with our galleon? oh, caravel. Sure.
[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices
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only if we get Friendly
96% odds.
Trireme destroyed!
Caravel at 1.2/3hp with 8xp for another promotion.
Will do Combat 2 next turn.
Path is clear for spy.
Returning to original spot to load spy onto Caravel.
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I thought about it before. IW -2 health +50% h with coal/ factory -1health -2 from coal +25%/park -2health -1 from coal only 1 free engineer.
-2 health≈-4c If there's 14 base h/ turn in cows, 14*50%=7h≥7beaker=4c *1.75. It's worth the health cost.
...Also industrial park requires factory so factory cannot be stored in build list until the last turn…
I said the same thing during my turnset, but was too lazy to figure out why. Settled GE's?
Gah, now there is a fresh Tri in Cahokia T185!
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Good point. We can prevent this with the counterespionage mission, which iirc has a 100% success rate as long as the spy doesn’t die otherwise and lasts 10 turns. Rinse and repeat every ten turns.Right, only Louis is affected.
Mapmaker shenanigans would be "past events", so it is a natural affinity sure.
Louis is probably weaker than Peter, so the odds of us bribing him to Cease Fire with HRE and DOW Peter (Louis will DOW Pleased civs if he is Pleased with us) is low.
If only we had a way to make Louis' military stronger than Peter!
Us Dowing Peter so we can bribe France into the war would lose us Sushi resources and trade routes (forever, the 150% bonus goes to 0%) and the chance to get Communism I think.
16 turns from now Louis might already be Friendly with Peter.
In 3 turns we bribe to Free Market, then 13 turns from now Peter might go Free Religion and Friendly with France right before we can get Communism.
There is a good chance Peter will get Louis' vote now that I look.
Speaking of game ending threats, Sitting Bull has 550, a short walk to Canal City, and the ability to produce a Spy sooner or later.
Sabotaging the progress of West Point or Intelligence Agency would be a disaster.
Canal City has no slack with production to recover.
Blowing up our Dun on the turn of the Victory Screen would also be the ultimate game over.Spoiler :
Maybe build another spy with those spare hammers you’re tossing around.
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Triremes in Cahokia is better than a spy...
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Our score is +1 on PR. How does our population compare to what theirs is likely to be maxed out at without Sushi?
They need a corp and could have Cereal Mills which does not have a culture component. However, there are only 4 resources (+3 food). So that makes no sense cus you need Electricity and Refrigeration.
Wait, was Medicine/sushi an optional tech? Did we do an extra 7000 just to get sushi?
Yes, medicine was optional
We determined the buildings and specialists were worth teching the extra medicine
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It is...If you think about the opportunity cost of liberalism, the extra cost is higher than 7000.
If we made the wrong choice, the Pheonixians will show us.
I'm happy with Sushi.
5 extra scientists in 5 cities is +55
5 more in Science is +100
+350
per turns pays back in 20 turns.We also can get Ironworks and UN+ Wall Street done in good time with the extra food.
I think we discussed this back on July 2nd.
Heck, our most recent Great Scientist worth 1800
would have been a dud if it was born a few turns later.Thanks Sushi!
It was founded T154 and completely spread on T163.
So about +600
for each city over the course of the game.It costs Emperor maintenance, not the horrifying Deity maintenance.
Its competition, Cereal Mills, is a bit of a dud on this map.
+1
for Wheat and Rice.More from other AI.
No border pops to get lots of extra forests.
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Oh man, I think sushi was a huge mistake. We forgot (or I did) that medicine was optional.
Looking back at the discussion, we calculated maybe sushi would be worth it if we got 50+ resources. When we thought every AI was gonna have the seafood that Peter has. Before that, the conclusion was that an extra 7000 for medicine is hard to make up for. We are definitely not getting an extra 7000 beakers from sushi, or if we are then, we still have all the sushi expenses to make up for.
This whole game went in the wrong direction such that it's unrecognizable from what we should have done. However, we did so well on trading tech with the AI that maybe we're still in the running.
I'm happy with Sushi.
5 extra scientists in 5 cities is +55
5 more in Science is +100
+350
I'm not saying it's a game-killer, but we will struggle to come out even or ahead.
your calc only makes up for the 7000.
but you also have to make up for 60 turns of 110
expenses (6600)And then we prolly coulda used Lib on a 10,000 tech, so that's another 3000.
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I'm happy too actually. It's just my habit of calculating opportunity cost
You didn't take corporation payment into account though. Till the end of game there will be a net gain of 6000+ beaker from sushi I think.
Right, a 10k tech.I'm not saying it's a game-killer, but we will struggle to come out even or ahead.
your calc only makes up for the 7000.
but you also have to make up for 60 turns of 110
And then we prolly coulda used Lib on a 10,000 tech, so that's another 3000.
We gave that up for Sushi.
Sushi Maintenance was 117
per turn on T182, but we got 56 per turn from HQ.So it is -61
per turn maintenance.Call it -3600
for the game.I still think 60 turns of kicking butt with Sushi put us ahead of the opportunity cost.
+600
for each city by the end of the game.**Edit**
Hmm, ok we aren't that far ahead of "no sushi" now that I look.
Thought we could get more Sushi resources
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Cough, so good idea or bad idea, we still have to stick the landing. (Final 35 turns)
I intend to bombard the island city down fast since it doesn't have Walls.
Then attack with City Raider 3 Drill Catapult first to weaken the defenders for our Muskets.
I also think our Chariot should go east to help pillage Aachen while our other Muskets goes northwest to pillage mine.
Then it can go west on Bismarck's roads to quickly reach some cottages.
Peter will be paid Military Tradition to adopt Free Market plus gold T185.
Bismarck will get Astro for Rep. Parts T187.
Then Education for Bureau and gold T189.
I intend to bombard the island city down fast since it doesn't have Walls.
Then attack with City Raider 3 Drill Catapult first to weaken the defenders for our Muskets.
I also think our Chariot should go east to help pillage Aachen while our other Muskets goes northwest to pillage mine.
Then it can go west on Bismarck's roads to quickly reach some cottages.
Peter will be paid Military Tradition to adopt Free Market plus gold T185.
Bismarck will get Astro for Rep. Parts T187.
Then Education for Bureau and gold T189.
