SGOTM 15 - Kakumeika

[Sun Tzu Wu]

I think in 15 mins, the 1-turn PPP should be ready. Indeed, I only need a consensus, no time to wait all the team. We need to go on.

Based on current planning, I'm fine you playing 1 turn very soon.

Sun Tzu Wu

 

[Manco Capac]

PPP done for at least one turn.

Recent changes about the spy in DeerGold doesn't change much except I will run wealth instead for T122.

 

[mabraham]

PPP done for at least one turn.

Recent changes about the spy in DeerGold doesn't change much except I will run wealth instead for T122.

PPP looks good.

Strongly dislike worker in Delhi just to do some trivial improvement for a trivial city like Crabsville. An earlier spy can get earlier fortification, no? That affects our VC chances. Crabsville never will.

Likewise settler in SheepTown. I think we expect to gift Eastport to Genghis to be his Hindu city after we're done with building boats and/or missionaries there. A new eastern settler is not going to be useful if Hatse DOWs us, and is not necessary for Genghis if she does not. We have no evidence that we need to gift a city to AI pair members, yet. We could use another spy before that settler.

There's a tile on the eastern edge of Toku with a sign about a Liz archer that was there 10+ turns ago and is now presumed to have died damaging the Hatse War Chariot that was injured. Some people have been (sloppily) referring to the archer, rather than the tile we have marked, I think. What concerns you specifically, Tachy?

 

[mabraham]

@Tachy: We want Liz non-Hindu for the espionage discount during stealing. Flipping Liz to Hindu for the post-steal re-DOW may avoid diplo hits, espec with Hammu. Might make it harder for her to negotiate peaces. Not sure if it is necessary, however.

 

[Manco Capac]

PPP looks good.

Strongly dislike worker in Delhi just to do some trivial improvement for a trivial city like Crabsville. An earlier spy can get earlier fortification, no? That affects our VC chances. Crabsville never will.

uh? Bcool just said no spy for the moment because another one will lower chances of already prepped spies. Although the present GA makes nice 2-turns spies, I can always make one after the worker.

Okay, I don't mind more spies or wealth.
I wanted to make that worker for more wealth from crabsville, but my guts say a two turns wealth in Delhi will do the same than waiting improvement and growth in Crabsville, in addition to wait for profit after investment in a FW.

 

[Manco Capac]

@Tachy: We want Liz non-Hindu for the espionage discount during stealing. Flipping Liz to Hindu for the post-steal re-DOW may avoid diplo hits, espec with Hammu. Might make it harder for her to negotiate peaces. Not sure if it is necessary, however.

Indeed. You're right on this one. Anyways, I think the war "This war spoils our relationship!" will make Genghisgawa CAUTIOUS to Liz as well the others if we wait a little.

I just want to avoid diplo hit with Genghisgawa, otherwise we won't be able to explore his lands for a long long time.

 

[mabraham]

uh? Bcool just said no spy for the moment because another one will lower chances of already prepped spies. Although the present GA makes nice 2-turns spies, I can always make one after the worker.

OK, don't get them fortified, but if we want 2 ready to jump in after the first four missions, we may as well have 4 in case we run into mission failure. Getting the stealing done so we can go back to simple(!) war scenarios is the mission, I think.

Okay, I don't mind more spies or wealth.
I wanted to make that worker for more wealth from crabsville, but my guts say a two turns wealth in Delhi will do the same than waiting improvement and growth in Crabsville, in addition to wait for profit after investment in a FW.

I don't mind a FW in a few turns, but our window to maximize the espionage outcome is narrow and I think a few (hopefully) redundant spies are a better way to go.

 

[mabraham]

Indeed. You're right on this one. Anyways, I think the war "This war spoils our relationship!" will make Genghisgawa CAUTIOUS to Liz as well the others if we wait a little.

I just want to avoid diplo hit with Genghisgawa, otherwise we won't be able to explore his lands for a long long time.

Yeah. Resource trades might come in for a new +1 with Genghis, but I've forgotten the situation.

 

[mabraham]

If we think a Delhi spy is too much overkill, a catapult to deal with possible longbows bought by Liz is not silly.

 

[Manco Capac]

Yeah. Resource trades might come in for a new +1 with Genghis, but I've forgotten the situation.

No, this +1 is better additional than neutralizing the war on friend. Earlier exploration with scout, the better for victory.

I know EastPort is the infectious Hindu city for Genghisgawa, but we need to explore his lands faster than later.

 

[mabraham]

No, this +1 is better additional than neutralizing the war on friend. Earlier exploration with scout, the better for victory.

Sure, we want to keep Genghis as happy as we reasonably can.

 

[Manco Capac]

Sure, we want to keep Genghis as happy as we reasonably can.

I'm sure the waiting time before taking back cities will help as the diplo hit comes by chunk of -3.

Okay, I'll play in few minutes.
Ok, I'll take another spy for now. Perhaps a cata after, but that's another day.

 

[Manco Capac]

Likewise settler in SheepTown. I think we expect to gift Eastport to Genghis to be his Hindu city after we're done with building boats and/or missionaries there. A new eastern settler is not going to be useful if Hatse DOWs us, and is not necessary for Genghis if she does not. We have no evidence that we need to gift a city to AI pair members, yet. We could use another spy before that settler.

What concerns you specifically, Tachy?

What about the pig city near Gateway city; looks like a passage to water.
You see the settler is out and can join the SoD for teleportation, but given we're making a trireme/caravel, the settler will be secluded in EastPort. O

Okay, SheepTown will make the spy for Trojan Horse. Then wealth to help slider.



Anyways, I change my thought about the scout around Byblos. I'll scout the pig region first, then retract to Genghis. Anyways, he's not gonna OB yet and Hatshe will DoW us anyways.

All okay?

 

[Manco Capac]

Hatshe's SoD is in Kyoto. WC have joined the SoD.

Near Hamsville and DeerGold, two catas and one axe. Was there a purpose to them?
Can I just sit them in nearest city to LizTown. Will use them for recapturing.

Nice boat city after all. Alexandria is so misplaced; typical for an AI.

 

[mabraham]

Near Hamsville and DeerGold, two catas and one axe. Was there a purpose to them?
Can I just sit them in nearest city to LizTown. Will use them for recapturing.

See this post

Yep, keep the archer home. Send any other unit that can make the cutoff. The units near Hammu's border should probably position around CowTown so we can be sure of recapturing Liz cities when we need to after stealing.

 

[mabraham]

what about the pig city near gateway city; looks like a passage to water.
You see the settler is out and can join the sod for teleportation, but given we're making a trireme/caravel, the settler will be secluded in eastport. O

okay, sheeptown will make the spy for trojan horse. Then wealth to help slider.



Anyways, i change my thought about the scout around byblos. I'll scout the pig region first, then retract to genghis. Anyways, he's not gonna ob yet and hatshe will dow us anyways.

All okay?

ok...

 

[Manco Capac]

ok...

haha. I like this answer.
Okay, I will trust my judgement now. I behave like a kid.

 

[mabraham]

haha. I like this answer.
Okay, I will trust my judgement now. I behave like a kid.

I was just padding out to 5 characters! Going offline now. Back in a few hours.

 

[Manco Capac]

Lucky! Optics is her agenda. Will upload save and we'll see tomorrow.

Hatshegawa army is returning home. Close border is not a pressing affair.

We'll have to deal with Genghisgawa diplo hit; I forgot he's not at war.

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Spoiler :

Reference number: 11722
Game: C-IV SGOTM 15
Your team: Kakumeika
Your name: Tachywaxon
Date submitted: 2012-05-02
Software Version: BtS 3.19
Game date: 200AD
Player race: India
Firaxis score: 561
Session time played (hh:mm:ss): 00:45:24
Total time played (hh:mm:ss): 39:08:40
Game status: Incomplete
Submitted save: Gandhi AD-0200 - Beginning of turn!.CivBeyondSwordSave
Renamed file: Kakumeika_SG015_AD0200_01.CivBeyondSwordSave



Here is your Session Turn Log from 175 AD to 200 AD:

Turn 122, 175 AD: SheepTown has grown to size 6.
Turn 122, 175 AD: Island has grown to size 3.
Turn 122, 175 AD: Hammuragawa will trade Monarchy
Turn 122, 175 AD: Hatsegawa has 90 gold available for trade.
Turn 122, 175 AD: Elizagawa has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 122, 175 AD: You are the worst enemy of Elizagawa, Shakagawa.
Turn 122, 175 AD: Hammuragawa will trade Monarchy
Turn 122, 175 AD: Elizagawa will trade Aesthetics, Code of Laws, Compass, Horseback Riding, Machinery, Monarchy
Turn 122, 175 AD: Hatsegawa will trade Cow, Rice
Turn 122, 175 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Elizagawa
Turn 122, 175 AD: CowTown will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 122, 175 AD: You have trained a Settler in PigsGems. Work has now begun on a Fast Worker.
Turn 122, 175 AD: Marie Curie (Great Scientist) has been born in a far away land!
Turn 122, 175 AD: The Great Library has been built in a far away land!

Turn 123, 200 AD: CowTown has grown to size 4.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Genghigawa has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 123, 200 AD: Elizagawa has 5 gold per turn available for trade.

 

[Manco Capac]

Phoenix Rising lost to Ducks. 1140 AD now.
Ducks 1100 AD still the hard limit.

OSS comeback...hmmm?