SGOTM 10 - One Short Straw

babybluepants · Dec 3, 2009

@mdy,

That's the exact opposite of what I was thinking. :lol:

I thought we would clear off our continent, then hit Shanghai and Beijing with ICBMs and go after the rest of Mao's land with 25 cossacks and tacticals. At the same time, build up another 25-30 cossacks, aiming to land them near Shanghai and move on Churchill. The reasoning being that Mao is the biggest and Church the most tech advanced of the AIs. Gandhi and Roos are goners already, having lost their cores, and DG is hopelessly backward. He'll barely even make it to rifles by the end, while Church already has a healthy stack of Redcoats and is probably turns away from infantry. I'm not particularly adept at late-game conquest, though, so I might be completely wrong.

shyuhe · Dec 3, 2009

I would go after Mao first. We need subs to attack the barb continent whereas we can base our tactical nukes out of Churchill's cities when going after Mao.

We can use US after radio. We can use the plunder money to rush buy nukes or something.

mdy · Dec 3, 2009

We can't run PS without fascism. US won't do us much good without a large cash surplus so we may as well stay in representation for now (but maybe switch to US later).

I suggested attacking De Gaulle on the principle that it is usually quickest to attack the AI's furthest away first, but as we are nuking everything it might be more efficient to attack Mao and fight on two fronts.

mdy · Dec 3, 2009

I'm not going to be able to play now. Can you take it RRR?

RRRaskolnikov · Dec 3, 2009

mdy said:
I'm not going to be able to play now. Can you take it RRR?

I can play in a couple of hours...
Do we go for Mao or DG finally? I would go for the one who doesn't get dowed by Churchill. I finish Gandhi mainland cities and take peace with him right?

babybluepants · Dec 3, 2009

Peace with Gandhi, yes... I'm for Mao next, but I'm cool with team consensus. We can launch that assault as soon as we have enough galleons and galleon protection near Yekaterinburg. 25 cossacks should be enough for starters. I'd rebase the airships to China right away to locate his SOD... I'd leave DG alone for now. He's not a threat, and we can walk over there through Churchill later... Other option - Churchill declares on DG at an opportune moment, and we smack down with his redcoat stack away?

shyuhe · Dec 3, 2009

Two nukes on Churchill's stack should wipe it out so it's not much of an issue. I'd go after Mao first since he has some land that we may actually still be able to put to use. And peace after taking Gandhi's mainland cities sounds right. We can stay with the current civics.

mdy · Dec 3, 2009

I'm fine with attacking Mao first.

RRRaskolnikov · Dec 3, 2009

Playing now... Will hit Mao a bit as it seems he is the most popular target.

RRRaskolnikov · Dec 3, 2009

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RRRaskolnikov · Dec 3, 2009

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Got rather consumed by the passion of war :blush:

... played 39 turns... I hope you don't mind, there are still plenty of work to do

Automated all cities once we finished radio. Enphasis on production.
Captured most of what used to be China, 3 mainland cities left though, an one island to grab. If someone can explain to me why we can't nuke Washington (is this somekind of hardcoded joke from Firaxis? :lol:

), would be great, I tryed everything, moving all units in every tiles, nothing changed. Then I thought Mao needed at least 5% culture in the city to be nuked, but nope. Neither a tactical or an ICBM works :confused:

I hope I am just tired and missing something...

Anyway, There is a sub loaded with nukes to finish the most northern city, and the ICBM in Moscow is planned to hit Ghanzhou. Remember to not let any troops in the 8 tiles next to the nuked tile (you might loose some troops otherwise :mischief:

). Also, fallouts aren't permanent, which is cool... definately no need for ecology.

I've started building some guided missiles as they can complement nicely tacticals and cavs. Sometimes one nuke doesn't clean everything, and cavs take loss.

Also, sub needs to be in a city to be loaded with missiles... just in case you are like me and didn't know

Ras

edit: forgot to mention: Finally went for fascism to enable Rushmore, which completed last turn

I switched in US but maybe PS is better now?
edit2: If I read the graphs correctly, we are 3rd in score at the save :lol:

We must finish it guys!

babybluepants · Dec 3, 2009

Dude, that is one awesome turnset! :goodjob:

5 hours!

The Washington thing is bizzare... :confused:

It's saying "can't nuke friendly territory"? Did Roosevelt recapture it and there's a graphic glitch or something?

RRRaskolnikov said:
Got rather consumed by the passion of war ... played 39 turns... I hope you don't mind, there are still plenty of work to do

Certainly don't mind.

RRRaskolnikov said:
Remember to not let any troops in the 8 tiles next to the nuked tile (you might loose some troops otherwise ).

What did you do? :nono:

RRRaskolnikov · Dec 3, 2009

babybluepants said:
The Washington thing is bizzare... It's saying "can't nuke friendly territory"? Did Roosevelt recapture it and there's a graphic glitch or something?

I don't think so... iirc there are chinese riflemen in it (4 cavs are close to the city in case it's finally possible to nuke it)

What did you do?

Something bad... :hide:

edit: stuff i forgot to report - both Churchill and DG are in war mode (they both switched out of this mode during the set, then changed their mind), two airships are in constant reco mission to monitor this. In case of emergency, I say nuke the incoming fleet :goodjob:

(there is another sub loaded with nukes in front of the english and french coasts), Beijing needs its stack as garison to prevent a brit revolt... it happened some turns ago already, not sure we can allow ourself another one. The stack was just sufficient some turns ago, maybe we can remove some units now to help with the conquest... need to check that at least

. In case we think it's safe, we can move all cavs near Ganzhou, and take that city in two turns, then come back in Beijing.

mdy · Dec 4, 2009

It does look like we can't nuke Washington for cultural reasons. We can just leave it till we are ready to go after Rooservolt.

I also think we should open up a second front against the island cities so we can finish sooner.

I don't think cities will revolt once they have been captured so a large garrisson should not be necessary.

I don't think we need to worry about a DOW from DG/Churchill due to the power gap.

RRRaskolnikov · Dec 4, 2009

mdy said:
It does look like we can't nuke Washington for cultural reasons. We can just leave it till we are ready to go after Rooservolt.

I hope you are right and I was just wrong on the threshold... is this documented somewhere?

I also think we should open up a second front against the island cities so we can finish sooner.

I don't think cities will revolt once they have been captured so a large garrisson should not be necessary.

I don't think we need to worry about a DOW from DG/Churchill due to the power gap.

All good points... In this case (no city flip), Mao should be done quite fast (less than 10 turns I guess). We should definately start to do small stacks to hit islands. Churchill has teched combustion, so it's up to you if you we need our own boats to defeat him. Maybe a last round of representation would be usefull in this case.

RRRaskolnikov · Dec 4, 2009

PM from bestsss, tx to him :goodjob:

bestsss said:
you can't nuke anything if the tile or any adjacent tiles prevalent culture is neither yours, nor a civ you are at war with. Or contains some 3rd party units.

you will have to declare 1st, then you can nuke.

edit: It might be a good reason to blitz Roos after Mao :lol:

(j/k, I think Churchill is best...)

shyuhe · Dec 4, 2009

Who's up. Or rather who can play :lol:

Anybody up for some stress relief via nukes?

Nice set RRR :goodjob:

I say we pound on Churchill next while preparing for the second front against the islands. We should go after the small ones first since they require minimal troops.

babybluepants · Dec 4, 2009

shyuhe said:
Who's up. Or rather who can play

How many nukes do we need to drop per day?

I think we might just finish this game yet, especially if we string together a few more 40t sets.

The culture-nuke thing makes sense. There's no rush to take Washington.

I'd take the 2 remaining mainland cities from Mao, and than go straight after Churchill.

Any tips on warfare, RRRaskolnikov? I'd just say that it's much easier to move in with cossacks on the same turn that you nuke. The odds are overwhelming then, but drop quite a bit next turn. What were your losses? I see we're down 13 cossacks since my set, but you suggested that some of them were from friendly fire. :lol:

I'd waste an ICBM or two to bust up Churchill's stacks if there's opportunity.

Whatever happened to global warming?

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