SGOTM 18 - Unusual Suspects

Deckhand · Nov 25, 2013

astre said:
not fan of attack from PG. we need to send pikes only and they'll find cats and swords.
The odds doesn't seem that great. I'd prefer let GK attack.

... We could almost go on the offensive there with all our pikes.
Yes, need to do promotions for new HE pike. (That and attack Keshik near IS that is on way to reinforce his southern offensive. Then end turn). ...

No intent to attack from PG until he has suicided.
and I decided not to attack the Keshik headed south. Odds are 86%, but then pike would be vulnerable. Better to let it heal. That Keshik is headed to PG = certain death.

Oh and never mind about the LB garrison in OS. I will move the spear back.

Not so sure about Varanasi. It is right next to GM's northern city (taken from Joao) and close to the rails. I will see what kind of garrison it has. We can always build more missionaries and guaranteed spread (if it is still w/o religion) is good. So I will go there (if he survives).
Now to End Turn.

neilmeister · Nov 25, 2013

Good luck

Deckhand · Nov 25, 2013

well,
IBT after T133, GK bombards
IBT after T134, the stack leaves
Should I pursue? Move some units east to induce him to return? wait a turn...?
See screenshot

neilmeister · Nov 25, 2013

Yes, pursue.

Not sure exactly what is in Ironsides, but we could have a big problem if his stack goes that way.

Most likely scenario to me is that his stack will attack ours if we leave the city, but this is much better than the stack heading to Ironsides

Deckhand · Nov 25, 2013

he attacked our stack out of the city
can't tell you what happened until I respond to Joao's demand for Philosophy
previously we said agree to all demands, confirm?

Sorry I didn't wait. We agreed to accept demands. And we don't want liberalism anyway.

neilmeister · Nov 25, 2013

hell yeah!

Great news of a demand!

SteelHorse · Nov 25, 2013

Wow - a bit of excitement. Been unavailable for a couple days. Good work!

Can't wait to hear what came of the stack attack.

neilmeister · Nov 25, 2013

me too, but it is almost midnight in Paris, and I am about to fall asleep.

Good luck in he fighting!

Deckhand · Nov 25, 2013

Highlights

T133 end: remaining worker moves, remaining garrison unit moves, big omission

IBT: GK bombards PG, axe reinforces Karakorum [

we have fresh xB and fresh chariot]

T134:
:cry:

I forgot to make trades at end of last turn. Joao doesn't have the 5g and DrE doesn't have the 130g :blush:

Capture Karakorum :cool:

No medic promotions available (will build chariot in IS)
Pike attacks, kills Keshik near IS heading south

IBT: GK stack moves away from PG (see screen shot above)

T135: Move units out of PG; move a mace, spear, xb & pike from NE toward IS

IBT: GK stack attacks our pikes (we lose 2 pikes, 2 LBs, 1 treb) [see log for his losses] see screenshot (in this post)
Joao demands Philosophy, we agree

T136: move 3 surviving pikes back into PG, move units from IS next to his stack, IS wounded pike attacks and kills his last elephant
spread Confu in Vara

IBT: GK stack attacks stack from IS and loses all his units

BUFFYLOG:

Spoiler :

Uploading save. I can continue tonight or handoff.

Do we want to sell CoL to DrE for 80g? [yes, that's < 130

]
Karakorum stack is healed enough that the healthy ones can move on. Where to?

when moving spy thru AI territory, is it best to avoid city tiles and tiles adjacent to cities?
chopping outside our borders is very inefficient; should we do it anyway? (I started some mines instead)

edit: added screenshot of units after being attacked outside of PG
edit: here is the save link
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Unusual_Suspects_SG018_AD0540_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

another edit - oh yeah, note the attitude, civic, and religion changes in the buffylog

Deckhand · Nov 25, 2013

Here is a cut at updating the roster status.

neilmeister (t0-19)(t70-79) (t130)
shulec (t19-31)(t79-91)
SteelHorse (t31-41)(t91-102)
Trystero (t41-51)(t102-113) busy with RL (?)
Pollina (t51-62) (t114-125)
Deckhand (t126-129)(t131-136) - just played
astre (t62-70) AFK off&on for a while [and needs to drop one place in turn order (but can't find that post now, was it aster?)]

Deckhand · Nov 25, 2013

for completeness, here is the Session Turn Log

Spoiler :

I'm available to continue (would like some input, like where to attack next in the north); or can hand off.

SteelHorse · Nov 25, 2013

Nice work all things considered. :goodjob:

We have GK's capital - he is down to 6 cities and woefully behind in tech and hurting.

Joao has been slowed a bit by the GM war. Having Joao and Evil on par is good for now.

We have 2 good tech coming our way in two turns. Nat to be stolen from Mansa and Optics from Joao in trade. Both items we need. We will be first to Educ.

We have lost visibility to Mansa's city builds so we should perform an infiltrate after 2 turns to see if he is going for the Taj. And plan for where we should build.

I would vote for continuing north to take the elephant city from GK and after that he should be defenseless. Trebs, trebs and more trebs.

Only downside has been losing the shared war which will take some time to re-establish.

shulec · Nov 25, 2013

Nice work Deckhand.

Wow, GK really pimped out his castle in Karakorum. He built the Oracle-wait, not really-and nothing substantial- unless it was all lost on the city capture.

Suggestions for next few turns:

Send chariot 1 to hill 1N of Karakorum and take screenshot this turn, then retreat to Karakorum.
Slow build Market in Washington. We have to maximize that commerce!
Build Settler in Fish City 1 turn, then whip away three unhappy faces!
Build monument in Beshbalik one turn, then whip! Whipping on crappy food tiles isn't efficient. Once deer and corn are online, this is a whipping machine.

Clean up the reminders SW of Washington. Get rid of anything GK. Does anyone know the turn for the Gandhi note "demand 60 gold from Ga"? Get rid of the Joao trade stuff with the exception of the cow beg.

Do not trade Marble since we want if for Taj.

Deckhand · Nov 25, 2013

here is screenshot

shulec · Nov 26, 2013

If you haven't moved the chariot from that hill, he can move 1S1W and should be able to get vision on Ning hsia before returning to Karakorum.

I truly don't know what direction to go with our troops. I suspect all of his cities are pretty depleted. I suggest taking most of our stack 2N2E. I think we should upgrade the spear to a pike an leave him and axe three to defend Karakorum. Start bombarding the elephant city in two turns, then sweep back around to Turfan. Hopefully we will have another stack coming up through New Sarai.

astre · Nov 26, 2013

I confirm that's me that can't play before next week end.

seems like good job done

Deckhand · Nov 26, 2013

shulec said:
If you haven't moved the chariot from that hill, he can move 1S1W and should be able to get vision on Ning hsia before returning to Karakorum.

I truly don't know what direction to go with our troops. I suspect all of his cities are pretty depleted. I suggest taking most of our stack 2N2E. I think we should upgrade the spear to a pike an leave him and axe three to defend Karakorum. Start bombarding the elephant city in two turns, then sweep back around to Turfan. Hopefully we will have another stack coming up through New Sarai.

Done.
I agree. Our main army go NE, and then counter clockwise.
And new army go N thru New Sarai.
I don't want GK to have access to the desert rails. It looks like we can leave him with the hidden city in his NW corner and maybe Tiflis.

I will continue tomorrow afternoon with greens.
Infiltrate and steal Natl. Build Market before Taj if Mansa isn't building it???
I will look thru replies for more advise, but won't post a PPP unless one is desired.

neilmeister · Nov 26, 2013

Nicely done.

Yes, send the stack NE and cut off the rails & phants. Maybe use the next vote to start a holy war against GK?

If we still have Marble, build Taj immediately. We can decide exactly when to finish it if we have visibility of Mansa, but we might as well start it.

Pollina · Nov 26, 2013

Nice work

We are 5 turns away from Education. Shouldn’t we start planning for Oxford? We need libraries and unis. We want to start building the Taj in 2 or 3 turns. Wouldn’t it make sense to build a Confu missionary or two for our non-Confu uni cities, instead of building a market in Washington that we won’t be able to finish anytime soon? We might want to run Org. Religion while building unis (and the Taj). What will be our 6 uni cities? Wash, FC, PC, OS, Beshbalik, Karakorum?

Time to think about what to tech after Education? Military Tradition? Gunpowder? Printing Press?

shulec · Nov 26, 2013

Pollina said:
Nice work

We are 5 turns away from Education. Shouldn’t we start planning for Oxford? We need libraries and unis. We want to start building the Taj in 2 or 3 turns. Wouldn’t it make sense to build a Confu missionary or two for our non-Confu uni cities, instead of building a market in Washington that we won’t be able to finish anytime soon? We might want to run Org. Religion while building unis (and the Taj). What will be our 6 uni cities? Wash, FC, PC, OS, Beshbalik, Karakorum?

Time to think about what to tech after Education? Military Tradition? Gunpowder? Printing Press?

What will our slider do once we get education? It will sit at 100% gold for many turns, most logically until we get Oxford built. A market can be built in 5-6 turns. I would rather whip the market in Washinton than to delay or not build it.

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