namliaM -- +1 gmt >
Greyfox -- +8 gmt >
Maquis -- -7 gmt > Had a quiet set
Bobrath -- -5 gmt > Quite the opposite, 2 DoWs
Healium -- +1 gmt -- Still on Auto skip, speak up if you want back in the rotation!
Scowler -- gmt > UP to clean our island
Frankcor-- -5 gmt <Lurker>
Cosmichail -- -5gmt > On deck for box-easter day... ??
Have fun Scowler
, looks like Bob set you up great!
What do we want to do about Hannibals lands? Keep it? Raze it?
If we keep it, do we start preparing on abandoning our Home lands?
I agree you razing or abanoning a city we cannot hold ....
Hmz, OR... should we revolt to Theo and just crank units everywhere if only for a catapult every 100 turns?? Or something rediculous like that?
Whats funny about the power graph? Or do I just not get it?
Actually cosmic, the Roster
namliaM -- +1 gmt >
Greyfox -- +8 gmt >
Maquis -- -7 gmt > Had a quiet set
Bobrath -- -5 gmt > Quite the opposite, 2 DoWs
Healium -- +1 gmt -- Still on Auto skip, speak up if you want back in the rotation!
Scowler -- gmt > UP to clean our island
Frankcor-- -5 gmt <Lurker>
Cosmichail -- -5gmt > On deck for box-easter day... ??
Have fun Scowler
, looks like Bob set you up great!What do we want to do about Hannibals lands? Keep it? Raze it?
If we keep it, do we start preparing on abandoning our Home lands?
bobrath
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What's funny (or not) was I was looking at Ghandi's line and thinking it was ours.... Ah well, not so funny now!
Only one DoW in my turn. I finished off the existing war with Khaaaan, got declared on by Hannibal, and kept Izzy on the sidelines.
Only one DoW in my turn. I finished off the existing war with Khaaaan, got declared on by Hannibal, and kept Izzy on the sidelines.
namliaM
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Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
I just realized it's been 12 days since I last played. No wonder I'm confused about who's playing. So wake me when it's my turn. I put a sticky on the calender. PS. at this pace we won't finish the game as it will likely be finished end of April.
EDIT: Having lots of fun with Cultural Extermination.
EDIT: Having lots of fun with Cultural Extermination.
Nothing quite like a chocolate rush...
Yes, namliaM, Death By Chocolate.
All our catapults were loaded with special chocolate Easter eggs, and as a result Hannibal has now been swept from our continent.
And at that point (6 turns) I've stopped, partly from lack of time, partly to allow an assessment of our next move - do we want to make temporary peace with Hannibal for some 800g or take the fight to his homeland? (we really need more ships for an effective Sirian doctrine, despite sinking a large portion of his fleet at Ning)
The save is up now for inspection; I'll post a proper report in a while, and then I'll most likely have to work for the rest of the day
(0) 1565AD
- Some minor MM to optimise tile usage. I also found a couple more groups of workers sleeping while tiles and resources need improving! Workers are for working, not for sleeping!
(1) 1568AD
- I changed the Harbour at Beshbalik to a Fishing Boat: the city will grow next turn, and if we switch to the boat and whip right away we can do it for 2 pop instead of one - and there are 3 sea resources there. BTW, I chose to send the first boat to the more distant fish rather than the crab immediately next to the city because the latter would have been within immediate striking range of the Carthaginian fleet at Ning - I didn't want to tempt them out while there was a possibility of sinking them while in port.
I sent the frigates in the above picture north to bombard Sicca - less work for the cats and frees them for directly assaulting the defenders.
(2) 1571AD
- Thaenae was captured and razed, leaving a cultural space that would cause trouble later...
(3) 1574AD
- Sicca fell immediately afterwards, but I kept this city as it makes a nice coastal base, especially with the Granary and Trading Post remaining intact.
(4) 1577AD
- Steel was completed; I set research to RP as we have a number of forests to mill, it is only 4 turns away, and nobody will trade it to us. In fact, I wasn't able to do any trading with our opponents, some due to WFYABTA, and some because we had nothing to offer in exchange.
- Hannibal then landed two cannons and a grenadier at Birka. Presumably they must have come directly from the other continent as they didn't seem to be from Ning. Sadly he went on to pillage the gems and then killed a crossbow before I was able to remove these pests.
(5) 1580AD
- Battle of Ning. The highlight was a CRIII cat killing the grenadier in the city at 4.4% odds
And of course all those enemy ships sank to a watery grave as well. So now we have a nice rallying point for sending troops overseas to Carthage.
Unfortunately, just after I finished moving troops into Ning I noticed THIS further north, presumably attracted by the gap in our borders:
I guessed he might be heading for the site of Thaenae to plant his city so I moved a CIV pikeman onto the tile, hoping to discourage him. I also moved 4 beserkers onto the windmill S of the gold. Luckily I had a couple of injured Grens with movement points further S as well so I shifted them closer in case of an opportunity.
(6) 1583AD
- Mehmed declared war on Washington
- The tactic with the pikeman worked, leaving the settler group in range of the injured grens - I was able to take out the rifles at 90% and 60% odds.
- However, Gandhi has taking advantage of the distraction to try his luck N of Birka.
- Hannibal is now willing to talk and will offer this for peace:
I'm somewhat tempted, seeing as it will take some time to get ready to move our troops to his homeland. Then again, maybe it would be better to press home our advantage? Thoughts? Whatever we decide, now might be a good time to revolt if we have any intention of switching to Theocracy, seeing as there is a small lull in the war.
I also noticed this just west of Ning - I think it is new:
Finally, I notice we have a settler mooching about. I don't recall seeing any plans in previous reports about using him (maybe I overlooked this?) so I moved him into one of the central cities. I didn't see any obvious spot, but perhaps the idea was to put him somewhere in the cultural lacuna left by Thaenae?
And what is it with Gandhi and all those Caravels? There's a ridiculous number of them trundling about. Surely he has more important things to build?
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Glad to hear I managed to leave some semblance of an army in place for the smashing of Hannibal.
Not having looked at the save, I'll posit this for peace time moves:
Since we finished researching Steel, so we could upgrade to cannons.
We have 1 or 2 galleons which means a max of 6 units can make the jump to his lands every 2/3 turns.
HOWEVER, we're at tech parity with Hannibal right now and our grens and pikes can handle his rifles and knights, will waiting through 10 turns of peace give him enough time to make it hurt worse?
EVEN SO, we've finally got our economy back to a reasonable state - can we afford to bog it down with more acquisitions?
YET, Hannibal didn't reinforce his initial landing (Izzy settled the Tabriz site?), so what have his hammers been doing?
FINALLY, beyond just protecting Ghandi, we probably need to help him grow and that's going to me giving up our north. Would Hannibal's capital be an nice site for ours?
Not a conclusion out of all that, but thought to consider.
Not having looked at the save, I'll posit this for peace time moves:
Since we finished researching Steel, so we could upgrade to cannons.
We have 1 or 2 galleons which means a max of 6 units can make the jump to his lands every 2/3 turns.
HOWEVER, we're at tech parity with Hannibal right now and our grens and pikes can handle his rifles and knights, will waiting through 10 turns of peace give him enough time to make it hurt worse?
EVEN SO, we've finally got our economy back to a reasonable state - can we afford to bog it down with more acquisitions?
YET, Hannibal didn't reinforce his initial landing (Izzy settled the Tabriz site?), so what have his hammers been doing?
FINALLY, beyond just protecting Ghandi, we probably need to help him grow and that's going to me giving up our north. Would Hannibal's capital be an nice site for ours?
Not a conclusion out of all that, but thought to consider.
namliaM
Deity
I think we can take peace, we are going to need some building up if we are going to hurt his mainlands.
We are producing ships in Bjorgvin and ... *chit* I forget the name, without the advantage of the (cheap!) drydocks. I suggest we insert the drydocks before finishing these ships, the +4 xp and +50% production just is to big a boon to miss. Try to get one or two medic ships if we can, this will help a lot.
Lets stop building up "gandhi's" cities with infra and start cranking units to get us a new homeland, Hannibal's and GW's will do I think. For gandhi to really win at space he is going to need our northern cities (at least), I think. But not yet... to early for us to lose out on those strong cities. It would be GREAT if someplace in the next few turns (that I presume is still with Scowler) that either Hannibal or GW would build versailles. Minimizing the upkeep.
Ultimatly I dont think Hannibal is going to be our menice, Brennus is... He has production power to add to his research. Hannibal is sorely lacking production power.
Why have an engineer in Bjorgvin?? => City governer
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We are producing ships in Bjorgvin and ... *chit* I forget the name, without the advantage of the (cheap!) drydocks. I suggest we insert the drydocks before finishing these ships, the +4 xp and +50% production just is to big a boon to miss. Try to get one or two medic ships if we can, this will help a lot.
Lets stop building up "gandhi's" cities with infra and start cranking units to get us a new homeland, Hannibal's and GW's will do I think. For gandhi to really win at space he is going to need our northern cities (at least), I think. But not yet... to early for us to lose out on those strong cities. It would be GREAT if someplace in the next few turns (that I presume is still with Scowler) that either Hannibal or GW would build versailles. Minimizing the upkeep.
Ultimatly I dont think Hannibal is going to be our menice, Brennus is... He has production power to add to his research. Hannibal is sorely lacking production power.
Why have an engineer in Bjorgvin?? => City governer
?namliaM
Deity
Hmz, I was hoping/thinking Scowler would pick up some more turns.... but we havent heard anything from him since the report, a good day ...
Lets give him this/his evening to pick it up if not... Cosmic go get 'em.
Lets give him this/his evening to pick it up if not... Cosmic go get 'em.
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
WHaaaaattttttt it's only been 2 weeks. I have to reread everything to refresh my memory as this game is tucked in the back of my brain now for long term storage. Got culture on the brain now from SG.
I'll check this evening and if nothing happening will pick up the save.
I'll check this evening and if nothing happening will pick up the save.
Yep, didn't have time to play this earlier. I will try to play a few more turns tonight, if Cosmic is willing to hold off until tomorrow morning for him / lunchtime for me.
My plan would be to make peace, switch to Theo and continue building up troops for overseas battle.
My plan would be to make peace, switch to Theo and continue building up troops for overseas battle.
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