Wait, is an immediate CF consensus now? I thought we were still discussing just taking Beijing.
SGOTM 12 - One Short Straw
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Mitchum
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I must have missed this from your report as well...
What about giving De Gaulle St Nicks as a temporary holding spot until we have a better oportunity to create a proper ice ball? I looks like it will take some turns for Churchill to get to Lyons, so we could use that as a backup plan if we don't want to build the settler right now...Mitchum
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I was going to suggest that we could possibly take Beijing in T+1 and then CF to ensure that we don't lose it while we heal up.
bcool
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But we are getting reinforcements, so I don't think we really are weakening our stack significantly hitting Nanjing. We might be able to draft from Rheims if we need some cannon fodder soon to.
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Sorry. It's done. All our units are back in Shanghai. I didn't hesitate to do that because no matter what we needed the two trebs that can't cross the border till next turn. So it doesn't matter whether our other units wait next to Beijing or join them, right? This way, we have the choice of going for Nanjing, now, or waiting to DoW next turn and praying that Beijing empties some units out.
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The problem with that was that I wanted our spy to start his 5t wait immediately. If dG doesn't own it, then we don't risk our spy.I must have missed this from your report as well...
It doesn't really matter now, because for the time being, Churchill's units have retreated.
Didn't have the trebpower or the manpower to do it on T+1.
bcool
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did the musket win?
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Uploaded again. Since you guys are giving me serious feedback, I'm not going to hurry things. Now you can take a good look at what we have, mostly in Shanghai, with the medic and two trebs a couple of tiles away.
Decision 1: Upgrade 1 or 2 swords or not?
Decision 2: DoW immediately and attack Nanjing?
Decision 3: DoW next turn and attack Beijing?
Think about it carefully. Personally, I'm not certain we have enough to handle Beijing yet. I thnk we'd need about 11 trebs to be certain. So my judgment would be to go with bcool's plan, which seems to postpone Beijing about 3-4t.
I also agree with bcool, that barring really bad RNG, we should not be weakening our stack too much, and in the four intervening turns we'll be getting four new CRII trebs.
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xpost: Yes, the musket won and is now 3.2/9HP.
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Here is your Session Turn Log from 1110 AD to 1120 AD:
Decision 1: Upgrade 1 or 2 swords or not?
Decision 2: DoW immediately and attack Nanjing?
Decision 3: DoW next turn and attack Beijing?
Think about it carefully. Personally, I'm not certain we have enough to handle Beijing yet. I thnk we'd need about 11 trebs to be certain. So my judgment would be to go with bcool's plan, which seems to postpone Beijing about 3-4t.
I also agree with bcool, that barring really bad RNG, we should not be weakening our stack too much, and in the four intervening turns we'll be getting four new CRII trebs.
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xpost: Yes, the musket won and is now 3.2/9HP.
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Here is your Session Turn Log from 1110 AD to 1120 AD:
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Mitchum
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I say that we go for Nanjing first and then Beijing.
Can we use a sword to protect our workers and use the medic mace to help heal all of our units in one turn in Shanghai. Then we can re-declare next turn. The question is how much of our stack needs to stay in Shanghai to protect it?
Do we have any recent intel on the units in Nanjing?
Give Theology to Mao for his 130 gold before we DOW again.
I guess we could also trade for his 5 gpt at least for this turn. Having this trade should not prevent us from attacking next turn, right?
Can we use a sword to protect our workers and use the medic mace to help heal all of our units in one turn in Shanghai. Then we can re-declare next turn. The question is how much of our stack needs to stay in Shanghai to protect it?
Do we have any recent intel on the units in Nanjing?
Give Theology to Mao for his 130 gold before we DOW again.
I guess we could also trade for his 5 gpt at least for this turn. Having this trade should not prevent us from attacking next turn, right?
Mitchum
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Questions:
Where is the settler on bcool island going to settle?
Why are we building a fort on the wine resource near Siberia?
Shanghai is going to start losing pop on the very next turn...
EDIT: Have you been telling Churchill which city to attack each turn?
Where is the settler on bcool island going to settle?
Why are we building a fort on the wine resource near Siberia?
Shanghai is going to start losing pop on the very next turn...
EDIT: Have you been telling Churchill which city to attack each turn?
I've being doing some tests in worldbuilder. We can easily take Beijing with it's current garrisson if we have 10 tebs. Estimated losses are 4.8 trebs. I'm sure we could easily take it if Beijing was reinforced with a couple of longbows.
Hopefully this would leave our stack with enough units to be split into 2 to take nanjing and Huangzhou/Guangzhou, which should be a quicker and less risky way of doing it than going for Nanjing first.
I wouldn't upgrade our swords. By the time our trebs have finished with the longbows even swords should be able to beat them easily.
Hopefully this would leave our stack with enough units to be split into 2 to take nanjing and Huangzhou/Guangzhou, which should be a quicker and less risky way of doing it than going for Nanjing first.
I wouldn't upgrade our swords. By the time our trebs have finished with the longbows even swords should be able to beat them easily.
Mitchum
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I just voted for Nanjing, but this sounds appealing since taking Beijing would likely break Mao's back. We may not even have to split our stack to take two more cities if Churchill is able to take one in the west.
Should we wait a turn to heal first? It's possible that Mao will shift some troops to the west if Beijing is not threatened... It also gives us a turn to heal and get our trebs into position.
@mdy,
Two issues with that:
1) We could see 10-12 LB in T+3, for all we know.
2) The idea behind the Nanjing proposal is that an attack there, coupled with some Roos damage would draw some LBs out of Beijing. The 9 LB are not standard defenders for the city - he's over-fortifying because of the threat. This is entirely hopeful. I don't feel confident at all predicting Mao's actions, given the two wars and threats on multiple cities.
Still, you may well be right, and I'm not completely opposed to simply attacking Beijing. I think we'll win either way actually, just unsure about what's quickest.
Sword upgrade could actually prove quite useful if we can draw some LB out of cities. Divided on this, too, though. I might keep the cash for the moment.
Two issues with that:
1) We could see 10-12 LB in T+3, for all we know.
2) The idea behind the Nanjing proposal is that an attack there, coupled with some Roos damage would draw some LBs out of Beijing. The 9 LB are not standard defenders for the city - he's over-fortifying because of the threat. This is entirely hopeful. I don't feel confident at all predicting Mao's actions, given the two wars and threats on multiple cities.
Still, you may well be right, and I'm not completely opposed to simply attacking Beijing. I think we'll win either way actually, just unsure about what's quickest.
Sword upgrade could actually prove quite useful if we can draw some LB out of cities. Divided on this, too, though. I might keep the cash for the moment.
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I was thinking of leaving the ones that are damaged plus the mace that can't move.
Because of the second crab, I was thinking of settling on the spices that gets both crabs.
We can pre-build the fort so that as soon as our culture expands, we access that
.You mean Roosy, right? I told him last turn, I still need to this turn. Thanks for reminding me.
One reason I favour attacking Beijing now is that it would reduce the chances of Beijing being reinforced before we attack it. If he does build a couple more longbows I think we could handle it, though the losses to our trebs would be higher.
If he does move any longbows out of Beijing he may send them to the American front, which would be a bad thing in my opinion because by far the easiest way to reduce Mao to 3 cities is if America takes one. Without this it is extremely marginal that it could be done before the end of the golden age. It will probably be far easier for us to kill those longbows than it will be for the AI.
Nanjing first will make it impossible for us to reduce Mao to 3 cities before the end of the golden age. With good RNG we might just do it if we go for Beijing first.
All our damaged units can heal for this turn without delaying the attack.
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@mdy, in your tests did you have the 8 lbs fortified?
bcool
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Maybe we threaten Nanjing with 1 macemen (C1 cover) this turn heal and go for beijing with the rest next turn? Don't have access to the game so just a suggestion.
Ok, let's go for Beijing. It's the stronger play, after all.
bcool
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because when Siberia's borders pop in 3 turns we will get access to the wine resources and the +1
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