MOTH
Emperor
I got it (or I will as soon as I fire up the laptop). I will play to be done before the redsox take to the field. Let our victory be inspiration to the Sox.
SGOTM4 - Team Bede
- Thread starter mad-bax
- Start date
MOTH
Emperor
0-1750 IBT - Polution in Hippo.
2-1754 IBT - Polutions in a mountain. We have 1 extra slave after clearing this.
3-1756 IBT - 2 Polution: near Utica and another mountain.
4-1758 - Trades to India and Ottomans for Steel and Radio.
5-1760 IBT We catch Ghandi trying to plant a spy.
6-1762 IBT Polution near LMOZ1
7-1764 IBT Babylon demands spices.
8-1766 - I now have 10 native workers. I switch Leptis Minor to wealth and next turn will join in 6 workers. Buy Combustion from India.
IBT - Pollution near LMOZ1.
9-1768 - Join in 5 workers to Leptis Minor to size 30 with growth in 2.
IBT - Pollution near Hippo.
10-1770 - clear pollution.
Leptis Minor will grow this turn even if we join in 3 more workers. We can max it using non-native workers if we give up on 1 turn pollution clearing in the hills. We can also join a worker to Theveste and Utica which will put them with a food shortage, but they won't starve until after we win. I leave these final decisions to Bede.
Firaxis: 898
Jason: 1189
Rotation: Bede for the win. Fitting for team captain.
hte save
2-1754 IBT - Polutions in a mountain. We have 1 extra slave after clearing this.
3-1756 IBT - 2 Polution: near Utica and another mountain.
4-1758 - Trades to India and Ottomans for Steel and Radio.
5-1760 IBT We catch Ghandi trying to plant a spy.
6-1762 IBT Polution near LMOZ1
7-1764 IBT Babylon demands spices.
8-1766 - I now have 10 native workers. I switch Leptis Minor to wealth and next turn will join in 6 workers. Buy Combustion from India.
IBT - Pollution near LMOZ1.
9-1768 - Join in 5 workers to Leptis Minor to size 30 with growth in 2.
IBT - Pollution near Hippo.
10-1770 - clear pollution.
Leptis Minor will grow this turn even if we join in 3 more workers. We can max it using non-native workers if we give up on 1 turn pollution clearing in the hills. We can also join a worker to Theveste and Utica which will put them with a food shortage, but they won't starve until after we win. I leave these final decisions to Bede.
Firaxis: 898
Jason: 1189
Rotation: Bede for the win. Fitting for team captain.
hte save
TimBentley
Deity
Workers should be joined to cities when it becomes clear that will keep the population higher than keeping them to clear pollution (ie join all workers a couple of turns before victory). This might increase our score by about 1 point.
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Firaxis 1992
Jason 4624
For the analytical among us we were exactly 10 turns behind "Jason Date" for 20K in GOTM28 and 24 ahead of gozpel's "Grace Note" win.
Victory and Pre-victory saves attached.
The Submitted Game
Well done. A pleasure playing with you all.
There is a standing invitation to all of you for Bede04.
I'm not sure what to make of this score. 4624 doesn't seem to be a very high Jason score, but I'm not sure how 5CC affects this. I suppose we will only find out when the other teams all finish.Bede said:
When is it starting? Now this game is over I'm up for more SGs.Bede said:
Btw, are we now free to read other team's threads, or do we have to wait for confirmation of our win from mad-bax?
The submissions page confirmed the win.
Just to be safe I would wait to hear from m-b. Let me check the rules page, though. ainwood's sticky is pretty draconian: don't view another thread, period. So just to be safe wait for notice from the m-b the facilitator.
On Bede04, it should be a couple of weeks or so. I would solicit ideas from all of you to Bede's Refectory Table thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=91578
Just to be safe I would wait to hear from m-b. Let me check the rules page, though. ainwood's sticky is pretty draconian: don't view another thread, period. So just to be safe wait for notice from the m-b the facilitator.
On Bede04, it should be a couple of weeks or so. I would solicit ideas from all of you to Bede's Refectory Table thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=91578
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
Great game everyone! 
I hope I will see you again for SGOTM5.
I guess we will know how good we did, heu, at the speed some teams are playing, probably next year!
I hope I will see you again for SGOTM5.
I guess we will know how good we did, heu, at the speed some teams are playing, probably next year!
TimBentley
Deity
Well done all. We got a higher score than one of my personal GOTMs.
TimBentley
Deity
The final spoiler thread is up, so someone should start working on it.
I'll make it easier by pointing out some important dates:
300-capture Rome and get a bunch of other cities for peace so Forbidden Palace starts in Theveste before abandoning them
310-Hanging Gardens built
400-Forbidden Palace built in Theveste
470-get a leader
580-Sun Tzu's built
590-cathedral built
660-marketplace built
670-Sistine Chapel rushed with leader
710-get a leader
720-build a courthouse
730-Leonardo's Workshop rushed with leader
740-get a leader
860-build a university
900-JS Bach's Cathedral rushed with leader
1090-Copernicus' Observatory built
1100-bank built
1260-Shakespeare's Theater built
1340-Newton's University built
1385-get a leader
1415-Magellan's built, rush USuff with leader
get a leader
1420-Universal Suffrage built, rush Smith's with leader
1425-Smith's built
1430-factory built
get a leader
1435-coal plant built
1460-palace built
1490-military academy built, rush ToE
1495-Theory of Evolution built
1555-Hoover Dam built
1560-hospital built
1565-stock exchange built
1590-Wall Street built
1625-Intelligence Agency built
1660-Battlefield Medicine
1780-win
I might be one turn off on a few of those dates
I'll make it easier by pointing out some important dates:
300-capture Rome and get a bunch of other cities for peace so Forbidden Palace starts in Theveste before abandoning them
310-Hanging Gardens built
400-Forbidden Palace built in Theveste
470-get a leader
580-Sun Tzu's built
590-cathedral built
660-marketplace built
670-Sistine Chapel rushed with leader
710-get a leader
720-build a courthouse
730-Leonardo's Workshop rushed with leader
740-get a leader
860-build a university
900-JS Bach's Cathedral rushed with leader
1090-Copernicus' Observatory built
1100-bank built
1260-Shakespeare's Theater built
1340-Newton's University built
1385-get a leader
1415-Magellan's built, rush USuff with leader
get a leader
1420-Universal Suffrage built, rush Smith's with leader
1425-Smith's built
1430-factory built
get a leader
1435-coal plant built
1460-palace built
1490-military academy built, rush ToE
1495-Theory of Evolution built
1555-Hoover Dam built
1560-hospital built
1565-stock exchange built
1590-Wall Street built
1625-Intelligence Agency built
1660-Battlefield Medicine
1780-win
I might be one turn off on a few of those dates
MOTH
Emperor
I'll start working on the spoiler and post it here first.
MOTH
Emperor
How's this guys?
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SGOTM4 Team Summary for spoiler 2 for team Bede
First Spoiler Ultra Breif Summary: Going for 20K but have gotten only leader through the AA.
There were a couple of tactics that we used near the end of the AA that we failed to mention last time around.
First tactic: Since we had the Light house, we were able setup a blockade to keep poachers away from our continent. One galley on either red spot keeps out the AI.
The second tactic came in just after the time of out last spoiler. It is one which many of the other teams have mentioned in the first spoiler. We were able to get cities from Rome for peace and we built the Forbidden Palace in the South. We didn't know if it would work, or we could have timed it better to have built it in our 20K city instead of Theveste. This could have shaved off a few turns, but I don't think it would have been big enough difference to catch Offa's (presumed) excellent conquest victory (can't wait to read that spoiler).
Back to the story:
When we last saw team Bede they were prepared for the march on Rome.
Rome was captured in 300AD netting us 3 more cities in the peace deal. We started the FP and abandoned the cities. The Hanging Gardens also completed in Utica in the IBT!
Interesting point on Rome: The AI was very late in hooking up iron, in part because we sent a NuMerc and Archer on the Iron hill in the first war. The iron was not hooked up yet! We sent the same pair to disconnect Rome's Iron in the second war. Rome had built a grand total of 1 Legion. This was bombarded and then killed outright in the assault on Rome. Rome never got to have a Golden Age.
380 AD: We settle Leptis Minor as our 5th city to the South of where Rome was to take advantage of the Wool and Cows. From this point on our territory and population part of our score should start to catch up our score to most other teams.
We were now on our attempt to build as many of the Middle Age wonders as possible. Due to well timed leader appearences we get every single MA and IA Wonder including the minor wonders. The last several wonders that we built had little effect on the final date of our victory. At the end we were gifting all of the AI's forward scientifically to try and get a Modern Age wonder as well. We were short 2 or 3 required techs in the IA. Bede presided over the final turns and we win the 20K in 1780, just 10 turns after the 20K best date in GOTM28.
Time line:
470 - get a leader
580 - finish hand building Sun Tzu's
590 - unit disband and cash rush Cathedral
660 - marketplace built while waiting for another wonder tech.
670 - Rush Sistine Chapel with the leader.
710 - get a leader
720 - build a courthouse with built up shields
730 - Leonardo's Workshop rushed with leader
740 - get a leader
860 - hand build a university
900 - JS Bach's Cathedral rushed with leader
1090 - Copernicus' Observatory built
1100 - bank built
1260 - Shakespeare's Theater built
1340 - Newton's University built
1385 - get a leader
Somewhere in here we enter the Industrial Age.
1415 - Magellan's hand built,
rush USuff with leader and
get another leader!!
1420 - Universal Suffrage built
rush Smith's with leader
1425 - Smith's built
1430 - factory rushed/built
get a leader
1435 - coal plant rushed/built
1460 - palace built
1490 - military academy built,
rush ToE with leader
1495 - Theory of Evolution built
1555 - Hoover Dam built
1560 - hospital built and we pump Utica up to size 20.
1565 - stock exchange built
1590 - Wall Street built
1625 - Intelligence Agency built
1660 - Battlefield Medicine
1780 - win
SGOTM4 Team Summary for spoiler 2 for team BedeFirst Spoiler Ultra Breif Summary: Going for 20K but have gotten only leader through the AA.
There were a couple of tactics that we used near the end of the AA that we failed to mention last time around.
First tactic: Since we had the Light house, we were able setup a blockade to keep poachers away from our continent. One galley on either red spot keeps out the AI.
The second tactic came in just after the time of out last spoiler. It is one which many of the other teams have mentioned in the first spoiler. We were able to get cities from Rome for peace and we built the Forbidden Palace in the South. We didn't know if it would work, or we could have timed it better to have built it in our 20K city instead of Theveste. This could have shaved off a few turns, but I don't think it would have been big enough difference to catch Offa's (presumed) excellent conquest victory (can't wait to read that spoiler).
Back to the story:
When we last saw team Bede they were prepared for the march on Rome.
Rome was captured in 300AD netting us 3 more cities in the peace deal. We started the FP and abandoned the cities. The Hanging Gardens also completed in Utica in the IBT!
Interesting point on Rome: The AI was very late in hooking up iron, in part because we sent a NuMerc and Archer on the Iron hill in the first war. The iron was not hooked up yet! We sent the same pair to disconnect Rome's Iron in the second war. Rome had built a grand total of 1 Legion. This was bombarded and then killed outright in the assault on Rome. Rome never got to have a Golden Age.
380 AD: We settle Leptis Minor as our 5th city to the South of where Rome was to take advantage of the Wool and Cows. From this point on our territory and population part of our score should start to catch up our score to most other teams.
We were now on our attempt to build as many of the Middle Age wonders as possible. Due to well timed leader appearences we get every single MA and IA Wonder including the minor wonders. The last several wonders that we built had little effect on the final date of our victory. At the end we were gifting all of the AI's forward scientifically to try and get a Modern Age wonder as well. We were short 2 or 3 required techs in the IA. Bede presided over the final turns and we win the 20K in 1780, just 10 turns after the 20K best date in GOTM28.
Time line:
470 - get a leader
580 - finish hand building Sun Tzu's
590 - unit disband and cash rush Cathedral
660 - marketplace built while waiting for another wonder tech.
670 - Rush Sistine Chapel with the leader.
710 - get a leader
720 - build a courthouse with built up shields
730 - Leonardo's Workshop rushed with leader
740 - get a leader
860 - hand build a university
900 - JS Bach's Cathedral rushed with leader
1090 - Copernicus' Observatory built
1100 - bank built
1260 - Shakespeare's Theater built
1340 - Newton's University built
1385 - get a leader
Somewhere in here we enter the Industrial Age.
1415 - Magellan's hand built,
rush USuff with leader and
get another leader!!
1420 - Universal Suffrage built
rush Smith's with leader
1425 - Smith's built
1430 - factory rushed/built
get a leader
1435 - coal plant rushed/built
1460 - palace built
1490 - military academy built,
rush ToE with leader
1495 - Theory of Evolution built
1555 - Hoover Dam built
1560 - hospital built and we pump Utica up to size 20.
1565 - stock exchange built
1590 - Wall Street built
1625 - Intelligence Agency built
1660 - Battlefield Medicine
1780 - win
TimBentley
Deity
It looks pretty good. You seem to be implying that the FP trick happened in the timeframe of the previous spoiler, however.
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
Looking good.
This is only one thing: It may be nothing, but saying that the NuMerc-Archer duo sat on the iron kinda sounds like they stayed there for a long time, while they simply got there and disconnected it. Another duo also disconnected it at the beginning of the second war.
This is only one thing: It may be nothing, but saying that the NuMerc-Archer duo sat on the iron kinda sounds like they stayed there for a long time, while they simply got there and disconnected it. Another duo also disconnected it at the beginning of the second war.
MOTH
Emperor
Edited per comments above. I'll post it now and make any more edits in the spoiler thread if need be. I see that klarius has already posted offa's spoiler.
Bede said:
When I compare the builds of temple, library, Colossus, Great Library, and Great Lighthouse, my spreadsheets for 155AD say
- team Bede: 5.981 cp
- team tao: 5.745 cp
It was not the temple. I think we researched faster to the high-culture Middle Age Wonders.
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
Hum. I was actually wondering about that. We deliberately slowed down MA research to prevent Sun Tzu or Leo to cascade to a more cultural wonder but later got to build a marketplace ourselves because we ran out of wonders to build and had an extra GL. Some wars were also delayed until a GL was used so if we researched faster, we could have battled a bit more and got a few more GL.
Oh well. I could not see it at the time probably because of lack of experience with the 20K goal, but I remember Bede talked about it once. It is unfortunate that we did not listen to him.
Still, I had a lot of fun with the game.
Oh well. I could not see it at the time probably because of lack of experience with the 20K goal, but I remember Bede talked about it once. It is unfortunate that we did not listen to him.
Still, I had a lot of fun with the game.
Our tactics were well executed for a "classic" 20K epic game.
OTOH, never in a game have I collected so many wonders in a single city. The closest I came was an early RBCiv Conquests epic many moons ago where I nailed a OCC 20K victory at Emperor. In that tourney I was pipped by T-Hawk who did a 5CC 20K, but it was only by two turns or so. In all respects it was to my advantage to keep the pace slow so I didn't get whomped by my warlike and aggressive neighbors and I had time to accumulate shields for a wonder run.
So, I still put this one in the pantheon of personal bests.
OTOH, never in a game have I collected so many wonders in a single city. The closest I came was an early RBCiv Conquests epic many moons ago where I nailed a OCC 20K victory at Emperor. In that tourney I was pipped by T-Hawk who did a 5CC 20K, but it was only by two turns or so. In all respects it was to my advantage to keep the pace slow so I didn't get whomped by my warlike and aggressive neighbors and I had time to accumulate shields for a wonder run.
So, I still put this one in the pantheon of personal bests.
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