[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices

[WastinTime]

Now that we know we're getting GM cash, we should plan some builds.
i think Silver might want to get the Dun trick set up in order to chop a sushi exec instantly (Kait's idea)
We will have some time in slavery before Medicine to set up this overflow.
Unless we think we'd keep those 2 forests forever for +1 food. Only hi score games really need execs coldwhipped or whip/chopped in 1 turn constantly. If all our cities get sushi online 1t later, it's just a tradeoff of 10 food for the expenses we save. If the food was free, it would be a different story.
So now I just talked myself into keeping those forests forever, and slow-whipping

 

[LowtherCastle]

So now I just talked myself into keeping those forests forever, and slow-whipping

Well that was quick. I may ask for your assistance next time we disagree.

I’ll be back twerking it at about 1 my time.

 

[WastinTime]

Every city has at least 10 things to whip before the end of the game, so whip anger will melt away, but always be there.
Seems like forges +2 happy is worth it for -1 health. And then all the population we save from those 10 whips.
So, everyone gets a forge first, courthouse 2nd, execs as needed, temple soon, probably rax.
Then all the required buildings that provide benefits and/or an army and navy.

Like I said before I think we might be best served by managing our whip anger. Try to use OF to build smaller stuff and save on whips. Maybe even try to use workshops to avoid whipping so much, but most likely we whip stuff like Bank so we can use the workshops for WallSt, IronWorks, WestPoint, etc.

 

[MirrorGuard]

we can use the workshops for WallSt, IronWorks, WestPoint, etc.

I'm a bit worrying about West Point. Canal city has nowhere to build workshops, only tundra mine or lumbermill.

 

[WastinTime]

I'm a bit worrying about West Point. Canal city has nowhere to build workshops, only tundra mine or lumbermill.

Good Point. That city will probably want to put overflow into WP. Maybe we up the priority of MilTradition soon-ish after Sushi. Shouldn't take too long to get a GG.
Then again, it might be nice to get that free from Peter.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I'm a bit worrying about West Point. Canal city has nowhere to build workshops, only tundra mine or lumbermill.

Yes. I was going to say, maybe we should try to put as much hammer overflow from smaller builds into the large ones. If we’re finishing T210 then we only have so many turns and whips to use to create all of these buildings.

10 bldgs / 60t = 1 bldg / 6t

 

[WastinTime]

T139
70g -62gpt 100% slider

We could get
30g for Music, Peter
20g for Music, SB
10g for Meditation, Sal (how many negmods?)
30g for HBR, Karl (guaranteed -4)

I don’t like risking no trade gold next turn...

That's not enough gold for me. Let's wait. I don't want to give Peter everything we have. At some point, we likely need to kill him. Ideally before he gets Rifles and slow him down before Privateers (Chem)

 

[WastinTime]

finishing T210

Might be 220 since we can just turtle up and finish researching in Caste. And we might need to add a military tech.

 

[LowtherCastle]

That's not enough gold for me. Let's wait. I don't want to give Peter everything we have. At some point, we likely need to kill him. Ideally before he gets Rifles and slow him down before Privateers (Chem)

More data: Neither K nor Sal show civics to flip. K offers all 30g for our maps.

Power score rankings:
1581 Us
943 Peter
714 K
692 Sal
632 SB

GNP
620 Us
157 Best
119 average
81 worst

Peter GNP ~ 1.3x SB’s. Tells me there’s either a really weak AI and Peter’s best or SB’s worst and there’s an AI better than Peter. We’ll see. Edit: Our GNP graphs roughly show our GNP at 4x Peter’s. He may be the strongest.

Now:
Music is the one remaining tech that won’t speed SB’s rate.

We’re on T139, +50g should get us through T140, next GA. I don’t see Peter ever teching fast enough to burden us. Once we know the map’s Conquest-friendly we can take Peter out, if he threatens.

One-time shot to get to the GA at 100%.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Don't sell our map to anyone in the new world.
They might take our circumnavigation bonus.

Losing 100% slider is not the end of the world.

Peter going too slow on Engineering is a much larger problem for us than having our slider dip.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Don't sell our map to anyone in the new world.
They might take our circumnavigation bonus.

Losing 100% slider is not the end of the world.

Peter going too slow on Engineering is a much larger problem for us than having our slider dip.

Right. Not selling the map till T141 is a given.

The detail stopping me from playing on is whether or not to acquire 30+20g from Peter+SB for Music this turn.

 

[WastinTime]

i voted no music trade

 

[LowtherCastle]

To me it’s a no-brainer. SB has been 0g for a couple turns. Peter just gave us 40 and next turn offers 30 more. I say grab it now.

I’m not worried about Peter later.

 

[LowtherCastle]

i voted no music trade

Got it!

Now I’d like to enlist your support in convincing WT otherwise...

 

[LowtherCastle]

Remember, WT was the one telling me to scrounge under sofa cushions..I’m already bleeding from a pencil tip and a scissors...

 

[LowtherCastle]

Alternative:
Optics to Peter for 30g.
CS to SB for 20g.

Hadn’t thought of that. That pushes Peter in the direction of Astro rather than (Nationalism-) Military Tradition. Gives SB something we were planning anyway.

Even a remote chance we complete circumnavigation if Peter has a unit to the far west and we get his maps after Optics.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I say we take the hit and lower the slider.

I have vast experience trading away big techs for 30 gold, and it always, always ends up making the world harder to conquer.

 

[WastinTime]

Optics to Peter for 30g.

are we positive he doesn't have a far western island with a trireme that becomes a caravel and circumnav's b4 us?
When was the last time we saw his map?

 

[Kaitzilla]

Alternative:
Optics to Peter for 30g.
CS to SB for 20g.

Hadn’t thought of that. That pushes Peter in the direction of Astro rather than (Nationalism-) Military Tradition. Gives SB something we were planning anyway.

Even a remote chance we complete circumnavigation if Peter has a unit to the far west and we get his maps after Optics.

These two trades might be ok.
Hmm

Optics is a big move.
Peter will meet the 4AI

 

[LowtherCastle]

are we positive he doesn't have a far western island with a trireme that becomes a caravel and circumnav's b4 us?
When was the last time we saw his map?

We have one tile to go. He’d have to upgrade, wait a turn, then a couple turns to circum. Plus, he’d need his culture there, which gives us circum if we get his maps after we give him Optics