[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[Kaitzilla]

I don't like it. We should be able to get Compass 100% free cus we don't need it for a long time.
I'd like to stick to our beeline. Guilds seems like a good size tech to give for Philo.

Right, compass and optics aren't needed for our beeline to banking, but we kind of need Whale for the happiness.
Also, wouldn't it be nice to send a Caravel to meet the 4AI and get us circumnavigation bonus?

Hopefully SB and Peter have met by then. Did we ever agree what Peter would do with his exploring wb if he had our map? Would he turn around or press on to meet SB?

Peter's workboat is likely heading east because of auto-explore.
If we gave him our map, he might turn around to go home and net seafood or something.
No way to really know.

 

[Mitchum]

Map for IW?

Nope.

I put Slavery on the table and he asked for 75 gold. Slavery + OR = 145 gold.

EDIT: So our map is worth about 75 gold, right? It will go down as Peter explores more though.

 

[Mitchum]

Peter's workboat is likely heading east because of auto-explore.
If we gave him our map, he might turn around to go home and net seafood or something.
No way to really know.

We need them to meet so I suggest we hold on to our map until that happens to be safe.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I think we have to cancel the ch in Canal, and maybe a couple other things. Banking is now due 127ish if you include Aes, which I still hope to get free.
Seems like Parthenon is what we'll be waiting on. Or maybe we get Music too before the GAge so Canal would not need to get a GP to start it.
Let's see what Peter picks next.

Music is around 1800 away.

I still like the CH just for getting Uni to a 4-pop whip.

 

[WastinTime]

I still like the CH just for getting Uni to a 4-pop whip.

sure, but maybe after the GAge. We need Canal size 10.

 

[Mitchum]

I still like the CH just for getting Uni to a 4-pop whip.

It also gives us more /turn which gives us a better chance to keep eyes on what Pete it teching without having to run the slider again.

 

[Mitchum]

WT, do you have a GPP plan you can share? I'm not sure if you posted it and I missed it or if it's in your head but it would be good to see which cities need to be at what sizes and which GP will come from each city. If I have the basics I can put it into my GPP spreadsheet and upload it if that will help.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Well, if we want to drop the Courthouse in Canal, let's look at the food.
Here is the current micro

Canal City
T109 - 4-pop Whip Courthouse; x2 Clam, Crab, Coast, Mine
T110 - University (goes to 45/200); x2 Clam, Crab, x2 Coast, Mine
T111 - Monastery; x2 Clam, Crab, x4 Coast
T112 - 2-pop Whip Monastery; x2 Clam, Crab, x2 Coast
T113 - Moai (goes to 245/250); x2 Clam, Crab, x3 Coast (1 Chop lands)
T114 - University; x2 Clam, Crab, x3 Coast, Mine
T115 - University; x2 Clam, Crab, x4 Coast
T116 - 4-pop Whip University; x2 Clam, Crab, Coast

And here is the test game at the start of T109 (mostly accurate)

T109 - T110 Uni with mine
T111 - T113 Monastery + Moai same
T114 - Uni with mine
T115 - 5-pop Whip uni with no overflow​

 

[LowtherCastle]

If this is up to a vote then I say yes too. I wonder if Peter can veto our votes though.

Sid.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I don't like it. We should be able to get Compass 100% free cus we don't need it for a long time.
I'd like to stick to our beeline. Guilds seems like a good size tech to give for Philo.

We want Peter teching Compass-Optics for us.

This SG will be won by the team getting the most beakers for free, fastest.

 

[Kaitzilla]

T117 Canal With Courthouse

Spoiler :

T117 Canal with no Courthouse

Spoiler :

Skipping the Courthouse makes Canal City 2 pop larger, gets wheat 1 turn earlier, has 1 less anger, produces 2 less per turn, and costs an extra 3.5 per turn once it reaches a decent size

We want Peter teching Compass-Optics for us.

This SG will be won by the team getting the most beakers for free, fastest.

True​

 

[WastinTime]

WT, do you have a GPP plan you can share? I'm not sure if you posted it and I missed it or if it's in your head but it would be good to see which cities need to be at what sizes and which GP will come from each city. If I have the basics I can put it into my GPP spreadsheet and upload it if that will help.

Ideally, each city needs to be able to run -4 to -5 food.
So, canal +11 food, needs 8 sci (size 11)
Silver +13 food, 9 sci + 4 food tiles = size 13 but likely size 12 (this city probably can't get that big due to 2f tile limits)
Profit at size 8 could run 5-6 sci most of the time. This city would love to be size 10+ and work extra Moai tiles 2f2h3c during GAges.
etc.

Canal is 200gpp

300 Silver

400-500 Canal, Whales (order tbd) because they are huge food and need to go twice.

600 is Profit (cus it is likely a GPro and we need that for GAge #2, not later in the rotation.)

700 Science so it can go back to Gems tiles.

800 Cows

900 ClamsCity

1000 Silver (last GS attempt for Biology cus it's 100% GS) We don't want to wait 2-3 extra turns and get an artist or spy last, then have to manually research Bio. If we know we got short-changed on GS's earlier, we can make up the difference doing our 1000+ bpt

1200, 1400 Canal, Whales

 

[Kaitzilla]

Do you mean by team when you refer to "AI"? Human player is not AI.

I can't explain all the details of "We don't want to start trading away this technology just yet" when the AI refuses to trade a technology.
I've never figured it out 100% all the way.

I've been in games where every single AI had Corporation, they all knew each other, and none of them would trade Corporation to me.

 

[WastinTime]

1400 is too slow, so we will have to cut someone from the plan and end it at 1200.
or maybe end at 1000 with Silver 100%

 

[WastinTime]

Skipping the Courthouse makes Canal City 2 pop larger, gets wheat 1 turn earlier, has 1 less anger, produces 2 less per turn, and costs an extra 3.5 per turn once it reaches a decent size

But what about University? are you saying the no-ch city can afford to 5whip uni and grow to size 11? Or nobody gets a Uni?

How did a 4wihp ch only cost you 2 pop

 

[WastinTime]

or maybe end at 1000 with Silver 100%

Oh, yes, we should do this. Silver at 1000 for Biology.
Canal+Whales at 1200, 1400 for Astronomy.

 

[Kaitzilla]

But what about University? are you saying the no-ch city can afford to 5whip uni and grow to size 11? Or nobody gets a Uni?

How did a 4wihp ch only cost you 2 pop

Both scenarios gets a University in Canal City, just skipping the Courthouse makes the University come 1 turn earlier and pop borders 1 turn earlier.

No-Courthouse Canal City is 2 pop ahead because the courthouse city was constantly regrowing at a smaller size, so it took less food to gain population each time.

 

[WastinTime]

Both scenarios gets a University in Canal City,

...and reach size 11 ....when?

 

[Mitchum]

Ideally, each city needs to be able to run -4 to -5 food.
So, canal +11 food, needs 8 sci (size 11)
Silver +13 food, 9 sci + 4 food tiles = size 13 but likely size 12 (this city probably can't get that big due to 2f tile limits)
Profit at size 8 could run 5-6 sci most of the time. This city would love to be size 10+ and work extra Moai tiles 2f2h3c during GAges.
etc.

Canal is 200gpp

300 Silver

400-500 Canal, Whales (order tbd) because they are huge food and need to go twice.

600 is Profit (cus it is likely a GPro and we need that for GAge #2, not later in the rotation.)

700 Science so it can go back to Gems tiles.

800 Cows

900 ClamsCity

1000 Silver (last GS attempt for Biology cus it's 100% GS) We don't want to wait 2-3 extra turns and get an artist or spy last, then have to manually research Bio. If we know we got short-changed on GS's earlier, we can make up the difference doing our 1000+ bpt

1200, 1400 Canal, Whales

Perfect. I'll work on a plan for this in the next day or two. Will we have the Parthenon by then (in Whales, right)? Where does the National Epic go and when?

 

[Kaitzilla]

...and reach size 11 ....when?

With the Courthouse, no whale, and producing a Great Person, I think Canal City reached Size 11 on T130.
Perhaps T129 with clever use of Parthenon, but the food bin would be only half full at Size 11.