SGOTM 06 - The Real Ms. Beyond

[LKendter]

I voted for York purely because we have designated the city as military only. The instructor in London might not provide us with as much York's would.

This is the same basis why I voted for York. If the city has limited economy, then who cares about markets, libraries, etc. Outside of maybe Heroic Epic and a court I see nothing but troops. London has income, and needs plenty of buildings as our empire increases in size.

 

[ruff_hi]

the other option is a military academy ... no, wait, that was fixed. Are we anywhere near National Epic? Because a Medic 3 chariot would qualify as the required unit.

Anyway, I vote for merge into York.

 

[LKendter]

Are we anywhere near National Epic? Because a Medic 3 chariot would qualify as the required unit.

I suspect you mean Heroic Epic. With this being AW I am not worried about getting that built...

 

[Compromise]

I'd vote London because I think in the early term, it will provide more troops for us. Purely a base-hammer count.

(And good turns so far, Kodii.)

 

[sunrise089]

I vote for the medic III chariot, just to mix things up

 

[Kodii]

Hammer-wise, perhaps it is more effective to settle in London now, then in York later. We'll have another GG by the time London converts from units to infrastructure.

 

[Kodii]

T4 490BC - GG settled in London

T5 475BC - If its any consolation to sunrise, we now have a Medic 2 chariot

T10 400BC - I kill a barb warrior; Alex is still dancing around with his archers. At one point he DID break his stack, and I should have attacked, so forgive me for that mistake.

I have marked some signs on the units I have sent to converge to form a pillaging party. The first party should go to Alex. The second can go to Hannibal.

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm6/The_Real_Ms_Beyond_SG006_BC0400_01.CivWarlordsSave

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 490 BC to 400 BC:

Turn 134, 490 BC: Churchill's Chariot (3.78) vs Barbarian's Archer (2.85)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Combat Odds: 73.3%
Turn 134, 490 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 134, 490 BC: (Barbarian Combat: -5%)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Churchill's Chariot is hit for 16 (70/100HP)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Churchill's Chariot is hit for 16 (54/100HP)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Churchill's Chariot is hit for 16 (38/100HP)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Churchill's Chariot is hit for 16 (22/100HP)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 23 (8/100HP)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 134, 490 BC: Churchill's Chariot has defeated Barbarian's Archer!
Turn 134, 490 BC: Logging Game to File: autolog.txt

Turn 137, 445 BC: The enemy has been spotted near London!
Turn 137, 445 BC: London has grown to size 7

Turn 138, 430 BC: The enemy has been spotted near London!

Turn 139, 415 BC: The enemy has been spotted near London!
Turn 139, 415 BC: The enemy has been spotted near York!

Turn 140, 400 BC: The enemy has been spotted near London!
Turn 140, 400 BC: The enemy has been spotted near York!
Turn 140, 400 BC: Churchill's Axeman (5.50) vs Barbarian's Warrior (1.29)
Turn 140, 400 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 140, 400 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 140, 400 BC: (Barbarian Combat: -5%)
Turn 140, 400 BC: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 140, 400 BC: Churchill's Axeman is hit for 10 (90/100HP)
Turn 140, 400 BC: Churchill's Axeman is hit for 10 (80/100HP)
Turn 140, 400 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 37 (63/100HP)
Turn 140, 400 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 37 (26/100HP)
Turn 140, 400 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 37 (0/100HP)
Turn 140, 400 BC: Churchill's Axeman has defeated Barbarian's Warrior!
Turn 140, 400 BC: Your Axeman has destroyed a Warrior!

 

[Compromise]

Okay, I think we're safe...for now. Good work, Kodii.

I think York should work the cows, horses, the forest, the plains hill mine. (Cows currently unworked.)

I would only attack Alex's archers on flat land and not across a river. I'm not sure what the best way to lure him into that is.

I think Hannibal has founded our Iron city for us: NE of Sparta!

We could discuss how to proceed: one pillage party or two. I do think we want the elephant city as soon as we get construction in ~20T.

 

[Compromise]

Turnsets:
Sunrise89, I have you as up and me (Compromise) on deck. Ruff, I've still got you as a lurker. Let us know if any of that should be corrected.

Feedback requests:
A couple issues I'd like to get team feedback on:
1)Where to get Iron?,
2) Where/whether to pillage?,
3) If/When/How get elephants?
4) Worker priorities?

My initial thoughts:
1) [Iron] From Hannibal, after we destroy Greece.
2) [Pillaging] First pillage Alex (copper and horses), then Hannibal.
3) [Elephants] Part of the Destroy Greece plan. Sweep through elephants, Sparta, Athens. Keep all those; destroy all else. Then Hannibal: Keep Iron and Carthage. Finally Mansa: Keep cities which can support themselves.
4) [Workers] Road to Elephants. Road and improve behind the front.

 

[Swiss Pauli]

A couple issues I'd like to get team feedback on:
1)Where to get Iron?, Now. Cows/Iron.
2) Where/whether to pillage?, Greece
3) If/When/How get elephants? Take Greek Eleville
4) Worker priorities? Irontown

 

[Compromise]

Okay, we've got Compromise proposing to rely heavily on cats and elephants and Swiss recommending that we get a good Iron production city up and running asap. Anyone have different thoughts or have a preference between these two?

Also sunrise let us know if you want to play, swap or skip this round. Other than the discussion in the last couple posts, is there anything else anyone wants to add before we run the next few turns?

 

[sunrise089]

I have got it, and plan to play later tonight.

I'll throw in my votes behind the Compromise plan. I think hitting Alex with cats ASAP is the best course of action.

 

[Compromise]

To be fair, I think Swiss advocates cats asap too. It's just that he feels an Iron city via settler is a good investment of our food and hammers, whereas I think that axes will be fine, especially backed up by elephants.

 

[Kodii]

I really don't know whether or not its worth it to settle the iron now... but considering we are still some turns to Construction, I would propose one of the two plans while we wait for Godot.

1) Send out a settler for iron
2) Build up another pillaging party for Hannibal

I'm leaning towards the second option, because I don't see a real need for iron yet... I can be persuaded though.

 

[TheArchduke]

1)Where to get Iron?, Now.
2) Where/whether to pillage?, Also Greece, they should be our first target still.
3) If/When/How get elephants? Greece..
4) Worker priorities? Getting one more worker and then supporting a 3rd city.

My 2 cents. I am happy that we soldier on, but I doubt we make a highscore.

 

[LKendter]

Feedback requests:
A couple issues I'd like to get team feedback on:
1) Where to get Iron?
2) Where/whether to pillage?
3) If/When/How get elephants?
4) Worker priorities?

1) From the closest possible source. If construction is close (< 20 turns), then after we get the elephant city.
2) Pillage starts ASAP, and I would hit Mansa first to for the cottage income. We need to speed up science, and pillaging is a great way to do so.
3) I want them ASAP. We should take the Greek elephant city ASAP.
4) I don't know how London set for development. If it needs cottages, finish those. After that we need roads toward elephantville.

 

[LKendter]

My 2 cents. I am happy that we soldier on, but I doubt we make a highscore.

I agree we are out of competition.

I really wish I listened to my gut feeling that the stack was light, and argued with the team to delay long enough for a couple more units.

 

[Compromise]

I agree that we probably are out of the competition. I just can't see how wading through more-advanced AI lands will help us.

But that doesn't mean we can't still have fun! For starters, I recommend naming the units of our first pillage group as "Spoon Advance Alpha".

Can we rename cities? If we can, the capital could become Spoonstart. The horses could become Equispoon. Soon, we will have Pachyspoon. Iron city is Rustyspoon.

Anyone know any good spoon jokes?

Onward brave spoons!

 

[sunrise089]

Sorry guys, but I need at least a swap. I didn't realize I didn't have Warlords installed on this machine, and upon installing it I'm getting a runtime error trying to load the program itself. I don't know what I'll have to reinstall, but I won't be getting to it tonight. Sorry.

 

[Compromise]

No problem, sunrise. I think there might be some BtS assets that might have to be set correctly for the Warlords to work right.

That makes me up. I should be able to get some turns run tomorrow. Friday at the latest.

Given the range of suggestions for how to proceed, the only thing I'm sure of is that I will please no one!