SGOTM 11 - Team Newbie
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archphoenix
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my opinion, ..., maybe just a nonsense: 
lean slightly towards max write,
Write:
we will sure don't get write monopoly.(china like it very much in some environment). but we are likely to get Philosophy first, since the india and Egpty as AIs, we have some chance to exchange myst with write, and poly with Philosophy,so ...
Mansony:
the france, korea likes to research math, so In this game maybe we can't get Math monopoly.though the catapults is so powerful..., and IIRC, the korea likes currency very much.
Myst:
we only want wheel to see whether horse nearby currently,and can't exchange IW with Myst.
even there is horse on our peninsula, maybe we don't need it within 24 turns?(maybe 20 turns).
and without embassies, does it too early for drifting into war?
edit:
does this is a non-goody-hut map?
lean slightly towards max write,
Write:
we will sure don't get write monopoly.(china like it very much in some environment). but we are likely to get Philosophy first, since the india and Egpty as AIs, we have some chance to exchange myst with write, and poly with Philosophy,so ...
Mansony:
the france, korea likes to research math, so In this game maybe we can't get Math monopoly.though the catapults is so powerful..., and IIRC, the korea likes currency very much.
Myst:
we only want wheel to see whether horse nearby currently,and can't exchange IW with Myst.
even there is horse on our peninsula, maybe we don't need it within 24 turns?(maybe 20 turns).
and without embassies, does it too early for drifting into war?
edit:
does this is a non-goody-hut map?
Taxpayer'sMoney
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What has Ulundi produced? A worker? How long till the moo is irrigated? If we set science and lux to zero what is our max gpt? If we use 8gpt to buy mysticism, what happens to happiness and how much gpt do we have left over?
I was definately leaning towards writing myself for the reasons Archphoenix gives. Although we can also afford the Mysticism trade but it would be tight and would basically stop research until the debt was paid. We are currently pulling 9-13 commerce per turn depending on tiles worked (all bar 1gpt of which goes into science) at the moment. We will need additional cash for lux tax and maintainance as we expand but this will be covered by additional trade earned.
In terms of Ulunid I will post a full turn log and yes, after much deliberation, I switched the build from a scout to a worker. I did this because Ulundi did not have a 2 food tile to work when it got to size 2 and also because we have a lot of worker jobs to do. My view is that it is always good to have enough workers so that you never work unimproved tiles.
I did find a hut (just popped this turn after discovering alphabet) but was disappointed to get only a map of the local area.
In terms of Ulunid I will post a full turn log and yes, after much deliberation, I switched the build from a scout to a worker. I did this because Ulundi did not have a 2 food tile to work when it got to size 2 and also because we have a lot of worker jobs to do. My view is that it is always good to have enough workers so that you never work unimproved tiles.
I did find a hut (just popped this turn after discovering alphabet) but was disappointed to get only a map of the local area.
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Wardancer said:
I agree we should go for writing too, if only so you spell definitely correctly the next time! Don't worry team - Wardancer and I are friends (in RL) really, it's just healthy banter.
PaperBeetle
Emperor
Mmm, I think the Mysticism trade is too all-or-nothing, and also distracts us from the plan we have been leaning towards so far (that we scam some techs from the AI for temporary gpt while setting the blocs against each other).
The choice between Maths and Writing is a close one though. Although there are civs who might research Maths, I think we have an outside chance at monopoly on it, followed by a virtually certain monopoly on Currency.
But in the end I vote for [br]Writing[/b]. I am eager to see what these blocs are doing about each other, and they sound weak enough that we can start the world war whenever we feel ready.
With regards to starting these wars off, when should we do it? After Philosophy? The trouble is that we won't have any cash between now and then, and we will need a little to set up an embassy or two. Also, to make the most of the tech-for-gpt gag, we will need as many citizens as possible (max temporary empire gpt is roughly equal to 2 x (citizens + towns)).
And how should we do it? Well, just dowing civ X won't bring his friends in too. We need to take offensive action to do that. Pillaging an improvement with a scout sounds like the easiest option.
The choice between Maths and Writing is a close one though. Although there are civs who might research Maths, I think we have an outside chance at monopoly on it, followed by a virtually certain monopoly on Currency.
But in the end I vote for [br]Writing[/b]. I am eager to see what these blocs are doing about each other, and they sound weak enough that we can start the world war whenever we feel ready.
Getting a Monarchy slingshot would be quite a steal! If we can get it, should we switch to Monarchy? (I say yes absolutely). If no Polytheism but someone has done Laws, and we can slingshot to Republic, do we switch to that government? (I say yes possibly).archphoenix said:
With regards to starting these wars off, when should we do it? After Philosophy? The trouble is that we won't have any cash between now and then, and we will need a little to set up an embassy or two. Also, to make the most of the tech-for-gpt gag, we will need as many citizens as possible (max temporary empire gpt is roughly equal to 2 x (citizens + towns)).
And how should we do it? Well, just dowing civ X won't bring his friends in too. We need to take offensive action to do that. Pillaging an improvement with a scout sounds like the easiest option.
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Wardancer said:
Well I don't know about that, since I'm not really sure what "grammer" is. Grammar I do understand, but you'll have to tell me what grammer is.
PaperBeetle
Emperor
Wardancer said:
Ah, so many jobs for so few workers, and more workers on the ground means less pop in the towns for the gpt deals
.We also need to get the Great East Road underway: east from Zimbabwe, probably passing through some new towns as it goes, and then turning north into the isthmus. Where we choose to make our stand depends on how strong the AI look by that time: if we expect to encounter some actual resistance, then we should fight defensively for a while, at the southern end of the isthmus where our lines of reinforcement are short. On the other hand, if they are still looking feeble, we can set up a staging post at the north end of the isthmus and go raiding; capturing or razing towns on the continent.
Bucephalus
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Taxpayer'sMoney said:
It's Grandpa's wife!
Lol, well I have now completed the turn set and uploaded.
Here is the detailed turn log for anyone that wants to review it but I will summarise it at a bit later today.
Before the next person plays I think we need to take a step back, dot map our city placement and work on our medium term strategy a little.
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Turn 1
i) Worker moves
None
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (E,E)
Johnny Cash (W,NW)
Bob Dylan (SE,E)
iii) Town micro
Zimbabwe (3/6/4) – 5 waste!
Ulundi (2/1/3) – after much debating switch scout to worker
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 4/4/2
Alphabet 10 turns (3 beakers)
One gpt
v) Inter-turn
Worker completes road on gems
Worker 2 (Locke) completes road on desert next to lake town (Ulundi)
Zimbabwe builds settler
Turn 2
i) Worker moves
Worker 1 beings to irrigate desert next to Ulundi
Worker 2 (Locke) moves N to desert next to Ulundi and begins to irrigate
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (SE,S)
Johnny Cash (W,SW)
Bob Dylan (SE,S)
Settler (NE,N)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/5/4) – New build is warrior (2 turns)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 2/8/0
Alphabet 6 turns (5 beakers)
Nil gpt
v) Inter-turn
No events
Turn 3
i) Worker moves
None
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (SE,S)
Johnny Cash (S,S) – mis-click (luckily not on the settler!)
Bob Dylan (S)
Settler (Founds Bapedi)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/5/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (1/2/2) – thought about making it (0/2/5) but decided the food wood pay off. Made the first build a rax.
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 2/8/0
Alphabet 4 turns (7 beakers)
1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Zimbabwe completes warrior
Workers complete road on desert
Turn 4
Koreans have worker for sale but we have nothing to offer.
i) Worker moves
Workers both move to plain and begin to irrigate
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (S,W) – Sees some freshwater
Johnny Cash (W,SW)
Bob Dylan (S)
Warrior – fortifies in Zimbabwe for mil pol.
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (1/4/8) – New build is scout
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (1/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 1/9/0
Alphabet 2 turns (12 beakers)
Nil gpt
v) Inter-turn
No events
Turn 5
Korean worker still for sale
i) Worker moves
None
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (S,SE) – sees hut on Mountain
Johnny Cash (E,SE)
Bob Dylan (SE,SE)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/7/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 7/3/0
Alphabet 1 turn (3 beakers)
5 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Discover Alpha, no AI have writing yet. New research goal is writing.
Zimbabwe grows and builds scout
Ulundi builds worker
Workers complete irrigation on plains
Turn 6
i) Worker moves
Workers move to cow and begin to irrigate
New worker moves to cow
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (E,NE) – Pops hut but only gets maps of the region
Johnny Cash (N,N)
Bob Dylan (E,SE)
New scout renamed Tim Westwood (S,E)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (2/5/6) – New build is settler
Ulundi (2/1/3) – New build is another worker
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 22 turns (11 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
No events
Turn 7
Arabia now have two workers for sale.
i) Worker moves
New Worker (from now on worker3) moves SE to bg
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (S,SW)
Johnny Cash (E,E)
Bob Dylan (NE,NE)
Tim Westwood (E,E)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (4/5/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 26 turns (9 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Workers1&2 complete irrigation on cow
Turn 8
Arabian Workers no longer for sale but Korean worker is back on sale.
i) Worker moves
Worker1&2 SE to BG
Worker3 begins road on BG
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (SW,S) - Finds the bottom of our continent.
Johnny Cash (NE,N)
Bob Dylan (N,N)
Tim Westwood (E,E)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (4/7/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 25 turns (9 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Zimbabwe grows
Turn 9
Now both Russia and Korea have a worker for sale. This is either the start of the barbs or there is a war going on.
i) Worker moves
Worker1&2 begin the mine on the BG
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (N,N)
Johnny Cash (N,N)
Bob Dylan (NE,N)
Tim Westwood (NE,N)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/7/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 24 turns (9 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
No events
Turn 10
Now only Russia and Chine lack Mysticism. No workers are for sale. The two alliance blocks have made peace?
i) Worker moves
None
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (N,NE)
Johnny Cash (NE,N)
Bob Dylan (E,NE)
Tim Westwood (N,N)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/7/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 23 turns (9 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Zimbabwe produces settler – New build is axe followed by settler (6 turn combo factory small size for one turn).
Here is the detailed turn log for anyone that wants to review it but I will summarise it at a bit later today.
Before the next person plays I think we need to take a step back, dot map our city placement and work on our medium term strategy a little.
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Turn 1
i) Worker moves
None
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (E,E)
Johnny Cash (W,NW)
Bob Dylan (SE,E)
iii) Town micro
Zimbabwe (3/6/4) – 5 waste!
Ulundi (2/1/3) – after much debating switch scout to worker
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 4/4/2
Alphabet 10 turns (3 beakers)
One gpt
v) Inter-turn
Worker completes road on gems
Worker 2 (Locke) completes road on desert next to lake town (Ulundi)
Zimbabwe builds settler
Turn 2
i) Worker moves
Worker 1 beings to irrigate desert next to Ulundi
Worker 2 (Locke) moves N to desert next to Ulundi and begins to irrigate
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (SE,S)
Johnny Cash (W,SW)
Bob Dylan (SE,S)
Settler (NE,N)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/5/4) – New build is warrior (2 turns)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 2/8/0
Alphabet 6 turns (5 beakers)
Nil gpt
v) Inter-turn
No events
Turn 3
i) Worker moves
None
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (SE,S)
Johnny Cash (S,S) – mis-click (luckily not on the settler!)
Bob Dylan (S)
Settler (Founds Bapedi)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/5/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (1/2/2) – thought about making it (0/2/5) but decided the food wood pay off. Made the first build a rax.
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 2/8/0
Alphabet 4 turns (7 beakers)
1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Zimbabwe completes warrior
Workers complete road on desert
Turn 4
Koreans have worker for sale but we have nothing to offer.
i) Worker moves
Workers both move to plain and begin to irrigate
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (S,W) – Sees some freshwater
Johnny Cash (W,SW)
Bob Dylan (S)
Warrior – fortifies in Zimbabwe for mil pol.
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (1/4/8) – New build is scout
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (1/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 1/9/0
Alphabet 2 turns (12 beakers)
Nil gpt
v) Inter-turn
No events
Turn 5
Korean worker still for sale
i) Worker moves
None
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (S,SE) – sees hut on Mountain
Johnny Cash (E,SE)
Bob Dylan (SE,SE)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/7/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 7/3/0
Alphabet 1 turn (3 beakers)
5 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Discover Alpha, no AI have writing yet. New research goal is writing.
Zimbabwe grows and builds scout
Ulundi builds worker
Workers complete irrigation on plains
Turn 6
i) Worker moves
Workers move to cow and begin to irrigate
New worker moves to cow
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (E,NE) – Pops hut but only gets maps of the region
Johnny Cash (N,N)
Bob Dylan (E,SE)
New scout renamed Tim Westwood (S,E)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (2/5/6) – New build is settler
Ulundi (2/1/3) – New build is another worker
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 22 turns (11 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
No events
Turn 7
Arabia now have two workers for sale.
i) Worker moves
New Worker (from now on worker3) moves SE to bg
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (S,SW)
Johnny Cash (E,E)
Bob Dylan (NE,NE)
Tim Westwood (E,E)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (4/5/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 26 turns (9 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Workers1&2 complete irrigation on cow
Turn 8
Arabian Workers no longer for sale but Korean worker is back on sale.
i) Worker moves
Worker1&2 SE to BG
Worker3 begins road on BG
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (SW,S) - Finds the bottom of our continent.
Johnny Cash (NE,N)
Bob Dylan (N,N)
Tim Westwood (E,E)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (4/7/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 25 turns (9 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Zimbabwe grows
Turn 9
Now both Russia and Korea have a worker for sale. This is either the start of the barbs or there is a war going on.
i) Worker moves
Worker1&2 begin the mine on the BG
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (N,N)
Johnny Cash (N,N)
Bob Dylan (NE,N)
Tim Westwood (NE,N)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/7/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 24 turns (9 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
No events
Turn 10
Now only Russia and Chine lack Mysticism. No workers are for sale. The two alliance blocks have made peace?
i) Worker moves
None
ii) Unit moves
Tom Waits (N,NE)
Johnny Cash (NE,N)
Bob Dylan (E,NE)
Tim Westwood (N,N)
iii) Town Micro
Zimbabwe (3/7/4)
Ulundi (2/1/3)
Bapedi (2/2/2)
iv) Empire Micro
Put empire on 10/0/0
Writing 23 turns (9 beakers)
-1 gpt
v) Inter-turn
Zimbabwe produces settler – New build is axe followed by settler (6 turn combo factory small size for one turn).
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
Whose is the border that we can see at the top of the screenshot?
archphoenix
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get save.
I have no technology on dotmap, so throw some advice please. and any other advices. the more the better.
and I will sleep first now... (23:20)
I have no technology on dotmap, so throw some advice please. and any other advices. the more the better.
and I will sleep first now... (23:20)
archphoenix
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in later 10 turns or more, we need discuss something like these:
1.where to settler the 4th citys and 5th citys.
2.if some two or more learn write, do we buy then sell to others or just keep oure research?
3.when the chockpoint need military to block, considering of barbarian.
and I have no idea for these, ask for advice:
1.does the scout should enter AI territory,or carefully walk around?
2.WHEN the first wave babarian will appear, whether it's necessary defend EVERY citys then?
3.after Bapedi build barracks, do it focus onmilitary(archer or warrior) or worker?
and the 4th and 5th city focus on what too?
4.where is the dotmap tools, I can't find it in utility forums?
regard
1.where to settler the 4th citys and 5th citys.
2.if some two or more learn write, do we buy then sell to others or just keep oure research?
3.when the chockpoint need military to block, considering of barbarian.
and I have no idea for these, ask for advice:
1.does the scout should enter AI territory,or carefully walk around?
2.WHEN the first wave babarian will appear, whether it's necessary defend EVERY citys then?
3.after Bapedi build barracks, do it focus onmilitary(archer or warrior) or worker?
and the 4th and 5th city focus on what too?
4.where is the dotmap tools, I can't find it in utility forums?
regard
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
archphoenix said:
1) The first time you enter, they will ask you to leave. Just ignore them, and they will go away.
(like they do with a curragh).2) The military advisor will tell you which city they are near; treat it like an AI invasion (ie no co-ordinated military strategy), and protect only those cities within danger.
3) I haven't got a save to examine so I cannot advise, but I would guess at a military build, else why build barracks?
4) As far as I know, there is no utility for this. Take a screenshot, then paste it in to a graphics program ('Paint' is OK if you are running Windows XP).
Then you just manually paint in the dots on the screenshot, save and upload.
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
@team: Sorry for the lack of input so far, I've had a really busy couple of weeks, but things are easing-up a bit now. If someone can point me in the direction of a save, I will attempt to put together a dotmap.
archphoenix
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follow
"http://gotm.civfanatics.net"
-->
click left bar "SGOTM Results"
or just here:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm11/Team_Newbie_SG011_BC2150_01.SAV
edit:
I find a utility that provide such fuction, does it a dotmap system?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/61567/dotmap_example.JPG
"http://gotm.civfanatics.net"
-->
click left bar "SGOTM Results"
or just here:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm11/Team_Newbie_SG011_BC2150_01.SAV
edit:
I find a utility that provide such fuction, does it a dotmap system?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/61567/dotmap_example.JPG
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