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Otherwise, I'd chop every culture forest like mad, except for Rome. Not sure we need all those roaded wineries if we're not going to pop14 for a while.
SGOTM 22 - Anti-TSR
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Green light.
whip this turn (grows to 3 instantly), 1 turn on grass forest next turn on wine (size 4 already). Then mine a hill
i guess it's tempting to finish mine first
agree. Now that we have math, chop as fast as possible.
I will delay the wine roads, but I always want one wine available in case, for example, gold shows up. Darius should be hooking up that desert gold we found maybe.
yea, Bovino's not quite ready for it, but soon.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but probably chop a monument first for borders and for Zeus. We need that cow tile.
The granary needs a lot of turns of organic hammers anyway before it will need the chop.
If we assume we are going to get Zeus, then we need another monument anyway, so now I'm wondering if HC should build one so it has more forests soon. We've already waited this long to capture our first city. Why not continue to set up our core better.
So I didn't start playing yet cus I'm not sure about the Rax/monument options.
So I didn't start playing yet cus I'm not sure about the Rax/monument options.
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Is it better to 1chop+1whip Bovina, rather than wait for all those hammers?
Mecca gives free monuments.
Mecca gives free monuments.
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More thoughts. We're significantly behind where we could be, having wasted buckets of hammers on spies. Capturing Mecca and completing the Aes wonders seems like a very powerful combination. Thus, the determination on whether to build RAX and other buildings should be strictly, imo, whether they help capture Mecca asap.
I'm not even convinced we'll hang on to HC, FC, and Bovina forever. We might chop 'em, whip 'em and drop 'em.
I'm not even convinced we'll hang on to HC, FC, and Bovina forever. We might chop 'em, whip 'em and drop 'em.
mmmm....free monuments. Thx for reminding me. I was about to re-do my entire plan.
I'm now leaning towards these ideas too. I think HC needs to bleed!
How about this:
HC : Rax + 3 Praets ... all on or before T113 and a 4th as early as
(uses 1 chop and one 2whip + one 1whip.)
We won't spend much time at size 4 (we grow too slow). Therefore no new mine.
Bovino:
1 worker will chop T109 then 1whip a Praet or possibly a cat.
Then chop granary T113
then Winery
1 worker will chop T109 then 1whip a Praet or possibly a cat.
Then chop granary T113
then Winery
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I didn't mean that soon. At pop5, HC can produce 1 praet every 4t. We're going to need a continuing supply of praets from our two hammer cities until Mecca and Damascus come out of resistance.
Btw, are you including the forest at HC-2W1N which will be ours in 2 or 3t (right?)? We could even start chopping that in advance.
Yes, that forest is in the plan. I'm pretty sure we want to beat on HC that hard for now and then let it grow to 4 or 5 while our boats sail off. I also don't want to waste time on the mine rt now, so whipping is ideal. HC can absorb some extra whip anger since it can't really whip every 10 turns.
I re-arranged some MM and I think I can get RAX+4 Praets T114.
Now, let's see what I can squeeze out of FC. Maybe we can get 5 boats to Mecca with 10 Catoreans. Capture T127
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T127?!? Please have a back-up front-up plan if our scout finds Mecca with its pants down. I expect Mecca to have 2 units, unless it happens to be building a settler which seems unlikely.
Otherwise, sounds good.
Otherwise, sounds good.
We can probably attack 1, maybe 2 turns earlier w/8 units.
Sadly, we are short just one tile on the galley travel. We need to clear Sal's culture. That costs a turn.
I'm starting to think we will grab Baghdad on the way over. Maybe T121.
Then, when it's out of revolt and can 2whip twice for 3 Praets, we can hit Mecca with 10. A Baghdad Praet can be born and land at Mecca T+1
Yes, this looks much more efficient. I'll set up the 3 galleys + 6 + 2 chariot.
Then 2 galleys follow shortly after.
* Note: if scouting shows Mecca open, we still have the 8 unit and 10 unit options at T126 and T127
Whew. I wasn't going to do a PPP in Anti-TSR fashion, but I probably will...after I play 2 turns.
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Ok, I'll squeeze out 2 turns starting in about an hour.
Turnset Report Prologue
T105
100% Aes
We ask Sal for Deer + 10 turns peace. He accepts.
ibt: Bovino gets Buddhism
Darius jumps to Currency(9)
T106
Bad luck to start the turnset.
Warrior (3/5) dies.
On the bright side:
Archer has only 0.3, so we kill it and now have a 2/5 warrior (promote?)
Spy learns Poly
Settler unloads at iron-NE. Archer is at iron-W
ibt: Rome borders expand and Darius spreads buddhism there. I guess that means we can get 4 easy religious buildings if we want.
Zara HeredRule
Currency(7)
T107
We settle IC
No one is even next to Iron. 2W is archer, 3W is new warrior.
uploaded.
T105
100% Aes
We ask Sal for Deer + 10 turns peace. He accepts.
ibt: Bovino gets Buddhism
Darius jumps to Currency(9)
T106
Bad luck to start the turnset.
Warrior (3/5) dies.
On the bright side:
Archer has only 0.3, so we kill it and now have a 2/5 warrior (promote?)
Spy learns Poly
Settler unloads at iron-NE. Archer is at iron-W
ibt: Rome borders expand and Darius spreads buddhism there. I guess that means we can get 4 easy religious buildings if we want.
Zara HeredRule
Currency(7)
T107
We settle IC
No one is even next to Iron. 2W is archer, 3W is new warrior.uploaded.
We could have Aes 1 turn early if we really want. Rome wasn't really planning for that, but we could get 1 turn of Parthenon failgold somewhere (doubtful).
Or maybe Rome can change up it's whipping. We'll see.
Or maybe Rome can change up it's whipping. We'll see.
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