SGOTM 12 - One Short Straw

[Mitchum]

Nationalism's 10%

It is a 25% bonus...

That's what happens when you type messages while sitting in a pew waiting for church to start...

I assumed that we would give the gold to Fish and work sci instead of 0f Hammer tiles.

I assume that you mean when running 0% science, right? When running 100% science, it makes more sense to work the gold in Moscow and hire an extra merchant in Fish, especially under Bureaucracy.

@ mdy Good luck!!

 

[Mitchum]

Wait. You're gifting Bing-Mao to China, not France, right? We'll eventually want St Nick for other purposes, so we don't want to leave Mao here forever or create another iceball for him. France is already iceballed...

EDIT: I see that you're worried about the diplo hit, but I think putting Mao here is better...

 

[bcool]

We can always take it back from France and gift it to Mao if we need too.

 

[bcool]

mdy if you haven't started playing

LC had a neat idea to whip a spy in Steam, that I don't see it your plan.

Steam;
Continue building wealth.

Hastings:
T+0:whip courthouse
whip galley
whip Jewish missionary for Paris
T+1:Build Jewish missionary

I assume you mean Confu missionary. And if you start a missionary T+1 you will waste the hammers the missionary has to finish before we switch out of OR.

You could whip the courthouse, galley and missionary this turn but could only finish one. And if you don't finish the missionary this turn it would go to waste

 

[mdy]

The idea of gifting Bing Mao to Fance is to get rid of a city which will only be a drain on our resources without incurring any diplo demerits with Rooservelt.

How can we whip a spy in steam given that we are gifting it to Churchill on T+1?

I am aware of the missionary situation. I meant we would whip it on T+0, which would result in it being completed on T+1 before we switched civics.

 

[bcool]

right, whipping the spy next turn would produce a spy for churchill I guess, my bad.

ok on missionary whipping then, but Moscow could build 1 this turn and more missionaries instead of wealth since it has a monastery once the missionaries we build T+0 attempt to spread the religion somewhere.

missionaries pay back more than wealth build would, but of course wealth building is better if needed for immediate research needs-like finishing RR 1 turn earlier with wealth build.

edit: sorry, but if we are building missionaries in Moscow, 2 pop whipping a missionary in Hastings might not make sense unless we really need Moscow to build wealth for RR research.

 

[Mitchum]

The idea of gifting Bing Mao to Fance is to get rid of a city which will only be a drain on our resources without incurring any diplo demerits with Rooservelt.

Another idea would be to hang on to it for one more turn and then give it to Churchill...

 

[LowtherCastle]

The idea in Steam was to build the spy this turn, just in case you didn't capture all the cities you were planning to on T+1, so that you wouldn't gift Steam till T+2.

 

[bcool]

Gifting Mao Bing to Churchill might be better than DeGaulle since DeG is the worst enemy of Gandhi. And while we are going to war with Gandhi shortly, he might cancel the trades for fish/clams when he can in a few turns if our relationship gets worse. Although this is unlikely I think.

 

[mdy]

The 3 city limit will cause problems with gifting Churchill Bing Mao unless we want to keep it for a few more turns.

The Hastings missionary is heading to Paris so we can spread Judaism, build a temple and hire another prophet to increase our chances of getting a GP here if we miss one in London. The only other city which might benefit from Confunicisim is Bahamas and our galley won't be free to transport a missionary there for a while.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Just gift Bing-Mao to Mao and don't worry about the negmods.

 

[mdy]

How much more difficult would it be to get Rooservelt to pleased if we gifted Bing Mao to Mao.

 

[LowtherCastle]

How much more difficult would it be to get Rooservelt to pleased if we gifted Bing Mao to Mao.

It simply depends on whether we stay at -2, go to -3 or got -4.

Confu + 10t at -2
Confu + 20t at -3
Not happening at -4

There's also the possiblity of our spy getting caught and getting another negmod for causing a nuisance.

 

[bcool]

Why not gift to DeG and then capture it and gift to Mao when we know it won't be a problem.

the odds that Roosy targets us with a war is a function of our relationship with him, so if we go to annoyed with him it makes it much more likely. I think we want to avoid a war with him.

 

[LowtherCastle]

If gifting dG will work, then that sounds fine to me also. Whatever works. That will probably give us a negmod with Gandhi and send him down to Annoyed with us, but I don't think that's a problem because there's still plenty of room and dG will remain his WE. In other words, he'll still trade us techs and resources (except for strategic resources).

 

[mdy]

Unfortunately my Christmas plans have changed at the last moment, and I will be away from tomorrow till the 4th of January, I could play before then but I would have to play fairly quickly which is not ideal for a turnset this complex. In the circumstances it would probably be best if someone else took the save.

 

[babybluepants]

Ok, mdy. Have fun!

bcool, can you take it and play soon? Otherwise, it would be LC.

how is everyone else for time next week? I'm super busy right now, but I'll have loads of time as of the coming weekend.

 

[bcool]

I can take the save, but if mdy triggered the GA or made any other changes he needs to upload it.

I have a lot of time now, I'm off work for the next 2 weeks (it is nice being a teacher )

 

[LowtherCastle]

Right, mdy, you should just upload it over the previous save of the same date on the SG server.

Bummer that you can't play, since you had it all worked out in your mind. I think we're moving fast enough anyway, that we shouldn't have problems finishing on time.

 

[babybluepants]

Ok, great, bcool. Yeah, I think we're moving along just about fast enough.

ROSTER

bcool Played T40-48 T96-115 T152-164 UP
LowtherCastle Played T48-57 T115-135 T164-178 ON DECK
babybluepants Played T27-40 T75-90 T140-152 T178-189
Mitchum Played T0-27 T90-96 T189-205 JUST PLAYED
mdy Played T57-75 T135-140
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