SGOTM5 - Team Smackster

Regarding the choice between IW and swordsmen or HBR and horsemen.

We have no guarantee that we will have iron (but I would be surprised if the mapmakers were that cruel), and then researching IW that the AI most probably will have doesnt help us + has no trade value.
Valuable beakers/gold could be wasted. (And we will need to trade for HBR)

I am not saying that we should opt for horsemen, since we got horses, but darn it would be beat if we dont have iron.

My guess is we will be ok anyway :)
 
OK have looked at the save. A few things needed.

1. Stop mining the tundra and get the worker to the "river" forest and build a road in it.
2. Lux raised to 10%, then put the entertainer on the fish tile and the "forest" citizen on the lake tile. We gain 3fpt, 2 more beakers to finish MM in 12 (14 now) and will still produce the 10 shields needed to finish the Colossus. -1 gold but that is no problem since we will change to "wealth" when the Colossus is built.

Re. use of "tools". I run CivAssist and CRpMapstat in the background all the time. Indispensable in my opinion. Especially for checking against revolts, no locations should ever go into unrest if you use them (maybe a few conquered locations before they are rid of all "rebels"). That is in my opinion reason enough, at least in a SGOTM when you are playing on a team, if you have the time to go through all locations/does not really care about it that is fine on a single game but I would prefer if everyone give this game their best efforts. And CivAssist to help you with tech costs is great. BTW, we are at 98 beakers on MM, 190 to go.

@Tomasjj: Switching shields for food is often better than getting an extra gold. The bigger your locations are the better your position is, generally.

EDIT: I would rather go in with Horsemen than with Swordsmen. Lower probability of winning a battle but higher survivability. Remember SGOTM3! :)
 
Sorry everyone for messing up and mining the tundra tile , I probaly should've asked first.

@D-man I saw no barbs during my turn.

I think we should get IW because like d-man said we have alot of the land on our own island so they will be cramped and fast to counqer even with swords , thats only if we have iron. If not try to get HBR in trades.
 
Wotan said:
EDIT: I would rather go in with Horsemen than with Swordsmen. Lower probability of winning a battle but higher survivability. Remember SGOTM3! :)
Generally I agree to go for Horsemen, but in this case going for swords allows us to build them much quicker. We can build warriors in one turn and then upgrade them when we are ready. As we don't want to have any units hanging around because of unit support costs, this seemed like a good quick way of getting 10 units to attack our nearest neighbour.

However this relies on us having the cash for the upgrades, and as the AI may be poor maybe we can't count on this. Also if we go for IW and find we don't have iron, now that would be really stupid.

I think right now that HBR should be our next tech to research.
I'd also like to send a scout out with at least one of the galleys. In this level the AI will often leave goodie huts alone and it would be nice to get another free tech. We'll have to make a decision later when you start building horses.
 
@Wotan: I will try out the mentioned tools, no problem. I might even learn to love them :)

And regarding food vs. gold - I share your view. Food is gold in civ. Growth is golden.

Looking at the save now... :scan:
 
If Tarkeel finishes this game today, i can play tonight... we need to decide between HBR and IW..
We still can pre-build units for horses -> chariots can be upgraded to horses..
In the best world we will better be off with combined arms..
Remember we will land fall on AI, take over couple of cities. Abandon moscow and we will have to rely on those troops to defend us.. Swords would really help in that situation...

I am going far in to the future, but so i don't forget => best place to land our troops is on the border between two AIs. That way we can attack one take as many cities as we can, make peace, take a deep breath and declare on second AI.
 
Good point on the extra importance on defense of swords in an invasion force. I was thinking about that earlier today, then I got really afraid that we might not have iron and forgot all about it.

Hopefully those hills to the west will give us some iron... :D
 
All these turns of waiting and nothing to do for our worker i suggest to start building a road to the northern tip of our island... If that land up north is habitable and suitable for invasion it would be faster to transport troops by road to the northern part of island and then hop them on galleys.
 
By the time we finish HBR we should find at least one AI and hopefully we won't need to research IW...
Does the team agree to stop research once we have both IW and HBR and use all income on military needs?
We can start research again once we are settled in new place and have few core cities. I think in this game we won't need to research anything past chivalry anyways.
 
dmanakho said:
By the time we finish HBR we should find at least one AI and hopefully we won't need to research IW...
Does the team agree to stop research once we have both IW and HBR and use all income on military needs?
We can start research again once we are settled in new place and have few core cities. I think in this game we won't need to research anything past chivalry anyways.
At minimum maybe, but it does depend on what we find out there. I don't think we can be sure about exactly what we are going to do yet. The AI may be on one land segment and richer and more advanced that we think.
 
smackster said:
At minimum maybe, but it does depend on what we find out there. I don't think we can be sure about exactly what we are going to do yet. The AI may be on one land segment and richer and more advanced that we think.

Oh absolutely....
we will have to adjust our tactics according to the situation
 
MjM said:
That may be true but it isnt even 1000BC i doubt any of them will be in the middle ages or too rich if they do share a continent.
No doubt they will be backward, and that 10% research is the way until we have our core. But the key to a quick victory is always quick research to Chivalry so I want to make sure we maximse that. There is a chance the AI will not help us much. Then if they are all on one landmass, it will be totally different.

Where is Tarkeel?

smacskter
 
Probably asleep! 12.30AM now, so I will turn in too. No Tarkeel turns today I guess?
 
Too much homework for Tarkeel again...
When do the schools have breaks in Norway? not until Christmas i reckon. :)
 
MjM said:
Doesnt he have a Thanksgiving break?

Thanksgiving in Norway???? :lol:
I am suprised how many americans think Thanksgiving is celebrated around the globe...
People keep asking me question if they make a turkey for thanksgiving in Russia all the time :)
 
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