SGOTM 09 - Xteam

[ShannonCT]

"We can build some workshops over forests now while building wealth/research and cash the hammers in as SS parts later." Please clarify, SCT. Do we reserve and then cash hammers by not completing the workshop and the chop until spaceship part is being built or can we go ahead and improve to a workshop but the hammers remain in reserve as long as we're building wealth or science?

If a city has enough food to work some workshops (1 more hammer and 1 less food than a lumber mill), we'll get more bpt by building the workshop now. Any chops that occur as a result of workshop being built can be saved by building wealth/research. The issue is worker availability in the last few turns. We need workers to chop the biggest parts at the end, and they may not be available to also chop thrusters and casings. But if we chop some forests now and store the hammers, we can build lots of thrusters and casings in the last couple turns without using up worker turns.

 

[Frederiksberg]

I have been looking at the coporation spread. Mining Inc is barely profitable at this stage so I suggest we only spread in these two cities:

Thebes
Dur-Kurigalzu

Spreading Standard Ethanol remains profitable for around 5 more turns. This means that we can spread to the following 13 cities:

Cuzco
Ephesus
kwaDukuza
Nampo
Tiwanaku
Knossos
Lagos
Evora
Pyongyang
Macchu Picchu
Lisbon
Guimaraes
Seul

It's a prioritized list, so we should try to spread to the cities at the top of the list first. It means that we must build around 2.5 SE execs for the next 5 turns.

I think it's too late for the coal plant in Macchu Picchu and the Grocer in Pharsalos so I suggest we build research in Macchu P. and SE exec in Pharsalos. Perhaps find one more city to build SE exec. Might as well get those 13 built ASAP.

When the current building finish I think we should stop building improvements except if we are missing lab in a designated space part city. Since we are then building very few city improvements it's time to change to Free Religion in two turns. Should we also change to Representation? Looks feasible now that we are done warring and it might give a few extra beakers.

EDIT: Actually it could be more than just a few if we decide to hire massive number of scientists in the last few turns maybe even accepting starvation in some cities.

 

[Frederiksberg]

On war issues I agree with the plan to make peace with Shaka now and with Stalin also next turn when we have Vladivostok.

We can then use our military to capture Hsung-nu, Vandal and Atlantis. Our GG we can use to get a couple of amphibious paratroopers for the assault on Atlantis. I suggest that we go for Atlantis last because it may require some sacrifices.

 

[Frederiksberg]

OK. I'll try to run enough research so that the treasury dwindles. Do we need Gold for anything later, besides spreading Corporations?

No

EDIT -
Looking things over, the trade of Smolensk for Vladivostok looks like a good one to me?
We gain Corn, Iron and Coal in exchange for Wheat and Ivory.

Smolensk means nothing. Let's go for Vladivostok.

6) Build a factory in Babylon before the observatory/lab. You can fire some specialists now. Babylon is a good place to build workshops over preserves and store hammers while building research.

Are we beelining Fusion? In that case I agree that we can fire specialists because we get the GEngineer we need to trigger the 3rd GA. Otherwise it would be nice to find out fast if we get a useable GP in Babylon or have to try for one more...

 

[ShannonCT]

Are we beelining Fusion? In that case I agree that we can fire specialists because we get the GEngineer we need to trigger the 3rd GA. Otherwise it would be nice to find out fast if we get a useable GP in Babylon or have to try for one more...

We'll get a GP there soon anyway because we have all the free specialists from National Park.

 

[Frederiksberg]

We'll get a GP there soon anyway because we have all the free specialists from National Park.

With only the free specialists we get the GP in 5 turns. And if he is an artist or a merchant we don't have time to grow another before the current GA ends.

Btw. it's actually better to finish Observatory before Factory. This is because we can get it in one turn and the factory only in 2-3. The beakers gained over 2-3 turns outweigh the hammers gained over 1 turn.

 

[leif erikson]

Are we beelining Fusion? In that case I agree that we can fire specialists because we get the GEngineer we need to trigger the 3rd GA. Otherwise it would be nice to find out fast if we get a useable GP in Babylon or have to try for one more...

Yes, I was about to post this same thought. The plan is to beeline Fusion because of the hammer cost of the engines, 1,072, with no production double bonus. Turning up the Reaserch in hammer heavy cities should help speed us there.
EDIT - We can also begin the conversion of Babylon now. The question is how many forests we need to save for the final push, all of them?

On Corporations, the problem I have been having is getting the executives to the city we want them in.
Cuzco, kwaDukuza, Nampo, Tiwanaku, Knossos, Pyongyang, Macchu Picchu and Seoul all require overseas transport and we have two airports. I'll look and find a way, somehow...

Planning to restart again in about one and a half hours from this post. Thanks for all the assistance.

 

[Cactus Pete]

Play 'til dawn, leif. The more you accomplish, the less time everyone is going to have to spend mentoring me. Experience = 1 Space game, in Vanilla, many moons ago.

 

[ShannonCT]

Play 'til dawn, leif. The more you accomplish, the less time everyone is going to have to spend mentoring me. Experience = 1 Space game, in Vanilla, many moons ago.

Maybe we can build a tower to space with all of your medals.

 

[leif erikson]

Play 'til dawn, leif. The more you accomplish, the less time everyone is going to have to spend mentoring me. Experience = 1 Space game, in Vanilla, many moons ago.

Yes, I'm about in the same boat, still looking for my oars.

OK, apologies for the delay. My daughter is taking an AP Biology course which requires summer work and she was having web site problems. Game is loading up as we prepare to continue.

 

[leif erikson]

Decide to call it a night.

Log thus far:
Reload the game and continue.

Dial up Shaka for a peace deal. He want to give us the city of Mlambongwenya, HBR, WM and 6 gpt. We do not want HBR, so I look at what cities would benefit us most. Babanango has Fish and Copper. Mlambongwenya has the possibility of Copper and will pen up Hlobane. Let’s see what he’ll give up? Go back to visit and ask for Babanango and he accepts. Set Babanango to build Library.

mm Corinth for growth and change build to Aqueduct
Change build in Athens to Research. Change Specialist from Engineer to Scientist.
Change Machu Picchu to Research and change all Specialists to Scientists.
Change build in Pharsalos to Std Ethanol Exec.
Change Coimbra from Wealth to Research.
Change Oporto from Wealth to Research.
Change Lisbon from Wealth to Research.
Change assigned Specialists in Babylon to all Scientists as we can have Observatory in 1-turn.
Computer is now due in 1 turn and we are losing 619 gpt.

With Peace, go back through cities to check mm.
Change a specialists in cities to Scientists.
Begin moving units north to prepare to attack Vandal.
Here we go!

IBT
Barbs sink our Trireme near Pharsalos.
We discover Computer=> Fiber Optics.
Sparta Std Ethanol Exec => Std Ethanol Exec.
Corinth Aqueduct => Research.
Thebes Harbor => Research.
Argos Chariot => Chariot.
Pharsalos Std Ethanol Exec. => Std Ethanol Exec. (won’t let me, must be a limit, set to Research)
Babylon Observatory => Factory, fire some specialists to gain Factory in 2 turns.
Akkad Std Ethanol Exec. => Std Ethanol Exec. (won’t let me, placeholder is Research)
Nippur Mining Inc Exec. => Research
Sippar Grocer => Aqueduct.
Cuzco Laboratory => Research.
Lagos University => Research.
Wonsan Grocer => Research.
Seoul Coal Plant => Granary
Evora Harbor => Research

Turn 155 – 1650 AD
Kill a Barb Galley near Pharsalos.
Fly a Mining Inc Exec to Thebes.
Spread Mining Inc to Dur-….
Move Std Ethanol Execs towards their assigned cities and to Athens and Sparta to “fly” them to their cities.

Recon Vandal and it contains 10 Rifles and a Spear.
Smolensk held as Russian troops only bombarded its culture.

Battle for Vladivostok
Para attacks LB at 99.4% and kills him, now at 20.9/24.
Para attacks LB at 99.4% and kills him, now at 9.8/24.
Para attacks Sword at 99.6% and kills him, now at 17.8/24.
Para attacks Axe at 99.9% and kills him, now at .
We capture the city along with 124 Gold. Set build to Library.
Gift city to Justinian.

Rebase two Airships to Emangweni to recon and harass Barb city of Hsung-Nu.
Rebase the remaining Airships to be able to attack Vandal.

Dial up Stalin and ask about peace. He wants to Capitulate and give us HBR. Instead I ask for Yakutsk and Military Tradition. He declines, so I back off of Military Tradition and he refuses again. So, let’s try for Rostov, which is close to Copper and he refuses. Let’s try Orenburg, no way. What a stubborn cuss. So I ask him to change his civics to Caste and Hereditary Rule for Peace and he accepts…

We trade Spices to Justinian in exchange for another Copper.

Decide to quit for the night. Post save and log for advice.

Save is attached. My two teenagers are heading off for a weekend trip with some friends tomorrow, so should have some time tomorrow night to continue.

 

[Cactus Pete]

Godd show, leif.

BTW, what AP Bio course requires what kind of summer work?

 

[leif erikson]

BTW, what AP Bio course requires what kind of summer work?

She will start her junior year in High School this Fall and her teacher wants all the students to be at a certain level of knowledge to begin the course. Before leaving school, she was given a book, entitled AP Biology, that she has to do assignments from and send the results to the teacher via email by certain dates. In addition, there is a web site she must go to that has online quizzes and exams she is required to complete, also with a schedule. Being a teenager, she doesn't think I need to know much about it...

Her deadline was today but she left with friends for the weekend this morning so had to get the work completed last night. Wouldn't want to get ahead too far you know... The web site is optimized for Internet Explorer and she was trying to use Firefox and her sessions kept timing out. Once I got her using IE, everything started working the way it was supposed to.

The work she has to do, as far as I can see, is probably equivalent to a half of a semester's content. She will have an interesting year coming up, I think.

 

[Frederiksberg]

Looking good.

Granary in Seul can never earn back hammers spent and the same goes for about any building. Library in Babanango may be an exception. Btw. you can fire the artists there now.

There is a 4 unit cap on execs so you can't build any more before they are finished. Perhaps build some execs in Athens and Sparta (next turn) so that they can be airlifted immediately to avoid delays.

We should switch civics next turn. Free Religion+Representation.

 

[leif erikson]

Granary in Seul can never earn back hammers spent and the same goes for about any building. Library in Babanango may be an exception. Btw. you can fire the artists there now.

Currently, Seoul is at -4 food because of health. We scheduled an Observatory and a Laboratory there. The Laboratory will make it -5 food. This does not allow us to Workshops on some of the grass tiles without causing it to starve.

I selected Granary, because with the Banana, it will provide a +4 health, so there will be only a -1 food after it is built, supporting 5 grass tile workshops.

If this all comes too late, then we should complete Lumber Mills and pre-chop the forests for when we need their hammers.

There is a 4 unit cap on execs so you can't build any more before they are finished. Perhaps build some execs in Athens and Sparta (next turn) so that they can be airlifted immediately to avoid delays.

Yes, it is a pain when I cannot use most of them in one turn.

We should switch civics next turn. Free Religion+Representation.

OK.

 

[ShannonCT]

It looks to me like we can finish research in 8 turns and launch in 9. I think we've got to forget about building more corp execs or conquering barb cities. Use up the current 5 execs and that's it.

The benefit of Representation is going to be very minimal with so few specialists and the civic maintenance being 23 gpt higher.

Use our galleons in the Atlantic to transfer African workers back to the Americas. Prechop forests near Seoul, Babylon, Sippar, Corinth, Athens, Lisbon, Cuzco, Dur, Wonsan, etc.

I've worked out where we can build most SS parts:

Corinth: Cockpit (2 turns) and Engine (3) with chops
Athens: Engine (3) with chops
Seoul: Stasis Chamber (1) with chops and lab
Sippar: Docking Bay (2) and Life Support (1) with chops and lab
Pharsalos: Casing (3)
Argos: Casing (3)
Lisbon: Casing (3)
Coimbra: Casing (3) with chop
Cuzco: Casing (3) with chops

If Genetics and Ecology are researched in 1 turn each after Composites, Casings need to be built in 3 turns or fewer. 5 Thrusters can be built in quite a few different cities in 4-5 turns without chops or fewer with chops.

 

[Frederiksberg]

Suggest we mine the copper in Kangelas FC. And fire the artists.

Currently, Seoul is at -4 food because of health. We scheduled an Observatory and a Laboratory there. The Laboratory will make it -5 food. This does not allow us to Workshops on some of the grass tiles without causing it to starve.

I didn't consider that you were building workshops there. In that case the granary makes sense to increase health.

The benefit of Representation is going to be very minimal with so few specialists and the civic maintenance being 23 gpt higher.

Even a minimal benefit is worth picking up since it doesn't cost us anything to do the civic change. Right now we have around 30 specialist and that means 90 bpt extra per turn. And it gives us the option to MM for more specialist in some cities that don't have many valuable improvements.

 

[Frederiksberg]

I think we've got to forget about building more corp execs or conquering barb cities. Use up the current 5 execs and that's it.

Why? Standard Ethanol is profitable if it's spread with 4 turns or more to the end of research. With 8 turns left it seems that there is enough time to get a few more out.

Conquering barb cities can be done in parallel to the other activities so why not continue?

 

[Frederiksberg]

I noticed that CRC have finished. They have no doubt won the gold. Our chance for a laurel is to edge in before Murky or CFR. Let's hope they have played some long final sets .

 

[Frederiksberg]

Suggest we build Hermitage for one turn in each of the following cities to take advantage of stored (and otherwise lost) overflow and double production speed w. marble:

kwaDukuza
Macchu Picchu
Pusan
Delphi
Leiria

And then build it in Nippur to cash in