SGOTM8 - Ivan

[King Alexander]

Conehead, I hope, you'll manage to fix your PC. You're always welcome to give advice, any time you want, as well as return to the game, if you can.

If we want to connect the Iron, we'll do so to upgrade our spears: I don't think, we have time to learn Chivalry and upgrade our horses, as Greece's borders will expand again after around 30 turns, and the other city nearby the Iron hasn't yet build cultural improvements.
Maybe, we don't have time even to upgrade our spears, but I could be wrong on this.

If the Team wants to try, it's fine by me(the risk may work), although, we should build 1-2 more workers to clear the jungle faster.

 

[I. Larkin]

We will get engineering and feo in 6 (but will be without money) Mau be we will upgrade 3-4 warriors and 1-2 spears? As I said, We'll take greese with LBs.

 

[conehead234]

I think I may instill civ assist on my labtop so I can at least view some stuff untill I get my computer working again.

Ofcourse I think we should colonize the iron.

Well I think we should go for longbows, they should be good enough to take Greece.

 

[nerovats]

Sending a worker to the iron is worth the risk I think.
Will play tonight.

 

[AdrianE]

If we send the worker to iron make sure we are in a postion to exploit it immediately. We need several veteran warriors and 40G each for upgrades. These vets need to be in cities with barracks. The trade route must be finished to bring the iron home. Every city will switch to building swordsmen. We might want to have a few prebuilds going.

 

[I. Larkin]

1) I think better to get Iron at Feodalism. We have 2 reg warriors to upgrade.
Also we may upgrade 1-2 Spears.
2) We may consider to loose reputation to get Yahogama. But I thing it is wrong idea. We may get overseas Cities later.
3) Shall we renew MA when they expire? Do we want again Rome-Japan war?

 

[King Alexander]

I'd be good if we could upgrade many warriors, if we manage to colonize the Iron: Washington, Boston and NY could build warriors until we make the colony. Swords also have 2 defence.

If we'll take on Greece with longbows, we would need many of them: longbows have low defence, and we'lll have many casualties: we could also build enough archers and upgrade them, to be ready for the initial attack.

I don't see a problem with our reputation, if we are in position to demand Yokohama AFTER our MA's are over.
As for continuing our Ma's vs Japan, do you think, it's vital for our survival?(so, other civs won't target us) If so, renew them, if not, no.

 

[nerovats]

I apparently was not up to date to the latest save.
After seeing it I'm not sure what to do so post my thoughts first:

Japan won't give city yet, but are becomming more willing.
Worker will most likely be late to iron (I thought it was closer)
Sent settler south of Xinjian. Or towards Bejing in case Greece destoys/captures it. Not provoke Greece yet, by settling to close.
Engineering in 10 at 40%?
Might attack China in hope to get Chengdu in peace talk?, probably a better change then the iron. This will yield some terrain to expand and will give an extra lux. This by moving all archers (4) ,1 or 2 spears and elite warrior to Canton. Take it before Greece destroys Bejing.

 

[I. Larkin]

Engineering in 10 at 40%?
No, at Sci 70% at 6 turns! Make MA with greeks
Worker will most likely be late to iron (I thought it was closer)
We have 25 turns approx
I recomend settle SSE of sparta. Bejin will not be destroed. Send Spear now to protect.
We may do both Iron and China.
Settler from Seatle-> Canton.
Trade WM! Build aqueducts!

 

[nerovats]

Since there's a desicion to be made I stopped at 50BC:

Pre turn
science to 70%
start moving archers north
IBT japanese land horse. Rome stops aliance vs japanese
90BC
get aliance vs chinese with rome for WM 7gpt 47gold (they pay us)
sell WM around
change markets to ducts.
MM a bit, Washington will have a horse, NY and Boston an archer now every 2 turns.
70BC
moving
IT Japanese land another horse
50BC
kill the horse but lose a archer in the proces.
Japan is willing to give op Yokohama for peace, I say we do, will give a rep hit so let team decide.
Uploaded save.

Yokomaha will be at risk of flipping back I think, so we should rush lib and as soon as possible a settler, to make sure we'll have a foothold on the island. Could risk it longer to demand better city, but I think we should take it.

 

[I. Larkin]

Since there's a desicion to be made I stopped at 50BC:

50BC
kill the horse but lose a archer in the proces.
Japan is willing to give op Yokohama for peace, I say we do, will give a rep hit so let team decide.
Uploaded save.

Yokomaha will be at risk of flipping back I think, so we should rush lib and as soon as possible a settler, to make sure we'll have a foothold on the island. Could risk it longer to demand better city, but I think we should take it.

I also think that reputation may gone. Yakohama betterthan that. also at tech leadership reputation is not that important. bot temple +warrior is a must in Yakogama. I'd like to know teams oppinion, however.
We must send settler to red dot I think. Workers will build road and cut forest neat new City. We need more Dyce to trade. We also may trade with Japan. (ivory to Gems say). Reduce Lux. Send Spears as on the picture. Take Loans (16 gold for 1 gpt where possible)
Seatle may build settler now, before Aqueduct

 

[AdrianE]

Why would we get a rep hit if we make peace with Japan? Rome broke the MA. Do we have any other MA's vrs Japan?

I think we should keep our rep if possible to forment more wars in the early industrial era.

 

[King Alexander]

I'd suggest to NOT break our rep, for many reasons! Wait until our MA expires, and then demand a city(Lutecia, if possible).

nerovats, 2 suggestions: don't forget to arrange again the terrain our citizens work, after you killed an enemy landing. For example, work the BG in Philadephia and not the coast(marketplace finishes in 8 turns, instead of 11).
SF should work the cleared grassland instead of the hill: it'll grow faster, and we also gain more gold(the tile's roaded).

 

[King Alexander]

@Adrian: yes, we have MA's with Greece, England. We need to wait 9 more turns.

@Ivan: yes, we should CONNECT our spare dyes ASAP to trade with the other civs.

P.S.: don't forget to trade our TM and WM EACH TURN BEFORE hitting enter(just a reminder).

Please, take out that barb camp near SF! It can cause us much trouble if it produce a mass uprising...(we'd lose all our gold, lose units).

One more thing: Chicago should build a library first, IMHO, and aqueduct next.

 

[I. Larkin]

@Adrian: yes, we have MA's with Greece, England. We need to wait 9 more turns.

@Ivan: yes, we should CONNECT our spare dyes ASAP to trade with the other civs.

P.S.: don't forget to trade our TM and WM EACH TURN BEFORE hitting enter(just a reminder).

Please, take out that barb camp near SF! It can cause us much trouble if it produce a mass uprising...(we'd lose all our gold, lose units).

One more thing: Chicago should build a library first, IMHO, and aqueduct next.

A) Looks that team decided keep reputation. Well. Not sure. But I recomend make peace with Jap as soon as MA ends. We may trade Ivory and Techs.
I) Road to Athenes and Iron colony is a good idea. But 1 worker may return to dyes.
PS) Yes, yes.
One more thing) Seatle: Settler first (even 5 shields loose). washingtonn: marketplase, and grow better.
NY: as well marketplace, cut forest, not desert improve.

 

[nerovats]

We´ll I´ll keep my fingers crossed...
Do we want to give up rep when china will give up the island city?
Will make Greece furious and they are a bit close, so I think that´s not a good idea.

 

[I. Larkin]

We´ll I´ll keep my fingers crossed...
Do we want to give up rep when china will give up the island city?
Will make Greece furious and they are a bit close, so I think that´s not a good idea.

Simple calculation says that Yakohama will grow before MA expires. Hope we will get more chanses in future. Again, I think with China war better to keep MA. Greeks pay us for that gpt. We may take Canton and try to take Bejin. We may get vine+gold from Greeks for Engineering at second trade. Whom we want to trade first? england or Romans? i thint Englamd better.

 

[nerovats]

After counting votes it´s 2 for 2, will stay at war, for no, but when they´ll give Lutetia I´m gona take it.

 

[King Alexander]

If we break our rep, we can say good buy to trades for gpt, and we'll be in danger of being sneak-attacked much more.

Yes, we should accept Lutecia(spices!), if Japan agrees to it, after our MA's will expire.

 

[nerovats]

Second half:

Pre turn
traded WM again
30BC
nothing
10BC
get barb camp out of the way
10AD
get engeneering
trade to rome for feud, monarch, WM 2 gold (all they have)
trade to england for mon WM and 2 gold (all they have too)
get WM 3gpt and 52 gold from greece
Now they're all broke

Set science on chivalry, so we should be able to upgrade some horses too. Worker is on the iron. Left the archer near Canton? couldn't make up my mind wether to attack or not so just left them for now.