MirrorGuard
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AP hammer? If they get theology and Christianity, their cathedral is half price with access to stone. +6 before sci-method and +4 after.
[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices
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Simply excellent then.
Extremely early Clam City and cottages everywhere?
Fast gems and an Academy?
I can't wait to see what they did.
And the final obstacle of an early AP construction, the victory vote every 10 turns?
To us it seemed intolerable.
Perhaps they arranged it so no resolution was possible, then on those special 4 turns spread and got the victory vote at a good time?
That means it is not 1 chance every 10 turns with a 20 turn wait for chair election, but more like 4 every 14 I think.
They also could not Oracle Civil Service. Hmm
They also could not build a religious shrine.
Early Great Lighthouse also means a focus on early Theology.
If the 4 AI in the new world get AP first, the game is a bust with no UN possible.
Unless they did something heroic like monitor the AI hammers, spread Christianity to the target city, and did a religion flip with a spy at the critical moment.
Then vote themselves the chair and hope the AI city does not spread Christianity.
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We still have to win our game as fast as possible. 
No reason the last part of their game can't be played in 15 turns and uploaded.
Also, perhaps a mistake was made on the building requirements.
No reason the last part of their game can't be played in 15 turns and uploaded.
Also, perhaps a mistake was made on the building requirements.
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Mitchum
Deity
WT, what is your plan? Are you hoping to start playing some turns today. What open items are left for your PPP?
This game was one big brain fart. We had no interest in sushi until (seeing Peter's seafood) we hoped/calculated sushi might give 30+ food and dreamed there would also be some calendar happies around for that to work, but when the map was revealed, we didn't stop and change the plan.
By then, I don't know about ya'all, but I forgot that Medicine was not even required
We probably woulda done free Radio for 9360
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With sushi working like we imagined, on a normal map, our cities would be size 25 already. That was supposed to be ~T205 Superconductors/win. (50 turns after sushi)
Bulbing Edu was probably fine for quicker uni's and Oxford--one of the last things we did right, but after that, we went the wrong direction. With no major booster like corporations, there's no reason to bulb virtually-useless techs like PrintingPress, Chem and SciMethod (killing our monasteries and Sankore). Academies give more if you can be patient and wait for it. Probably no reason to build forges or even most courthouses, No extra bank, market, grocer, no extra barracks, etc. There really wasn't much to build.
Simple game really. Just turtle-up with Academies. Work all the coast tiles. Cooperate with the AI. I'm kinda sad we didn't get to play that game to compare our failgold/wonderbread and directed-AI-research plans. I thought all of that went well. I think our city locations are good too. Curious how different that aspect will be.
Anyway, we can keep on executing well on our horrible strategy. At least the pressure is off, Mitchum!
I'll check for any open items in the PPP and play later today.
By then, I don't know about ya'all, but I forgot that Medicine was not even required
We probably woulda done free Radio for 9360.With sushi working like we imagined, on a normal map, our cities would be size 25 already. That was supposed to be ~T205 Superconductors/win. (50 turns after sushi)
Bulbing Edu was probably fine for quicker uni's and Oxford--one of the last things we did right, but after that, we went the wrong direction. With no major booster like corporations, there's no reason to bulb virtually-useless techs like PrintingPress, Chem and SciMethod (killing our monasteries and Sankore). Academies give more
if you can be patient and wait for it. Probably no reason to build forges or even most courthouses, No extra bank, market, grocer, no extra barracks, etc. There really wasn't much to build. Simple game really. Just turtle-up with Academies. Work all the coast tiles. Cooperate with the AI. I'm kinda sad we didn't get to play that game to compare our failgold/wonderbread and directed-AI-research plans. I thought all of that went well. I think our city locations are good too. Curious how different that aspect will be.
Anyway, we can keep on executing well on our horrible strategy. At least the pressure is off, Mitchum!
I'll check for any open items in the PPP and play later today.
one cat on a scout and a couple chariots to guard Canal. Maybe 2 trireme or a couple galleys to guard the water.How did they get a 20xp unit?
PPP should be complete with all your comments included. Play in an hour probably. I expect to finish today or tomorrow morning at the latest.
Turtling up with Academy spam goes against all of our core instincts!
Good luck WastinTime.
If you think HRE should be pushed off a cliff, bribe Germany back into the war.
True, but once we reject bulbing fast StateProp/Kremlin (no food/few workshops), Biology(no farms), and/or corporations, it's pretty simple math to choose academies.
The first time we got the whole map of the new world was T142 640AD I think.
Sushi had more promise up until that point, but by then it was too late for cottages/AP to really shine I think.
Who knew Peter would never build a crab Workboat, or leave the seafood islands undeveloped?
AP (Oracle) and Great Lighthouse decisions were made in the BC era.
I wonder if we had ditched Sushi and went all Academies back at T142 if we could have gone faster.
Not sure.
I really love the 7 city limit and no city gifting.
What a tense game!
Mapmaker made a gem.
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Mitchum
Deity
Green light. Good luck, WT!
I have no doubt that would be faster. All sushi is doing at this lame level is allowing us to work 5 specialists instead of 5 coastal tiles. Our cities are not larger.I wonder if we had ditched Sushi and went all Academies back at T142 if we could have gone faster.
Not sure.
back to the game....
Cows already has plenty of hammers for IW, factory, IPark. Might do a watermill, but I'll stick the worker plan for now so it can build wealth if needed.
Bismarck. Sell him Liberalism soon-ish and do FreeReligion 197, yes?
Turnset Report (192-205)
T192
Beg Clams from Peter. worked.
Peter: Marble for Clams
-71
193
Bismarck declares war on Charley without any help from us.
HRE
He adds a sword the island
Super-collateral cat dies. Not a scratch on the top LB. Others go down to 4.9
Cat dies, but LB down to 5.2
next best Super-collateral cat dies. Not a scratch on the top LB 5.2
thinking....debated saving a cat. Nope
CR3 cat dies 11%, but knocks LB down to 3-something
C2Cover Musket 93%
C2Cover Musket 94%
C2Cover Musket 96% takes out the 3 lbs.
sword 99.99%
axe, spear, spear (all 100%)
154
SB Trireme 96% dies.
Bank: 732 -74
T194
Louis : Scientist
Peter : Spy
Peter Physics for Communism + 130 (no civic change)
Louis Guilds for 60
Bank 848 -73
T195
CowsCity loves me and celebrates.
pillage stuff
T196
Mass Media (I can stretch to get Steam in 3t)
Peter takes Slavery, Theocracy, and... State Property!
There are six Triremes around Vienna, so I'm gonna swoop in, drop off and get out (stay in ocean)
HRE drops an Axe+settler on the old island ruins
I guess I let it settle? and wait a few turns to kill it for gold? Sure, I'll leave it.
Forest grows! (Science)
but not in the BFC.
Bank 797 -104
T197
Spy counter espy works.
Bismarck : FreeReligion +10 for Econ
pillage farm,farm, winery : 5, 2, 17
727 - 108
T198
Louis adopts Theocracy in his own. I guess we can sell him Banking now.
He can't change again this game, so no free religion.
Bismarckdemands asks nicely for SM, so we give it to him.
The galleon has to head out soon for GM duty, so I just raze the new island city and move outta there.
pillage wine, farm 11, 4
T199
Steam Power! (Coal, coal, coal, coal, coal...
Whale's new windmill ironically has coal. (mine it?)
Canal get a coal mine (no road)
Science of course has one so no team could get free iron there.
Cows gets one on a windmill.
There are a couple more around our land.
Do we need to connect most of them? or just one?
pillage cottages: 5, 7, 11
Bank 578
T200
Islam in Hamburg
Sal gets a GG and Charley loses one! You know what that means.
Sal attacks Aachen!
Bismarck tries to clean up the leftovers.
All that's left is Axe 4.0, and two swords 2.0
Muskets win at 90%, 99, 99
104, 1 city left
Louis get Econ for 50
Bank: 603 -100
T201
Sal: music for 40
pillage farm, winery
drum roll....
T202
Science gives birth
We're doing 1700bpt (final)
1530 to steal HRE gold, so I'm putting EPs back on SB.
T203
Whales gets a BFC forest
+1 health, preserve it.
Trade mission : 1700
T204
AssemblyLine
IronWorks Complete
Peter finally nets another Clam (still not crab) He has 0gpt for trade....
It trade him 9 for Clam and then...
One of our 2 coal for Clam + 7
Sushi is +13 food now.
France is Friendly cus +2 shared tech. They're still under Sal on the scoreboard.
btw Peter settled Rice+2 more seafood on the big 'Astronomy Island'. I thought Louis would get there first. Pete did NOT settle his 3food island yet. He should have 6 more seafood.
He's doing Democracy (8) if anyone cares.
T205
Louis : Sistine (cash out next turn)
Bank: 1705 -144
Louis passed Sal on score and now our relations are
+12
+12 also for Sal and
+14 Bismarck.
T192
Beg Clams from Peter. worked.
Peter: Marble for Clams
-71
193
Bismarck declares war on Charley without any help from us.
HRE
He adds a sword the island
Super-collateral cat dies. Not a scratch on the top LB. Others go down to 4.9
Cat dies, but LB down to 5.2
next best Super-collateral cat dies. Not a scratch on the top LB 5.2
thinking....debated saving a cat. Nope
CR3 cat dies 11%, but knocks LB down to 3-something
C2Cover Musket 93%
C2Cover Musket 94%
C2Cover Musket 96% takes out the 3 lbs.
sword 99.99%
axe, spear, spear (all 100%)
154
SB Trireme 96% dies.
Bank: 732 -74
T194
Louis : Scientist
Peter : Spy
Peter Physics for Communism + 130 (no civic change)
Louis Guilds for 60
Bank 848 -73
T195
CowsCity loves me and celebrates.
pillage stuff
T196
Mass Media (I can stretch to get Steam in 3t)
Peter takes Slavery, Theocracy, and... State Property!
There are six Triremes around Vienna, so I'm gonna swoop in, drop off and get out (stay in ocean)
HRE drops an Axe+settler on the old island ruinsI guess I let it settle? and wait a few turns to kill it for gold? Sure, I'll leave it.
Forest grows! (Science)
but not in the BFC.Bank 797 -104
T197
Spy counter espy works.
Bismarck : FreeReligion +10 for Econ
pillage farm,farm, winery : 5, 2, 17
727 - 108
T198
Louis adopts Theocracy in his own. I guess we can sell him Banking now.
He can't change again this game, so no free religion.
Bismarck
The galleon has to head out soon for GM duty, so I just raze the new island city and move outta there.
pillage wine, farm 11, 4
T199
Steam Power! (Coal, coal, coal, coal, coal...
Whale's new windmill ironically has coal. (mine it?)
Canal get a coal mine
(no road)Science of course has one so no team could get free iron there.
Cows gets one on a windmill.
There are a couple more around our land.
Do we need to connect most of them? or just one?
pillage cottages: 5, 7, 11
Bank 578
T200
Islam in Hamburg
Sal gets a GG and Charley loses one! You know what that means.
Sal attacks Aachen!
Bismarck tries to clean up the leftovers.
All that's left is Axe 4.0, and two swords 2.0
Muskets win at 90%, 99, 99
104
, 1 city leftLouis get Econ for 50
Bank: 603 -100
T201
Sal: music for 40
pillage farm, winery
drum roll....
T202
Science gives birth
Spoiler :
We're doing 1700bpt (final)
1530 to steal HRE gold, so I'm putting EPs back on SB.
T203
Whales gets a BFC forest
+1 health, preserve it.Trade mission : 1700
T204
AssemblyLine
IronWorks Complete
Peter finally nets another Clam (still not crab) He has 0gpt for trade....
It trade him 9
for Clam and then...One of our 2 coal for Clam + 7
Sushi is +13 food now.
France is Friendly cus +2 shared tech. They're still under Sal on the scoreboard.
btw Peter settled Rice+2 more seafood on the big 'Astronomy Island'. I thought Louis would get there first. Pete did NOT settle his 3food island yet. He should have 6 more seafood.
He's doing Democracy (8) if anyone cares.
T205
Louis : Sistine (cash out next turn)
Bank: 1705 -144
Louis passed Sal on score and now our relations are
+12
+12 also for Sal and
+14 Bismarck.
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Ya, free religion should be fine for Bismarck I think.
He might get Friendly with France, but I don't think he will sell Liberalism to France unless France has a tech Bismarck is lacking.
France with Free religion would be bad for us due to improved French->Russia relations.
Cool, I did not know one could beg a resource.Turnset Report (192-205)
T192
Beg Clams from Peter. worked.
Peter: Marble for Clams
-71
193
Bismarck declares war on Charley without any help from us.
HRE
He adds a sword the island
Super-collateral cat dies. Not a scratch on the top LB. Others go down to 4.9
Cat dies, but LB down to 5.2
next best Super-collateral cat dies. Not a scratch on the top LB 5.2
thinking....
Dang, that top LB is tough without an Airship.
Maybe our best musket, and then the final wimpy Catapult?
Then it is 7 Muskets vs. 7 injured defenders.
Might have to cease fire with Sitting Bull if our War Weariness from SB + HRE gets too high.
He was only 41% odds, and I figured the other HRE cities can get bombarded by the AI, so no cats any more. They were great, veteran units.
If we want to participate in destroying HRE instead of letting AI take over, our capital can make 1 or 2 more 9xp super collateral damage Catapults.
Silver could also make an Airship at half price with heroic epic for the top defender.
Package deal of all 3 is 140
Hmm, or we could try and let war drag till end of game for diplo.
Or get everyone on SB after UN and bribe Peter to cease fire
I'm fine with whatever WT decides.
Silver could also make an Airship at half price with heroic epic for the top defender.
Package deal of all 3 is 140
Hmm, or we could try and let war drag till end of game for diplo.
Or get everyone on SB after UN and bribe Peter to cease fire
I'm fine with whatever WT decides.
I'll go with no new units rt now Maybe after the GM.
LowtherCastle
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Imo we went awry on T5 when, with plenty of map knowledge, we failed to study the map and notice how powerful 2Clams was with its river plains tiles, relative to the other tundra sites.
2Clams with minimal distance maintenance not only didn’t slow down tge cow pasture (T14 either way), it was twice closer to Cows for fishing boats.
Then 2Clams was twice closer to Canal for fishing boats.
Of course, as you’ve all mentioned, failing to properly analyze the nature of a deep tech run with 7xOCC was fatal.
All kudos to PR.
2Clams with minimal distance maintenance not only didn’t slow down tge cow pasture (T14 either way), it was twice closer to Cows for fishing boats.
Then 2Clams was twice closer to Canal for fishing boats.
Of course, as you’ve all mentioned, failing to properly analyze the nature of a deep tech run with 7xOCC was fatal.
All kudos to PR.
2 clams with plains tiles is poop on a normal map.
We had high ambitions at the start.
