smackster
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I'll certainly try to time it together
SGOTM4 - Team Smackster
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DeceasedHorse
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I see no reason to wipe out Rome at this time. At worst, they will be a buffer state so we won't have to worry about dealing with AI settler pairs tramping around.
smackster
SGOTM
Too late I think they are gone.
DH you may be up Sunday BTW.
smackster
DH you may be up Sunday BTW.
smackster
A final thought:Maybe switch to build Cathedral when Monotheism comes in 4 turns via "the big picture", Utica is now on 60 shields, 4 turns at 25 shields each equals 160 shields (move a citizen from mountain to sea to add food to Utica). Then build the marketplace in 4 turns at 25 shields per turn. When Theology kicks in rush Sistines. That will give us the most culture in the shortest time. If we are to manually finish Sistine that will be another 9 to 10 turns before we rush another GW with the leader and start collecting culture from the Sistine. At the minimum 100 culture less than going with the cathedral-marketplace-Sistine plan. It still require the courthouse rush in Rusicade to have Theology in 8 turns from now.
And they will both "double" a lot sooner, Cathedral in 1390 and the Sistine in 1430 so it is probably the best solution.
And they will both "double" a lot sooner, Cathedral in 1390 and the Sistine in 1430 so it is probably the best solution.
smackster
SGOTM
Using your latest plan, I'm half way through have the Cathedral and working on Marketplace, nothing exiting to report. Wont be able to finish until tonight.
smackster
SGOTM
So who is playing 1.21?
edit: No chance to finish last night, but will be able to start again about 4pm EST
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edit: No chance to finish last night, but will be able to start again about 4pm EST
smackster
smackster
SGOTM
T0 350AD
Wow the war situation does look tough near Persia, not sure where the reinforcements were coming from so I start to find what I can.
Agree with Wotan's idea, Cathedral, Market, Rush Sistine. Join workers to Rusicade and I'm suprised at the production that it gets.
I was thinking about getting aliances against Babylon, but in a way I don't want to weaken the AI too much. We may soon find it hard to research quick enough so actually want them to keep researching.
Greece give us 25GPT + 50 for Republic, that is good enough for me.
Get furs for Poly off India
IBT
A persian elite mercenary jumps on their roaded iron and kills our elite horse, no retreat, I turn battle graphics back on.
T1 360AD
Rush barracks at Rusicade
T2 370AD
Rush a MI at Rusicade, pushing more troops from the continent over there. Now building temple want to increase the culture expansion
T3 380AD
Mono in 2 with +9 GPT
2 Immortals approach but both are dispatched without loss
With a Numedian now on Rusicase, we move it forward to cut the mountain road they keep approaching from
Also build a fortress on our hill, had all these workes, nothing better to do with them
IBT
Persian MI attacks our NM but we survive, 1/4.
3 more Persian MI approach, two on the mountain, one in the open.
T4 390AD
Mono comes in we switch Utica to Cathedral and build that this turn too.
Dispatch one of the MI with our own MI who gets an elite upgrade 1/5, protect him with NM.
We can get Theology in 4 at -46GPT.
Nobody has any money for Mono, would like to see at least 20GPT for that. But we do get 4 GPT + 20 for Monarchy from Ottomans. Sell Monarchy to Scandinavia for 25 Gold.
From India 1 GPT + 18
IBT
Now 6 Persian MI come at us, our NM, and elite MI die.
T5 400AD
We have enough to hold them off, but nothing more right now, still rushing more troops.
Day 2 start again, rush a courthouse in Rusicade. We don' t need furs for some times again as we are trading for it. Gives us time to get it from Persia, I was thinking about getting it through culture, but that might not even work.
IBT
4 Persian MI's wander to the east, no idea where they are going.
One comes off the mountain to the forest
T6 410AD
Catapult hurts Persian regular MI, but first an elite archer, then an elite horse fail to hurt it further and die
IBT
Persia ask for peace, no way so they move 5 MI and 1 archer next to Rusicade
T7 420AD
In Rusicade we now have 2 horse, 3 MI, 1 archer, and 2 or 3 NM, with another archer that can get there. Decide to attack them first. Both horses die but we kill 3 MI with our MI and damage the other two, Move the NM to Rusicade for help
Sabratha expands, putting the wool within our culture
WW hits with Persia, although does not require that we move the slider, so we don't care for now.
IBT
Persian MI run away, another couple appear in the distance
T8 430AD
Theology comes in, we build our Marketplace, and rush Sistines
Education in 5 at 1.8.1, Tech order, Education the Music Theory, and we need another leader now
We can get a small deal with India for a luxury, but not sure if we want to start more deals with them, or try to leader farm more.
T9 440AD
Sistines completes, and we start on a Uni pre-build, in fact I set all the other cities to Uni pre-builds as we have enough troops right now
We can get 7GPT + 18 from Greece for Mono, decide to wait as I would like at least 10GPT right now, was thinking 20 earlier. Suggest next player to take it when they see at least that.
IBT
Persia try to sneak a settler/pike by us to the north, he'll regret that
T10 450AD
Elite archer has a go at the pike, kills him and produces Hasdrubal, this one we should hold for JS Bachs
Another Persian MI on their land near Pasargadae, we attack him as we want to start making steps towards that city. Although we lose an MI, we send in another and some protection.
Utica - Culture 1828, 47 per turn
Score - 440
Wow the war situation does look tough near Persia, not sure where the reinforcements were coming from so I start to find what I can.
Agree with Wotan's idea, Cathedral, Market, Rush Sistine. Join workers to Rusicade and I'm suprised at the production that it gets.
I was thinking about getting aliances against Babylon, but in a way I don't want to weaken the AI too much. We may soon find it hard to research quick enough so actually want them to keep researching.
Greece give us 25GPT + 50 for Republic, that is good enough for me.
Get furs for Poly off India
IBT
A persian elite mercenary jumps on their roaded iron and kills our elite horse, no retreat, I turn battle graphics back on.
T1 360AD
Rush barracks at Rusicade
T2 370AD
Rush a MI at Rusicade, pushing more troops from the continent over there. Now building temple want to increase the culture expansion
T3 380AD
Mono in 2 with +9 GPT
2 Immortals approach but both are dispatched without loss
With a Numedian now on Rusicase, we move it forward to cut the mountain road they keep approaching from
Also build a fortress on our hill, had all these workes, nothing better to do with them
IBT
Persian MI attacks our NM but we survive, 1/4.
3 more Persian MI approach, two on the mountain, one in the open.
T4 390AD
Mono comes in we switch Utica to Cathedral and build that this turn too.
Dispatch one of the MI with our own MI who gets an elite upgrade 1/5, protect him with NM.
We can get Theology in 4 at -46GPT.
Nobody has any money for Mono, would like to see at least 20GPT for that. But we do get 4 GPT + 20 for Monarchy from Ottomans. Sell Monarchy to Scandinavia for 25 Gold.
From India 1 GPT + 18
IBT
Now 6 Persian MI come at us, our NM, and elite MI die.
T5 400AD
We have enough to hold them off, but nothing more right now, still rushing more troops.
Day 2 start again, rush a courthouse in Rusicade. We don' t need furs for some times again as we are trading for it. Gives us time to get it from Persia, I was thinking about getting it through culture, but that might not even work.
IBT
4 Persian MI's wander to the east, no idea where they are going.
One comes off the mountain to the forest
T6 410AD
Catapult hurts Persian regular MI, but first an elite archer, then an elite horse fail to hurt it further and die
IBT
Persia ask for peace, no way so they move 5 MI and 1 archer next to Rusicade
T7 420AD
In Rusicade we now have 2 horse, 3 MI, 1 archer, and 2 or 3 NM, with another archer that can get there. Decide to attack them first. Both horses die but we kill 3 MI with our MI and damage the other two, Move the NM to Rusicade for help
Sabratha expands, putting the wool within our culture
WW hits with Persia, although does not require that we move the slider, so we don't care for now.
IBT
Persian MI run away, another couple appear in the distance
T8 430AD
Theology comes in, we build our Marketplace, and rush Sistines
Education in 5 at 1.8.1, Tech order, Education the Music Theory, and we need another leader now
We can get a small deal with India for a luxury, but not sure if we want to start more deals with them, or try to leader farm more.
T9 440AD
Sistines completes, and we start on a Uni pre-build, in fact I set all the other cities to Uni pre-builds as we have enough troops right now
We can get 7GPT + 18 from Greece for Mono, decide to wait as I would like at least 10GPT right now, was thinking 20 earlier. Suggest next player to take it when they see at least that.
IBT
Persia try to sneak a settler/pike by us to the north, he'll regret that
T10 450AD
Elite archer has a go at the pike, kills him and produces Hasdrubal, this one we should hold for JS Bachs
Another Persian MI on their land near Pasargadae, we attack him as we want to start making steps towards that city. Although we lose an MI, we send in another and some protection.
Utica - Culture 1828, 47 per turn
Score - 440
smackster
SGOTM
Summary
1) Research education then Music Theory and use leader to rush JS Bachs. We will lose the GL, but getting these wonders early is more important. The AI doesn't look like researching anything soon anyway.
2) I have pre-builds in all cities for Univercity, so switch them all over once Education is in. We really that need science boost to stay near 4 turn research. However I would not rush the Uni in Utica, as there is nothing else to build until Music Theory, so save the cash
3) I thought there might be enough troops to attack Pasa, the horses can reach the hill on one turn, with the NM for protection who is already on the forest
edit: That worker is there near Pasar to tempt them out. We have a stack of workers in Rusicade
1) Research education then Music Theory and use leader to rush JS Bachs. We will lose the GL, but getting these wonders early is more important. The AI doesn't look like researching anything soon anyway.
2) I have pre-builds in all cities for Univercity, so switch them all over once Education is in. We really that need science boost to stay near 4 turn research. However I would not rush the Uni in Utica, as there is nothing else to build until Music Theory, so save the cash
3) I thought there might be enough troops to attack Pasa, the horses can reach the hill on one turn, with the NM for protection who is already on the forest
edit: That worker is there near Pasar to tempt them out. We have a stack of workers in Rusicade
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Well played, and lovely to see Hasdrubal appear. Now we have Bach's in the bag too...
EDIT: Have had a look at the situation now, would like us to agree on what to do after Music Theory and Bach's. Best shortterm culture is Astronomy(Copernicus @4) and Navigation(Magellan's @3) Longterm goal is Shakespear @8, that would possibly be targeted during a period of peace since a leader would have to wait for quite some time for it to be researched. We could also consider a leader -> (knight)army if Chivalry becomes available through trade. We could then build Heroic Epic @4.
We should consider a period of peace to get WW down soon, maybe first leader farm for a leader for Copernicus/Navigation. Babylon also need to be in a position where they will accept peace wo any "reparations".
Primary military goal: Raise Pasargadae so furs become available through Rusicade.
EDIT: Have had a look at the situation now, would like us to agree on what to do after Music Theory and Bach's. Best shortterm culture is Astronomy(Copernicus @4) and Navigation(Magellan's @3) Longterm goal is Shakespear @8, that would possibly be targeted during a period of peace since a leader would have to wait for quite some time for it to be researched. We could also consider a leader -> (knight)army if Chivalry becomes available through trade. We could then build Heroic Epic @4.
We should consider a period of peace to get WW down soon, maybe first leader farm for a leader for Copernicus/Navigation. Babylon also need to be in a position where they will accept peace wo any "reparations".
Primary military goal: Raise Pasargadae so furs become available through Rusicade.
DeceasedHorse
Prince
Will play tommorrow
smackster
SGOTM
Just some thoughts about war weariness in war with Persia.
I really think it will help us to raze Pasargadae in this current war. So if that proves hard just ride out the WW until its gone. When we build JS Bach's that will help our happiness.
Then when its gone get peace, for any more cities they have (and abandon them), and then we should continue building culture in Rusicade to push the culture boundaries back. We might want to leave troops on the old ground of Pasargadae to stop them settling it again anytime soon.
I really think it will help us to raze Pasargadae in this current war. So if that proves hard just ride out the WW until its gone. When we build JS Bach's that will help our happiness.
Then when its gone get peace, for any more cities they have (and abandon them), and then we should continue building culture in Rusicade to push the culture boundaries back. We might want to leave troops on the old ground of Pasargadae to stop them settling it again anytime soon.
Hey Team!! I am back and ready..
Had a quick look at the thread and you guys rock!!!
Loaded the save, with the fresh eye I've noticed only one thing.
Is there any specific reason Theveste is buildin colliseum???
if it's for happiness purposes only then better switch to temple and with Oracl we will have double effect plus opens a road to build caphedral. Temple will be ready there in just 2 turns.
Well, i am tired and need to get a nap, I will check later tonight and i should be able to play my next turn.
Had a quick look at the thread and you guys rock!!!
Loaded the save, with the fresh eye I've noticed only one thing.
Is there any specific reason Theveste is buildin colliseum???
if it's for happiness purposes only then better switch to temple and with Oracl we will have double effect plus opens a road to build caphedral. Temple will be ready there in just 2 turns.
Well, i am tired and need to get a nap, I will check later tonight and i should be able to play my next turn.
Sounds very good to me 
I'm going to be very busy this week, but I hope to be able to play when it comes round again.
Found out that I've been using 1.21 on this PC, and when I patched it won't run on conquest CD anymore. Will play around some with it, I know there is a how-to somewhere on these forums...
I'm going to be very busy this week, but I hope to be able to play when it comes round again.Found out that I've been using 1.21 on this PC, and when I patched it won't run on conquest CD anymore. Will play around some with it, I know there is a how-to somewhere on these forums...
smackster
SGOTM
All current builds in all cities are pre-builds for University when Education comes in, as stated in my turn log, but it is well worth pointing that out again. Happiness is nice, but science is what we really need to keep pumping. Can't rely on the AI in this game to research anything, and we only have 5 cities.dmanakho said:Hey Team!! I am back and ready..
Had a quick look at the thread and you guys rock!!!
Loaded the save, with the fresh eye I've noticed only one thing.
Is there any specific reason Theveste is buildin colliseum???
if it's for happiness purposes only then better switch to temple and with Oracl we will have double effect plus opens a road to build caphedral. Temple will be ready there in just 2 turns.
Well, i am tired and need to get a nap, I will check later tonight and i should be able to play my next turn.
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