ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Woo hoo!
SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts
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ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Hm, what's his reason? Can we get him to friendly in time?
Trystero
Deity
Brennus is at +11 with us. The only diplo demerit is refusing to help in war time.
At this point we can switch to 100% research and finish Math in 1 turn, and Calendar 3 turns after that. I am inclined to do that rather than try to get Brennus to trade next turn.
Edit:
OK - Hang on.
At this point we can switch to 100% research and finish Math in 1 turn, and Calendar 3 turns after that. I am inclined to do that rather than try to get Brennus to trade next turn.
Edit:
OK - Hang on.
Hmm...-1 base as well and -2 for being ahead of him. Hmm...screenshot please?
Is there any junk tech such as aesthetics that we could gift him perhaps?
Trystero
Deity
Sorry - I am "working" from home and had to respond to an email.
Here are the screenshots:
Diplo:
Techs:
Edit: We could try gifting him Aesthetics or Monarchy.
Here are the screenshots:
Diplo:
Spoiler :
Techs:
Spoiler :
Edit: We could try gifting him Aesthetics or Monarchy.
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
We could gift him Currency and improve our trade routes with him!
Trystero
Deity
That's a great idea!
Edit: Waiting for more feedback. Plan: Gift Brennus Currency to get him to Friendly, then try trading for Math this turn.
Trystero
Deity
We traded Ramesses Currency for Monarchy + 20 gold.
Given what Brennus wanted from us to end the war, I don't think Rams is going to be able to bribe him out of it.
I also approve of the gifting Currency idea. I suggest we gift that and then see what happens to Brennus' mood. We may have to gift him two techs?
Well, I've found the AI-AI diplomacy is a joke sometimes
They give each other really easy deals.So we've got Monarchy, Currency, Metal Casting, Aesthetics, and Compass to work with. I like the idea of Brennus ending up with Currency for more trade routes with us. So we can either gift him that or trade it for Maths.
Will he take a one-one for any of Currency, Metal Casting, and Monarch for maths? I think probably yes?
Will he take a one-one for any of Currency, Metal Casting, and Monarch for maths? I think probably yes?
Trystero
Deity
So should I gift Currency, or try Aesthetics first in case he needs more than one gift?
On a google search, I find this:
The bonus is pretty simple. There's a permanent value stored (that never decays) that records your "fairness" towards an AI. This value is divided by the turns you have known the AI, multiplied by 10. Tech gifts give approximately 1.5x its beaker price (depends on how widely known it is), I think gold gives 1 per 1g. This should give you some idea on how much you need to gift. So if you've known someone for 200 turns, you'd need at least 8000 "fairness points" to get +4 fair trade. This is why you can get +4 for 20g on the turn you meet someone (also why it "decays" so fast then)
Edit: Let me run some tests to confirm this.
Yeah. Some tests sound like a good plan.
In the end, though, I'm okay if we end up gifting/trading all of Currency, Monarchy, and Aesthetics for Maths. At least I think I am. Actually no. I think I'd rather him not have Monarchy, since he'll switch it to HR and get those super big annoying AI cities.
So I think gifting Currency will be "worth" more to Brennus. So we can gift currency and then trade Aesthetics.
Also, just to verify. Brennus is not trading math because we're not close enough, not because he's building the HG right?
In the end, though, I'm okay if we end up gifting/trading all of Currency, Monarchy, and Aesthetics for Maths. At least I think I am. Actually no. I think I'd rather him not have Monarchy, since he'll switch it to HR and get those super big annoying AI cities.
So I think gifting Currency will be "worth" more to Brennus. So we can gift currency and then trade Aesthetics.
Also, just to verify. Brennus is not trading math because we're not close enough, not because he's building the HG right?
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