[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

WastinTime · Aug 30, 2020

To keep +3 war with Louis, we need to keep the HRE war going until the final turn (meaning we can't get conquer gold for the island) Or maybe we can take it after the vote is called for, the turn before they announce the win. That would make it still useful for research.

Sal and Louis are both 10 techs for +1 so we need 20 techs for +2 and a couple extra in case of decay.
So about every 3-4 turns, we have to trade them something.

But as you said (above), need to get Louis above someone on the scoreboard too.

WastinTime · Aug 30, 2020

Kaitzilla said:
Worst case is Louis is +13 towards Peter.

+4 Fair trade

I think +4 fair trade is pretty rare for AI-AI.
But Louis could ask Peter for a big tech. That would be +5 :eek:

for +4 Fair Trade and +1 Tribute

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

WastinTime said:
To keep +3 war with Louis, we need to keep the HRE war going until the final turn (meaning we can't get conquer gold for the island) Or maybe we can take it after the vote is called for, the turn before they announce the win. That would make it still useful for research.

Sal and Louis are both 10 techs for +1 so we need 20 techs for +2 and a couple extra in case of decay.
So about every 3-4 turns, we have to trade them something.

But as you said (above), need to get Louis above someone on the scoreboard too.

I'm confident we have enough techs to bribe Saladin or Bismarck to Cease Fire with HRE if Aachen is about to be destroyed.
Sal and Bis should have more Soldiers than Charlemagne, so they won't say "I'd love to, but you'll have to talk to the other guy"

Louis should have trouble conquering a city so far away.

I think conquering that juicy island city soon should be ok.

Ya, I can feed Louis and Saladin a tech every 3-4 turns for sure.

WastinTime said:
I think +4 fair trade is pretty rare for AI-AI.
But Louis could ask Peter for a big tech. That would be +5 for +4 Fair Trade and +1 Tribute

Ugh, that would be a disaster.
Let me check the UN votes if the election was held right now and Charlemagne was starved down a 1 pop Aachen through blockade.

301 Votes total, need 62% to win Diplo victory (187/301 votes to win)

We vote for us: 90 votes
Peter votes for Peter: 70 votes
Sitting Bull abstains: 1 vote
Charlemagne abstains: 1 vote
Louis votes for Peter: 37 votes :mad:

Bismarck votes for us: 51 votes
Saladin votes for us: 51 votes

We have 192/301 votes, we win diplo victory by the skin of our teeth. :undecide:

WastinTime · Aug 30, 2020

I wonder if we don't put Peter in FreeReligion T195, maybe he won't ever take it on his own?
And we never give Liberalism to Louis (to block FreeReligion.) Sal's only wonder is Paya, so Louis doesn't have that option.

If Bismarck/Sal take 2 more HRE cities and Louis settles 2 islands, we almost don't need Peter to not be in Merc for trade routes.
I think there's a good chance he will have Communism by T195, so we could roll the dice and let him pick civics. That keeps him out of Emancipation until 220 also.

Maybe the (non-Peter) AI would also settle SB's south area if we give Astro to more of them. Especially if we give them Physics so they can see the Uranium.
Reveal Oil so they settle that ice-island.

Kaitzilla said:
301 Votes total, need 62% to win Diplo victory (187/301 votes to win)

Really? 62% only?

WastinTime · Aug 30, 2020

Green light. Let's see how it plays out.

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

WastinTime said:
I wonder if we don't put Peter in FreeReligion T195, maybe he won't ever take it on his own?
And we never give Liberalism to Louis (to block FreeReligion.) Sal's only wonder is Paya, so Louis doesn't have that option.

If Bismarck/Sal take 2 more HRE cities and Louis settles 2 islands, we almost don't need Peter to not be in Merc for trade routes.
I think there's a good chance he will have Communism by T195, so we could roll the dice and let him pick civics. That keeps him out of Emancipation until 220 also.

Maybe the (non-Peter) AI would also settle SB's south area if we give Astro to more of them. Especially if we give them Physics so they can see the Uranium.
Reveal Oil so they settle that ice-island.

Really? 62% only?

Ya, never bribe Peter into Free Religion.
Never give France Liberalism
Nobody gets Gunpowder so they can't get Chemistry and Privateers.

Try to get Astronomy to Germany and Arabs soon.

I'm almost certain UN diplo win is 62%.
I've only ever done a few of them though.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/tmits-guide-to-un-victories.304815/

TheMeInTeam said:
The United Nations

Let's start with the wonder itself. It is available fairly late in the game, with the mass media tech. Once built, the person who built it and the person who is #1 in population are the candidates for chair. If the person who built it is also #1 in population, the other candidate is #2 in population.

The chair, once elected, gets to propose resolutions. Many of these are useful, but the focal point of the article is the one at the top of the resolution list: diplomatic victory. This resolution calls a vote between the two candidates that would be eligible for chair, and with enough votes (just over 60% of the world's population), the favored civ wins the game.

The threshold in testing slid between 60% to 62%. Not sure why.
I'm almost sure 62% wins the game.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/sgotm-26-home-slices.657330/page-232#post-15866251

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

Wait, we want Louis ahead of Saladin on the scoreboard.
Let's only feed Arabs techs up to Astro slowly, and then stop.

We don't need +1 Diplo with Saladin.

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

WastinTime said:
Green light. Let's see how it plays out.

Ok, I'll try to start playing in a few hours if there are more green lights.

Have to go help move a bed.

Mitchum · Aug 30, 2020

Green light.

MirrorGuard · Aug 30, 2020

green light

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

I'll start playing in about 20 minutes.

Will try to play until T185.

Then I will break for 4 hours and perhaps play a bit more tonight.

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

Playing Real Game now from PPP

Turnset #1 T182 - T185

Continuing from Mirrorguard's Turnset

T182 - All worker moves halted, and then game unpaused.

Paris has 161 :hammers:

Mecca has 151 :hammers:

HRE farms pillaged for 3 :gold:

and 2

HRE has 2 Triremes 1SW of Aachen of which one is Combat II.
A bit dangerous for our Galleon in the future if they get lucky

+18 :espionage:

per turn switched to Charlemagne.

Traded Astronomy to France for 40 :gold:

+ map
Traded Compass to Saladin for 30 :gold:

+ map

Asked Bismarck, Saladin, and Louis to attack Aachen the capital of Charlemagne.
They said "We'll do our best!"
Oddly enough, all 3 were willing to attack Cahokia, but I was too chicken to click that since they are not at war. :lol:

Gifted Louis Fur.
Gifted Louis Horse.
Expected to reach +2 shared resources with Louis on T213.

Empire at end of turn has 173 :gold:

Doing +976 :science:

per turn and -132 :gold:

per turn

T183 - 83% Great Scientist born in Science City.

Sitting Bull Tri is now 3W of Cahokia in the ocean with no defense bonus.
96% odds to attack
Trireme destroyed!
1.2/3hp and 8 xp for promotion.
Path to put spy in Cahokia is clear

Gained 470 :gold:

in fail gold from 3 cities after Silver City in our domestic F1 list.
Will get the rest of the Heroic Epic cash next turn.

Communism from Peter in 13 turns. Rep. Parts from Germany in 4.

Mecca finished production (Heroic Epic!) and is starting something new. So no Hagia :sad:

France has 203 :hammers:

in something in Paris.

Holy Roman Empire x2 Triremes sailed west.
Aachen gains Sword and Galley
Pillaged 20 :gold:

from village

Asked all 3 civs to attack Aachen.

Empire at end of turn has 531 :gold:

It is doing 1011 :science:

per turn and -134 :gold:

per turn

T184 - Charlemagne got a Great Prophet in Nurembug.
His Sword went northwest to retake Prague by itself :lol:

Heroic Epic gave us the final +395 :gold:

Double bulbed Electricity for +3558 :science:

!

Paris has 245 :hammers:

in something.

Mine pillaged for 16 :gold:

Hamlet pillaged for 17 :gold:

Cottage pillaged for 8 :gold:

Great General born in Profit City.
Galley out of position. Will settle it in Science 1 turn late.

Spy placed in Cahokia.
2LB and Dog Soldier.
Longbow on northern rice.
Longbow + Worker on Southern rice!
Where is Sitting Bull getting all these hammers?!

Asked all 3 civs to attack Aachen.

Empire at end of turn has 833 :gold:

It is doing 1044 :science:

and -104

per turn

T185 - Electricity is ours

Bismarck sending a war stack to Aachen

Canceled stone to Peter
Canceled whale to Peter
Sushi is now +11 :food:

per turn

Pausing and uploading now
Log

Spoiler :

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

Actually, we can gift our only Horse to France in addition to Fur.

That way we can keep our extra whale later.

Does anyone else agree that we won't need Horse at all for the next 10 turns?

WastinTime · Aug 30, 2020

Sure, gift horse, but still....why not gift whale too (later)?

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

WastinTime said:
Sure, gift horse, but still....why not gift whale too (later)?

Louis has had our Wine for 7 turns.

Fur+Horse will get us +2 shared resources in 31 more turns or T213.
The UN victory vote will likely be T219.

I think we can shop around with our whale later for :gold:

per turn as long as Louis gets 3 resources now on T182.

WastinTime · Aug 30, 2020

Kaitzilla said:
I think we can shop around with our whale later for per turn as long as Louis gets 3 resources now on T182.

Ok, but how is Sal doing with +2 resources?

WastinTime · Aug 30, 2020

I'd like to get Bismarck and Sal up to +2 res ASAP. Then we can cancel most of those and (if we ever need/want to) give everything to Louis for Iron (after IronWorks) Or is Ironworks being completed on the last turn due to its unhealthy?

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

WastinTime said:
Ok, but how is Sal doing with +2 resources?

We have traded Sal fur+silver for 7 turns to get silk and gold.
We have traded Sal wheat to get 5 :gold:

per turn for 1 turn.

We can expect +2 resources with Sal in 29 more turns or T211.

Bismarck has Deer, fur, and wine from us for 7 turns.
He also has silver from us for 1 turn.

We can expect +2 shared resources with Bis in 20 more turns or T202.

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

WastinTime said:
I'd like to get Bismarck and Sal up to +2 res ASAP. Then we can cancel most of those and (if we ever need/want to) give everything to Louis for Iron (after IronWorks) Or is Ironworks being completed on the last turn due to its unhealthy?

Ironworks will be completed as soon as we confirm we have Coal.

The 50% production bonus is quite nice with only 2 unhealthiness in the late game.

With no coal it should be put off until the end of the game unless we need engineers for some reason.

On to Turn 183!

Kaitzilla · Aug 30, 2020

Great Scientist born in Science City!

SB Tri is 3W of Cahokia in the ocean.
Our Caravel has 96% odds.
Attack?
I want to attack it!

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