[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[WastinTime]

Oops, I forgot about that!
Yes, he probably will.

He has to wait a certain # of turns after his last switch. So we may not want to rush a missionary over there?
Or we get a spy over there an flip him back at convenient times.
Or just ask him nicely to switch (for tech)

Don't forget. We have a head start on OB with SB and resource trades +mods. He might be better for Philo.

If he’s been running 1sci, we have 6t to get Alpha and gift him Meditation and (Phood)-CoL

There's always GS #2

 

[WastinTime]

Sure? I guess we need currency

Currency pays for itself eventually--in case you're thinking of patiently waiting. The AI is slow to research it.
As Kait said, you don't normally regret getting it.
Build wealth is not as good as failgold, but sometimes beggars can't be choosers. We were perfectly happy to put hammers in Henge before stone. That's just 'build wealth'. I think we need build wealth a little bit to keep tech moving. If we do paper 1st, we could be dead in the water until Mids.

 

[WastinTime]

Disagree. Science has almost nothing to do. It can 2-whip a monastery right after the warrior+Mids. Then, missionaries come out 2 every 5 turns

Hmm. I suppose we could be patient and wait for free spread. It is the closest.
But carting him off to Peter so soon doesn't feel right. I'll take a free spread there too.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Ok, I am happy with Currency.

If we had more money I'd like Paper, but we don't, so currency looks better.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Currency pays for itself eventually--in case you're thinking of patiently waiting. The AI is slow to research it.
As Kait said, you don't normally regret getting it.
Build wealth is not as good as failgold, but sometimes beggars can't be choosers. We were perfectly happy to put hammers in Henge before stone. That's just 'build wealth'. I think we need build wealth a little bit to keep tech moving. If we do paper 1st, we could be dead in the water until Mids.

Kait’s talking about a quick Mids. Then we need something else to put fail goal into.

Canal is 14 far from Cows, Silver 13. Whales is the farthest but weak for spamming currently.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Poverty Point built a totem pole t73.

SB won’t spam any GSes elsewhere than PP. Watch for him whipping a library there. Cahokia could theoretically run two sci at p4.

 

[WastinTime]

Then we need something else to put fail goal into.

Moai.
While Science builds missionaries until Paper/Sankhore.

 

[MirrorGuard]

+chicken Itza for fail gold.

 

[Mitchum]

So it sounds like the plan is Currency -> Paper and Mids in Cows ASAP, right? Any constraints in testing or can we chop/whip freely? I'm out until Monday for testing...

 

[Kaitzilla]

So it sounds like the plan is Currency -> Paper and Mids in Cows ASAP, right? Any constraints in testing or can we chop/whip freely? I'm out until Monday for testing...

Avoid chopping any forests into capital from 3rd ring.
The whole empire can chop for mids, but capital forests are best to chop for Oxford now I think.

We could also use a fur, silver, and rice to trade to Peter.
Those would help him grow the most.
Maybe we road those right after Mids completes.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Kait’s talking about a quick Mids

Looks like we can stuff gold into Mids all but 2 turns and get the last hammers in at Cow City on T92 on T94 sorry.
Oddly enough, we don't seem to need the Dun trick because the 1 turn we can't put any hammers into mids while we don't have stone actually hurts!

Let me write out a rough draft PPP.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Rough Draft PPP
Turn 80 to T92
Last hammers go into Pyramids T94​

Techs
T80 - Anarchy
T81 - Currency 0% (227 +24) Currency@ 0+Overflow/624
T82 - Currency 0% (251 +28) Currency@ 2/624
T83 - Currency 0% (279 +23) +7 Currency@3/624
T84 - Currency 0% (302 +22) Currency@12/624
T85 - Currency 100% (324 -57) +88 Currency@13/624
T86 - Currency 100% (267 -58) +90 Currency@119/624
T87 - Currency 100% (209 -57) +83 Currency@228/624
T88 - Currency 100% (152 -60) +100 Currency@328/624
T89 - Currency 100% (100 -60) +99 Currency@449/624 (Note the +8 from missionary whip)
T90 - Currency 50% (40 -19) +47 Currency@569/624
T91 - Paper 0% (21 +34) Paper@ 0+Overflow/936

Civic Change
T80 - Revolt to Bureaucracy

Workers
Rex - (Worker 1S of Rice)
T80 - Chop into Clam City granary
T81 - Farm plains tile 1E of Rice
T82 - Move to forest 1N of Clam City
T83 - Move to forest 1E of Clam City
T84 - T87 Chop forest 1E of Clam City
T88 - Move to forest 1N1E of Clam City
T89 - T92 Chop forest

Shepherd - (Worker 1E of Rice)
T80 - T82 Farm plains tile 1E of Rice
T83 - Move to forest 1N of Clam City
T84 - T87 Chop forest 1N of Clam City
T88 - Move to forest 2N of Clam City
T89 - T91 Chop forest

Cowboy - (Worker 1S1W of Silver City)
T80 - Finish Camp on Deer 1S2W of Silver City
T81 - Move to 1S1E of Whale City
T82 - T85 Pasture Horse 2S of Whale City
T86 - Move to Fur 2S1E of Whale City
T87 - T90 Camp Fur
T91 - Move to 2E1S of Whale City

Phillip - (Worker 1S of Cow City)
T80 - T81 Road 1S of Cow City
T82 - Move to tundraforesthill 2N2E of Cow City
T83 - T86 Chop forest 2N2E of Cow City
T87 - Move to forest 3N1E of Cow City
T88 - T91 Chop forest
T92 - Move to forest 3N of Cow City
T93 - T94 Chop forest to finish Pyramids

Joan Dark - (Worker on Galley 1N2E of Profit City)
T80 - Sail to 3S1E of Deer and step off galley onto the forest plain hill 2S2E of Deer tile to fix Deer Road
T81 - T82 Road 2S2E of Deer tile
T83 - Move to forest 1E of Cow City
T84 - T86 Chop forest 1E of Cow City
T87 - Finish Road 1N of Cow City
T88 - Move to forest 2N of Cow City
T89 - T91 Chop forest

T92 - Move to forest 3N of Cow City
T93 - T94 Chop forest to finish Pyramids
​

Heretic - (Worker born in Canal City on T85)
T85 - Move to 1S of Canal City
T86 - Move to tundrahillforest 2S1E of Canal City
T87 - T90 Chop Forest
T91 - Move to forest 3S2E of Canal City


Cities
Science
T80 - Anarchy
T81 - Warrior; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T82 - Pyramids (Goes to 256/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T83 - Confucian Monastery (Goes to 13/60); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Scientist x2
T84 - 2-pop Whip Confucian Monastery; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm
T85 - Pyramids (Goes to 371/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T86 - T87 Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T88 - 1-pop Whip Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm
T89 - Pyramids (Goes to 461/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T90 - T91 Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm
T92 - Confucian Missionary; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm x2
T93 - Pyramids (Goes to 498/500); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsfarm x2

Cows
T80 - Anarchy
T81 - Lighthouse; Crab, Cow, Deer
T82 - T84 Lighthouse; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm
T85 - 2-pop Whip Lighthouse; Crab, Cow, Deer
T86 - Pyramids (Goes to 290/500); Crab, Cow, Deer (2 chops land)
T87 - T88 Library; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm
T89 - T90 Library; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm, Coast
T91 - 3-pop Whip Library; Crab, Cow, Deer (2 chops land)
T92 - Wealth; Crab, Cow, Deer
T93 - Wealth; Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm
T94 - Pyramids (Goes to 528/500); Crab, Cow, Deer, Plainsriverfarm (chop lands)

Canal
T80 - Anarchy
T81 - T82 Worker; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast x2
T83 - Worker; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam, Coast, Tundra 1 (Important to get 29/60!)
T84 - 2-pop Whip Worker; Clam, Crab, unimproved Clam
T85 - Workboat (for Clam City); Clam x2, Crab (3rd Seafood Netted!)
T86 - T87 Library; Clam x2, Crab, Tundraforesthill 2
T88 - Library; Clam x2, Crab, Coast x2
T89 - Library; Clam x2, Crab, Coast x2, Tundraforesthill 2
T90 - 3-pop Whip Library; Clam x2, Crab (chop lands)
T91 - Pyramids (Goes to 110/500); Clam x2, Crab, Coast

Silver
T80 - Anarchy
T81 - Library; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur
T82 - T83 Library; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Coast
T84 - Library; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Coast, Angry Citizen
T85 -T86 Library; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Coast x2
T87 - 3-pop Whip Library; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Deer
T88 - Pyramids (Goes to 62/500); Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Deer
T89 - Courthouse; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Deer
T90 - T91 Courthouse; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Deer, Angry Citizen

Profit
T80 - Anarchy
T81 - T84 Granary; Crab, Stone, Coast
T85 - Granary; Crab, Stone, Whale
T86 - 1-pop Whip Granary; Crab, Stone (Avoid Growth Button ON!)
T87 - T89 Lighthouse; Crab, Stone
T90 - Lighthouse; Crab, Stone (Avoid Growth Button OFF!)
T91 - Lighthouse; Crab, Sone, Whale

Whales
T80 - Anarchy
T81 - Pyramids (Goes to 68/500); Crab
T82 - T84 Workboat; Crab, Clam
T85 - T87 Workboat; Crab, Clam, Horse
T88 - Workboat; Crab, Clam, Horse, Silvermine
T89 - 1-pop Whip workboat; Crab, Clam, Horse
T90 - Pyramids (Goes to 138/500); Crab, Clam, Horse
T91 - Lighthouse; Crab x2, Clam, Horse

Clam City
T80 - Anarchy (Chop lands)
T81 - Granary completes; Clam (Avoid Growth Button ON!)
T82 - Lighthouse; Clam
T83 - Pyramids (Goes to 10/500); Clam
T84 - Pyramids (Goes to 12/500); Clam (Avoid Growth Button OFF!)
T85 - T86 Lighthouse; Clam, Plainsfarm
T87 - Pyramids (Goes to 136/500); Clam, Plainsfarm (2 chops land)
T88 - T89 Lighthouse; Clam x2, Plainsfarm
T90 - 2-pop Whip Lighthouse; Clam x2
T91 - Wealth; Clam x2 (chop lands)
T92 - Pyramids (Goes to 324/500); Clam x2, PhillMine (chop lands)

Units
Galley 1 (1N2E of Profit City)
T80 - Sail to 3S1E of Deer and drop off Joan Dark onto the forest plain hill 2S2E of Deer tile
T81 - T86 Pick up Warrior 3 and sail to Silver City
T87 - Walk Warrior 3 into Silver City from galley and sail back towards Cow City to pick up Confu Missionary
T89 - Sail to 4W3N of Cow City and wait for Confu Missionary

Galley 2
T80+ Explore west and try to find Peter's homeland

Scout 1 (Near Galley 2)
T80+ - Explore the west with Galley 2

Chariot (South of Sitting Bull's lands)
T80+ Explore to find more AI!

Warrior 3 (1S of Science City)
T80 - Move to 2S2E of Deer tile and prepare to board Galley 1
T81 - T86 Board Galley 1 and sail to Silver City (Make sure it is in fact Warrior 3 and not Joan Dark!)
T87 - Walk off Galley 1 into Silver City
T88 - T91 Move to Whale City
T92+ Garrison Whale City

Workboat 10 (Born in Cow City on Turn 78)
T80 - T84 Sail to Canal City
T85 - Net clams, the 3rd seafood for Canal City

Workboat 11 (Born in Silver City on Turn 78)
T80 - T81 Sail to 2S1W of Whale City
T82 - Net clams for Whale City

Confucian Missionary 1 (Born in Cow City on Turn 80)
T80 - T82 Move to Science City
T83 - Spread Confu religion to Science City

Warrior 4 (Born in Science City on Turn 82)
T82+ Garrison Science City

Workboat 12 (Born in Canal City on T86)
T86 - T87 Sail to 3E of Clam City
T88 - Net clams for Clam City

Confucian Missionary 2 (Born in Science City on T89)
T89 - T90 Move to 1S of Cow City
T91 - T92 Move to 2N3W of Cow City

Workboat 13 (Born in Whale City on T90)
T90 - Sail to crab 1N2W of Whale City
T91 - Net crab for Whale City

Diplomacy
Espionage on Sitting Bull
T80 - T92 If Sitting Bull demands crab or a health resource or fur, give it to him.
If Sitting Bull demands horse, silver, or stone, tell him NO!
T80 - T92 If Sitting Bull marches a Settler into Canal City's territory, which is likely to happen since he scouted our territory and found a lot of resources, cancel Open Borders with Sitting Bull and teleport that Settler back home.
T80 - T92 Check each turn if someone has Alphabet

Stopping Points
Pyramids is completed by the AI
Meet a new AI
Start of Turn 85 is reached
A stack containing more than 1 Sitting Bull military unit is spotted marching towards Canal City

Notes
Save at the end of each turn
Check that and matches before pressing next turn.
Check SBs production, watch for a Settler.

**Edit**
100% Done!
We can watch the Pyramids movie on Turn 95 and get 1132

 

[WastinTime]

I'll need some more time, but T92 feels a little early for Mids. Is there value in getting it so soon? are we planning to go rep/caste right away? I have some plans brewing.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I'll need some more time, but T92 feels a little early for Mids. Is there value in getting it so soon? are we planning to go rep/caste right away? I have some plans brewing.

I fear Ramesses with stone.
One never knows.

Our entire game strategy revolves around needing Pyramids if we are going to try and get 9 great people.

Can just keep pumping more into Maoi next, then Sankore later.

No real plans for rep/caste.
Just the bones of plans right now.

 

[WastinTime]

OK, so get mids before someone else does. And get failgold cus we are out.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Ya, the empire naturally runs out of failgold pumping for Pyramids anyway around T94.


Possible changes to rough draft PPP are to whip Heretic on T83, 1 turn early.
Overflow goes into Pyramids T84 giving us +40 more than rough draft PPP.
Canal City does not get a workboat T85, and Clam City keeps the workboat from Cow City for T88.

Clam City puts 2 hammers into a workboat on T83+T84, then whip workboat complete on T94 and sends it to Canal City and nets the 3rd seafood on T97.
Or maybe just 1 hammer into workboat T84, I'm not sure.
Need to look if Lighthouse can fit 1 more gammer.

Other change is that if we are going into Caste on Turn 95, then Whale City should whip a lighthouse T89 and not a workboat.
The workboat can be constructed slowly with hammers T91+ or whipped on T92 or T93.
Oops, this is a not very good idea.
Workboat 1st and Lighthouse can be whipped T94 is better now that I look a 2nd time.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Don't forget. We have a head start on OB with SB and resource trades +mods. He might be better for Philo.

Sitting Bull will never be Friendly if he approaches our lands and we close Open Borders to save our forests+wheat and keep him from building border tension negmods.

As far as I know the diplo bonus resets to 0.
Getting Open Borders again later means we have to start from scratch.

The only way to get Friendly Sitting Bull without Open Borders is to hope he demands our crab or demands we switch to Confu religion (I think this is +1?) after a lucky spread.

 

[WastinTime]

I don't feel like gambling on a 50% GS in Canal.
it would be more like 45% if we do it 1st and ?? 65% if 2nd? just guessing.
The problem with doing it 2nd is that we don' t know if we should start manually doing Edu or not after paper.
So, I'd rather just not do the 55% Gspy.
That leaves Whales or Science. I don't think whales is ready, but it maybe could be.

I'm currently thinking Science now that we don't have those nasty gems tiles to work anyway.
So, we change the PPP to get 48 total gpp in Science. It currently shows 24, so we only need 24 more.
That's 1 sci for 8 more turns (before T95) (or 2 sci for 4 turns, whatever)
Then, on T95 we do Rep+Caste and 6 turns of caste at 9gpp = 102 (GS 100%)
5 more turns of caste and we get 200+ gpp in Silver.

So, T107 we get Edu.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I don't feel like gambling on a 50% GS in Canal.
it would be more like 45% if we do it 1st and ?? 65% if 2nd? just guessing.
The problem with doing it 2nd is that we don' t know if we should start manually doing Edu or not after paper.
So, I'd rather just not do the 55% Gspy.
That leaves Whales or Science. I don't think whales is ready, but it maybe could be.

I'm currently thinking Science now that we don't have those nasty gems tiles to work anyway.
So, we change the PPP to get 48 total gpp in Science. It currently shows 24, so we only need 24 more.
That's 1 sci for 8 more turns (before T95) (or 2 sci for 4 turns, whatever)
Then, on T95 we do Rep+Caste and 6 turns of caste at 9gpp = 102 (GS 100%)
5 more turns of caste and we get 200+ gpp in Silver.

So, T107 we get Edu.

We could work Scientist instead of Horse in capital on T90 +T91
Then work 2 Scientists at Size 6 on T92, T93, T94
That gets us to 48/100 by T95.

 

[MirrorGuard]

Cowboy - (Worker 1S1W of Silver City)
T80 - Finish Camp on Deer 1S2W of Silver City
T81 - Move to 1S1E of Whale City
T82 - T85 Pasture Horse 2S of Whale City
T86 - Move to Fur 2S1E of Whale City
T87 - T90 Camp Fur

Camp the fur or mine it?

T87 - T89 Lighthouse; Crab, Stone

I doubt if it's better to work on whale+crab when food bin is not full.

Seems cows border will pop soon. Does that threaten the pillagable deer-gem road?