[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[Kaitzilla]

Playing Real Game now from PPP
Turnset #1 (T105 to T107)

Continuing from Mirrorguard's turnset here and here

T105 - Traded Meditation to Sitting Bull for 20 gold + switch to Org. Religion.
No gold for Math, so I will hang on to it.
Wants 4 gold for his map, but I'm not gonna buy it.

Moscow 263 in ToA

T106 - Nothing. Peter not teching Mono
Great Scientist vanished in a puff of light.

Moscow 285 in ToA

T107 - Education is ours! Just in time, we just learned the Alphabet

Chariot is encountering the end of its island!
I see ice and water...

Peter has 30 for trade.
I will very carefully! offer our techs one at a time and see if they are not enough for his 30g + map.
...
Nope, he is not 95% done with any of our 3 techs.

Moscow has 307 in ToA

Peter has a galley on top of our galley now.
7E1N of Rostov.

T108 - Dead end reached on southern Arctic Island!
The mapmaker has pwned us all.

Peter's workboat has finished with Profit island and turned...

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EAST towards Sitting Bull's homeland

Peter completed Temple of Artemis in Moscow (chop?)

Peter has 50 for trade!
I carefully put each of our techs on the table and Peter was happy with the deal, so he is not close to completing any of them within 50 + map beaker value.

Sitting Bull has 10 for trade.
We can probably trade him something.

..Oh, Peter is willing to convert to Slavery again for a price. hmm

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Reference number: 16354
Game: C-IV SGOTM 26
Your team: Home Slices
Your name: Kaitzilla
Date submitted: 2020-06-24
Software Version: BtS 3.19
Game date: 175BC
Total turns played: 108
Session turns played: 3
Player race: Celt
Firaxis score: 999
Session time played (hh:mm:ss): 01:32:47
Total time played (hh:mm:ss): 29:07:37
Game status: Incomplete
Submitted save: SGOTM 26 T108 175BC Game Paused Upload Now.CivBeyondSwordSave
Renamed file: Home_Slices_SG026_BC0175_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

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Here is your Session Turn Log from 250 BC to 175 BC:

Turn 105, 250 BC: Sitting Bull adopts Organized Religion!

Turn 106, 225 BC: Science has grown to size 9.
Turn 106, 225 BC: Cows has grown to size 7.
Turn 106, 225 BC: Canal has grown to size 8.
Turn 106, 225 BC: Silver can hurry Confucian Missionary for 2⇴ with 26ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 106, 225 BC: Profit has grown to size 5.
Turn 106, 225 BC: Whales has grown to size 6.
Turn 106, 225 BC: Silver will grow to size 10 on the next turn.
Turn 106, 225 BC: Clams will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 106, 225 BC: You have discovered Education!

Turn 107, 200 BC: Cows can hurry Confucian Monastery for 2⇴ with 31ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 21 turns.
Turn 107, 200 BC: Silver has grown to size 10.
Turn 107, 200 BC: Whales can hurry Moai Statues for 3⇴ with 13ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 22 turns.
Turn 107, 200 BC: Clams has grown to size 6.
Turn 107, 200 BC: Clams can hurry Library for 3⇴ with 23ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 23 turns.
Turn 107, 200 BC: Clearing a Forest will create 13 ℤ for Science.
Turn 107, 200 BC: Clearing a Forest will create 13 ℤ for Science.
Turn 107, 200 BC: You have trained Confucian Missionary in Silver. Work has now begun on a Confucian Monastery.
Turn 107, 200 BC: You have constructed a Confucian Monastery in Profit. Work has now begun on a Library.
Turn 107, 200 BC: Peter has completed The Temple of Artemis!

Turn 108, 175 BC: Science can hurry University for 4⇴ with 44ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 108, 175 BC: Canal has grown to size 9.
Turn 108, 175 BC: Canal can hurry Moai Statues for 3⇴ with 5ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 28 turns.
Turn 108, 175 BC: Whales can hurry Courthouse for 3⇴ with 6ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 21 turns.
Turn 108, 175 BC: Peter has 50 gold available for trade.

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[Kaitzilla]

SB in anarchy, but no money for our Math, awww
I'll hang on to Math for 10 gold a different turn.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Dead end down south, AWWwwww

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More shots from T108

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Dang, I was counting on the new 4AI to give us Iron Working.

Sitting Bull won't trade it to us after he meets Peter, only once we are Friendly with Sitting Bull I think.

Peter will trade techs at Annoyed, but not if Sitting Bull is his worst enemy.
I don't think -2 is enough when they meet for Peter to be Annoyed and Worst Enemy with Sitting Bull, just the lower end of Cautious.

Sitting Bull trades techs at Cautious, and he will only be -1 with Peter once they meet.

Peter and Sitting Bull will probably tech trade I think until Peter hits -3 with Sitting Bull 8 turns after they meet and maybe SB becomes his worst enemy.

 

[WastinTime]

Punished again for exploring.
I suppose our galley doesn't have time to come back and pick up chariot. If we're paying unit or supply cost, we murder him too.
No one needs an MP unit, right?

Math for 10
Mono for 50

Does that mean Peter would switch to OrgRel on T117? or 112? or ?

 

[WastinTime]

Dang, I thought Peter would have settled the copper site. That's where our 3rd missionary coulda gone

Peter has a galley on top of our galley now.
7E1N of Rostov.

Wait! What was this galley doing? Dropping off settler for copper?!
I can't think of any other reason it would be out this far.

 

[WastinTime]

T107 - Move 2N2E (Regretable we don't have time to unfog the corner, but we can at least see if it is coastal or not)

there was time to unfog the tile last turn and still is this turn, right? If you sail S - N , wasting this turn, you're still in position T109 for pickup 1 tile West of your current plan.
Missionaries are not delayed at all.

 

[Mitchum]

Punished again for exploring.
I suppose our galley doesn't have time to come back and pick up chariot. If we're paying unit or supply cost, we murder him too.
No one needs an MP unit, right?

Agreed. I've never seen a map where exploration actually hurts more than helps. Where is that post LC bookmarked?

Math for 10
Mono for 50

Agreed

 

[LowtherCastle]

Iron Working.

Sitting Bull won't trade it to us after he meets Peter, only once we are Friendly with Sitting Bull I think.

Peter will trade techs at Annoyed, but not if Sitting Bull is his worst enemy.
I don't think -2 is enough when they meet for Peter to be Annoyed and Worst Enemy with Sitting Bull, just the lower end of Cautious.

Sitting Bull trades techs at Cautious, and he will only be -1 with Peter once they meet..

i’m not familiar with this factor. I thought the only factor was the percentage of AI’s that know the tech. And for SB cautious with us.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Where is that post LC bookmarked?

???

I’ve often thought that an interesting SG would involve the map maker studying weak teams and comparing that to strong teams and designing the scenario to reward so-called weak team mistakes.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Punished again for exploring.
I suppose our galley doesn't have time to come back and pick up chariot. If we're paying unit or supply cost, we murder him too.
No one needs an MP unit, right?

Math for 10
Mono for 50

Does that mean Peter would switch to OrgRel on T117? or 112? or ?

Nope, chariot it is on its own.
It can probably explore the island fully for our map and perish.

Peter is scheduled to naturally change civics after his 25 turn timer runs out from Hereditary Rule inbetween T94 and T95.

Our bribe to bureau and caste was early enough not to affect the timer, so Peter will change civics again ibt T120 and 121 I think.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Dang, I thought Peter would have settled the copper site. That's where our 3rd missionary coulda gone

Wait! What was this galley doing? Dropping off settler for copper?!
I can't think of any other reason it would be out this far.

Galley was going south I think.
Might have been just exploring.
If there is a Settler our missionaries will see it soon.

there was time to unfog the tile last turn and still is this turn, right? If you sail S - N , wasting this turn, you're still in position T109 for pickup 1 tile West of your current plan.
Missionaries are not delayed at all.

My current path picks the missionaries up T110 and drops them off T111.

Exploring that tile last turn or this turn causes the missionaries to get picked up T111 and dropped off T112.
That has to be slower for the missionaries, right?

The galley could make it up for the first 2 by sailing farther west, but then the 3rd missionary is a step slower.

 

[Kaitzilla]

i’m not familiar with this factor. I thought the only factor was the percentage of AI’s that know the tech. And for SB cautious with us.

I thought all the pesky restrictions we deal with to trade, all the AI have to also?

But now that you mention it, I don't really know how the AI trade with each other.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Agreed. I've never seen a map where exploration actually hurts more than helps. Where is that post LC bookmarked?


Agreed

With 60 more gold, we can definitely go 100% slider again right now.
The question is, for what?

I don't think we are hurt by all the dead ends.
No one reached the 4AI before us by picking a lucky direction.
We know exactly what to do, tech Optics.

Maybe chop a caravel out at Cow City?
It still has forests.
If we partial build a Trireme, will it change to caravel when we unlock Optics?

 

[LowtherCastle]

I thought all the pesky restrictions we deal with to trade, all the AI have to also?

But now that you mention it, I don't really know how the AI trade with each other.

I think those rules apply to AIs trading with each other, but SB cautious with us is enough to get IW.

 

[Mitchum]

???

I’ve often thought that an interesting SG would involve the map maker studying weak teams and comparing that to strong teams and designing the scenario to reward so-called weak team mistakes.

I was referencing this post as a smart a$$ comment.

Exploration and map knowledge has often been a strong suit of this team. Interestingly, it didn't pay in this scenario. Hopefully the sacrifices we made in an attempt to gain this knowledge don't end up biting us.

In fact, the best case in this game would have been to ignore exploring SB and ignore the island in the North Sea and just send an early wb to the NW and met Peter early on. Any team that did this would have a slight advantage in this game.

 

[Mitchum]

If we partial build a Trireme, will it change to caravel when we unlock Optics?

I just tested this and the answer is no. A trireme upgrades to a caravel for gold but once we learn Optics, we can still build both a trireme and a caravel. It's not until we learn Chemistry and have access to Iron that a trireme build becomes a frigate build.

We could built a trireme and upgrade it to a caravel for 50 gold if we want though.

 

[Kaitzilla]

there was time to unfog the tile last turn and still is this turn, right? If you sail S - N , wasting this turn, you're still in position T109 for pickup 1 tile West of your current plan.
Missionaries are not delayed at all.

Actually, now that you mention it, how about I download the save and do the tech trades?

Math to SB for 10 + his map.
Monotheism to Peter for 50 + his map.

There might be some extra roads or a new city in Peter's land that might affect our galley exploring that final tile or not.

 

[Mitchum]

I don't think we are hurt by all the dead ends.
No one reached the 4AI before us by picking a lucky direction.
We know exactly what to do, tech Optics.

What's more important? Staying on the Sushi beeline right now or diverting to the Optics line? We will get IW in trade should we consider MC next? It would be nice to get that in trade...

EDIT: Optics is on the Sushi beeline.

 

[Mitchum]

Actually, now that you mention it, how about I download the save and do the tech trades?

Math to SB for 10 + his map.
Monotheism to Peter for 50 + his map.

There might be some extra roads or a new city in Peter's land that might affect our galley exploring that final tile or not.

I think we've already agreed to make these trades (right???) so I see no harm in doing it while we're planning the next mini turnset. I vote yes to the trades but maybe wait for other opinions.

 

[Mitchum]

Now is when we want to know what Peter is teching so we don't duplicate his research, right?

Can we discuss using the EP slider at 100% on Peter now?