Reminder (since I forgot) we promote at 2, 4 and 8 xp instead of 2, 5, 10
SGOTM 23 - Turbo Ants
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Hmm. This might change our minds on Hamburg:
There is a forest missing at Hamburg - 3E. It was there T63 (I checked)
Likely conclusion: Stalin settled there.
Problem with that: it could steal our only Sheep.
The city would still be a good place to stick Hatty, but now I'm leaning towards Thebes for happiness.
There is a forest missing at Hamburg - 3E. It was there T63 (I checked)
Likely conclusion: Stalin settled there.
Problem with that: it could steal our only Sheep.
The city would still be a good place to stick Hatty, but now I'm leaning towards Thebes for happiness.
I think our focus should still be Athens and Thebes. Hamburg can be a crime of opportunity, but nothing more than that.
CFing forces the trade groups to recalculate, so we should be able to trade for silver or ivory on t78 if they're available.
CFing forces the trade groups to recalculate, so we should be able to trade for silver or ivory on t78 if they're available.
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Not back too much but trying to follow along. Thebes and Athens are capitals opening up a lot of potential. Berlin's great but a ways off. Berlin could maybe be pincered after Athens.
Would Fredburg be the better place to stick Hatty? That would at least keep our trade connection intact when we DoW Hatty. Downside is we lose ~10t of development there. We need to decide on that before we finish the granary chop on t77. Ideally this turn, before we put any hammers into the granary.
My current plan is:
Fred:
peek into Hamburg this turn
Prepare for attack if it looks like we have a shot to take it with our mini stack (2 axes, 1 chariot, 1 partially healed HA).
Pillage sheep pasture and maybe some other improvements near Hamburg before we CF.
CEB:
- monument, then whip chariot (if we are sending the wounded HA towards Hamburg) or axe.
- give to Hatty and take back with chariot or HA (t78)
FC:
- put 2nd spy on t77 galley
- give away and steal CoL on t78, DoW, re-take with HA from SQ
- galley drops 2nd spy in FC (fully fortified on t83, right?)
Thebes:
- give away Fredburg/Hamburg
- t78: drop 5 HAs at Thebes-N
- Alexa puts 3h into archer (or 6h into spear???) so that we can emergency whip in case it is threatened by Hatty's WC or the barb archer.
- With the 2 re-captured city gifts, Hatty should be willing to talk after 1-2 turns, right?
Alex:
- DoW t81 or t82, with Thebes survivors and 2 fresh HAs.
- optional: gift him CoL + prereqs (writing, math, currency) to make him switch into Caste
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I'd put strong consideration into the sentry chariot and get him beyond Fred before CF so he can finf The Orient and any critical info. Might also secure our TRs.
can't we kill the barb archer for XP? Aren't we at the point where it will beeline the city?
I'd like to consider sending at least 1 more HA to Hamburg with the skeleton army you mentioned. I'd much rather have Fredburg working for us and hamburg gift to Hatty.
On T77, you'd have to attack across a river with a very small army.
On T78, you could have 1HA, 1Axe, 1 Chariot past the river and 1 Axe, 2 HAs as backup for 'guaranteed' success. The injured backup HA spends 1 turn (t76) healing in Fredburg. That's probably overkill, so we'd hold back 1 backup HA.
I'm sure this delays Thebes. Let me look what can be done there if we assume the plan above does well and we don't need to use any of our backup units.
On T77, you'd have to attack across a river with a very small army.
On T78, you could have 1HA, 1Axe, 1 Chariot past the river and 1 Axe, 2 HAs as backup for 'guaranteed' success. The injured backup HA spends 1 turn (t76) healing in Fredburg. That's probably overkill, so we'd hold back 1 backup HA.
I'm sure this delays Thebes. Let me look what can be done there if we assume the plan above does well and we don't need to use any of our backup units.
FC: switch to HA first....
T75-76 whip HA
T77 galley
T78 whip galley
T79 gift
SQ: hold off on rax
T75 whip HA
Paris
T75 chop HA
CEB's HA goes to Hamburg.
That's 6 HAs instead of 5 at Thebes that can unload T79 instead of T78. The extra turn also lets us kill the barb archer, promote.
T75-76 whip HA
T77 galley
T78 whip galley
T79 gift
SQ: hold off on rax
T75 whip HA
Paris
T75 chop HA
CEB's HA goes to Hamburg.
That's 6 HAs instead of 5 at Thebes that can unload T79 instead of T78. The extra turn also lets us kill the barb archer, promote.
Okay, I'll try to make sure that the chariot teleports east when we CF.
We can kill him, sure. Knowing my luck, our HA will probably be knocked down to 0.1 health.
That still leaves the potential threat from the WC. I don't think an emergency whipped archer would have great odds against it.
Should I move the axe now to peek into Hamburg?
yea, so set up an emergency spear for Alexa.
Go ahead and move the Axe.
Go ahead and move the Axe.
Should I send the second spy to CEB, for a t83 steal there? This would lose some food in CEB (instead of FC). We would be able kill off Hatty 2 turns sooner assuming we go with WT's plan and both our spy missions are successful. We could probably get enough EP for a t82 steal/Hatty kill off (40% fortification).
Assume we're going with the monument this turn instead of hoping we get religion spread soon, I was wondering if we should wait 10t to get borders to expand, but now that I'm looking at the map, we don't get Iron like I thought and we only get 1 extra forest. So forget about the borders.Now back to the monument. Since we're not giving CEB away just yet, let's do a chariot (since we see an Axe in Hamburg. That can be ready to attack (across river) T78, but a river crossing is nothing to a chariot hopefully going after an Axe.
CEB will be able to work 2 citizens soon, so we should be able to get back to size 4 for a 2-whip and maybe even grow enough for another whip before erasing anger and leaving the city at size 2.
Now we have 6 units at Hamburg and 6 units at Thebes (and no monument
) 
^^ Oh, so I forgot to answer your question. Seems like a steal in CEB would time well with the planned anger erase.
edit: I think we grow to size 5 T83, so probably not ideal to rush the steal T82. We might grow T82 tho, didn't calc too carefully.
edit2: actually, if we 2-whip on T81, we can probably grow back to size 3 and gift the city...but I'd rather 1whip and gift on T83
edit: I think we grow to size 5 T83, so probably not ideal to rush the steal T82. We might grow T82 tho, didn't calc too carefully.
edit2: actually, if we 2-whip on T81, we can probably grow back to size 3 and gift the city...but I'd rather 1whip and gift on T83
Did your calculations account for the anarchy turn for our switch into Rep+OR (t80)?
We'd still need a monument for the culture bonus and re-capture. Unless...
OR will let us build missionaries in FC. We could chop the hill forest into a missionary on t81. 1-whip t82. Spread Christianity in CEB t84. Clear whip anger and steal Construction in CEB t85. This would not let us kill off Hatty any sooner, but we would not have to give away FC.
missionaries. Yes, that's better than a disposable monument. forgot about OR coming soon.
I did forget about the anarchy turn as well.
And if (when) we get a free religion spread, we can just use the missionary for Paris et al.
I did forget about the anarchy turn as well.
And if (when
) we get a free religion spread, we can just use the missionary for Paris et al.
Alexa: can we consider working the hammer (desert hill) to get the granary whipped faster? I suppose we need the coastal coins for currency.
Hm. This would speed up a granary 1-whip by 1t in case we have to whip the spear. But it would delay a potential granary 2-whip in the scenario where we don't whip the spear.
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