[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[LowtherCastle]

WT hangs 11.

Unless he has 11 toes, that could well tip the balance.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I am happy to get IW and Monarchy in trades.
This was not possible the last time we discussed Alphabet 10 turns ago.

We know Peter is not working on it. He just completed Monarchy.
We will not meet new AI in the next 10 turns due to ice.

The only way we are getting Alpha for free is from Sitting Bull.

Why tech Alpha?

Because we can gift 2 civs with the Philosophical trait Math, Alphabet, Meditation, and Code of Laws and they will likely bulb Philosophy for us.

We can put Peter on the fast track to Friendly by trading him civil service.

Take the free IW and Monarchy now that our workers are free.
Improve gems, iron, and wine before we have to start chopping for oxford.

Give them all the tech we have now so they will tech something good for us like Monotheism or Feudalism.

Grab Archery now and it won't count as WFYABTA for the 4 new AI.
Get the gold and +4 mods from Pete and SB.

Will an AI bulb Philo if Taoism has already been discovered?

SB is whipping totem poles so we can assume close border negmods about 20t after he settles near us...unless that city autospreads Confu... That’s our window to get SB at Friendly.

Does SB have any libraries yet?

If we want Philo from Peter, we’ll need techs for the trade.

 

[MirrorGuard]

I probably won't have time to test or play in the next 2 days.
To-do list
0 civic switch
1 call the galley in far west back to explore the fogged corners. pick up the scout
2 get paper 1st, prepare to buy map in full cash. What's next? Mono/ MC/ alphabet/ ?
3 convert Peter. SB pleased already. steps to make them friendly.
4 new galley loaded with chariot, send back the wb if blocked by ice
5 get GSs. 3rd GP from canal?
6 whale cows science clam may have enough organic hammer to complete something. Moai Sankore Chicken Itza for fail gold
7 find job for workers: road resources but deer, prechop for Oxford

 

[Kaitzilla]

Will an AI bulb Philo if Taoism has already been discovered?

SB is whipping totem poles so we can assume close border negmods about 20t after he settles near us...unless that city autospreads Confu... That’s our window to get SB at Friendly.

Does SB have any libraries yet?

If we want Philo from Peter, we’ll need techs for the trade.

I don't think an AI will bulb Philo if Taoism is already founded, but I'm not sure.

Peter can have Metal Casting, our map, and a bit more for Philosophy.
Maybe Mono once we meet a 3rd AI and get it.
I think we have explored the entire map now except for ice wall south.

If we convert Peter to Confu, there is a 15 turn window before he can change religions again.
We grab Philo in those 15 turns.
If Peter founds Tao before our missionary gets there, we don't convert to Confu.
Let the bureau bonus build to +3 shared civic

If SB converts to Taoism, we can spread Confu to his wheat city and use a spy to flip him back to Confu by force!
-40% cost due to Confu holy city and different religions.

We can tech way faster than SB or Peter.
I'm not scared to advance them, especially if we have iron.

 

[Kaitzilla]

It is time to bust a move.

Ice age emperor are too slow to treat them normally.

Sitting Bull can have 1 more turn to tech Alpha for us while we anarchy.

Our 2 AI are going to bulb math if we keep waiting.

 

[WastinTime]

Will an AI bulb Philo if Taoism has already been discovered?

no

Ice age emperor are too slow to treat them normally.

Peter seems like he's got some momentum. SB just has no food.

 

[WastinTime]

call the galley in far west back to explore the fogged corners. pick up the scout

You mean pick up missionary. You are going to murder the scout.

prepare to buy map in full cash

We won't buy maps now that SB couldn't have explored for us. What could they possibly reveal?

What's next?

MC

3rd GP from canal?

Yes, eventually.
I think best to grow to size 7 first. work the unimproved clam a bit. We couldn't get there by T95 cus of the angry citizen.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Dang!

Peter just converted Monarchy.

He won't naturally switch to bureau for 25 turns unless we bribe him 5 turns from now.

It is usually costs a hefty tech according to my memory.

If we trade him COL, Math, and Civil Service, what is left to bribe him with to switch to bureau?

Paper is no good because it ruins Philo bulb.

Is Alphabet+World map enough to get Peter to switch to bureaucracy? Hmm

Yes, Alpha+map might be enough.

 

[Mitchum]

You mean pick up missionary. You are going to murder the scout.

Not yet. When I looked at the map, I thought that there could possibly be a passage to the S of the first island west of Peter's mainland. It looks like the galley went to the north side of the island. Or is it not possible to be a passage there?

 

[Kaitzilla]

If we want Philo from Peter, we’ll need techs for the trade.

I am now thinking Metal Casting + Paper + Currency for Philosophy.

Would have to keep an eye on him self-teching Education though.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Not yet. When I looked at the map, I thought that there could possibly be a passage to the S of the first island west of Peter's mainland. It looks like the galley went to the north side of the island. Or is it not possible to be a passage there?

There is a chance a passage could be there sure.

Spoiler :

Here is the Ice Wall down south.
Hopefully Chariot on the island down south will be enough to meet AI.

Spoiler :

The mapmaker may have made it so only a city on that island with a fort for galleys to pass through can meet the 4 AI before Optics.
That would reward anyone who waited to settle their 7th city down there be rewarded the most.

 

[Kaitzilla]

To be more clear, I would be happy to wait for Alphabet from Sitting Bull if Peter and SB do not meet next turn for some reason.

Getting Peter into Bureaucracy without getting Iron Working for the effort is just too expensive.

 

[WastinTime]

what is left to bribe him with to switch to bureau?

Currency or MC. We won't have Alpha, He will!

Or is it not possible to be a passage there?

Not possible

There is a chance a passage could be there sure.

No, the foodless ocean tile prevents that, right?

Would have to keep an eye on him self-teching Education though.

Yes, that's why he gets Machinery for Philo (assuming we don't get it from SB, which is plan A)

That would reward anyone who waited to settle their 7th city down there be rewarded the most

That makes a lot of sense. And it is a triple food site, so almost worth the wait.
But lack of forests...and horse doesn't reach. Maybe it's not meant to be a city.

 

[WastinTime]

Yes, that's why he gets Machinery for Philo

Could even be Feudal or Guilds

 

[WastinTime]

You never give Paper to the AI with Philo. (Liberalism block)
(and never give Philo to the AI with whom you gave paper)

 

[Kaitzilla]

No, the foodless ocean tile prevents that, right?

Might be an island 4W2S of Moscow, but it is literally the only1 tile island that could chain south for us.

 

[WastinTime]

The mapmaker may have made it so only a city on that island with a fort for galleys to pass through can meet the 4 AI before Optics

Or, reward the teams that settled ON marble with a culture bridge (lol...like ON marble was an option.)

 

[WastinTime]

Might be an island 4W2S of Moscow,

I stand corrected. The scout survives a bit longer, but is on life support. MG will still likely be the murderer.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I stand corrected. The scout survives a bit longer, but is on life support. MG will still likely be the murderer.

Gift the scout to Russia and sail it around on our boat?
Oops, can't actually do that.

Yes, the Scout will likely be dead soon.

Does SB have any libraries yet?

Sitting Bull has no Libraries.
His capital also has no Lighthouse.

Peter has 3 Libraries and 3 Lighthouses!

Spoiler :

Let's see, Peter's estimated tech rate.

Spoiler :

Alphabet will cost Emperor Peter 372

Moscow (Library): +3 from trade route to us. +8 from palace +1 from tile
Sheep, Cow, Horse, Silver, Coast? = +7
+19 commerce

Novgorod (Library): +3 from trade route +1 from tile
Clam, Coast?, Coast? = +6
+10 commerce

St. Petersburg (Library): +3 from trade route +1 from tile
Crab, Deer, Coast?, PMine? = +5
Crab, Deer, x2 Wine in the future will be +9
+9 commerce from now, +13 in future or more if city grows from higher happy cap

Yaroslav: +3 from trade route +1 from tile
unimproved/Improved Clam = +2
+6 commerce

Rostov: +3 from trade route to us +1 from tile

unimproved/Improved Clam = +2
+6 commerce

At 100% slider Russia working these tiles would do 59 per turn.
At a more realistic 70% slider, it would be 41 per turn.

Add in hidden +1 and multiply by 1.2 for knowing Writing, and Peter will have Alphabet done in 372 / 50 = 8 turns at 70% slider.​

 

[WastinTime]

3 libraries is great news. That means he has had writing for a while. Sometimes the AI doesn't get writing all that soon.
Also means he is teching fast.
It seems just random back luck that he chose Monarchy before Alpha.
Who knows what else he did after Writing. More than just Monarchy I'd think.