pindicator
Emperor
it all sounds good to me, Tim, as long as that trade route is safe.
SGOTM8 - Tim
- Thread starter AlanH
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TimBentley
Deity
joethreeblah - up
TimBentley - on deck
mr. Y - just played
pindicator - had played
SesnOfWthr - skipped, not online in a week
TimBentley - on deck
mr. Y - just played
pindicator - had played
SesnOfWthr - skipped, not online in a week
pindicator
Emperor
Tim, give Joe a day or two, but pick it up after that. We gotta keep this thing goin. Even if it is just three of us.
pindicator
Emperor
yeah, until joe or Sesn show up then I say we just go amongst ourselves
TimBentley
Deity
Finally got some time to play; got it.
TimBentley
Deity
550(0): buy wool from Rome for 13gpt; lux to 20%
get more food in Boston
switch Miami to courthouse
hire scientist in Seattle
switch San Francisco to library
hire scientist in Beijing
IBT: Boston horse->LB
560(1): zzz
IBT: Washington LB->LB
New York horse->LB
Nanking worker->worker
570(2): declare war on China
some Chinese citizens seem to be unhappy about this
580(3): capture Hangchow
IBT: learn printing press
Beijing treb->temple
Washington LB->university
Atlanta horse->LB
590(4): sell printing press to Rome for 48gpt
sell it to Japan for 12gpt, 174g
start max research on banking
IBT: Greece demands printing press, I concede
Miami court->library
England starts Copernicus
600(5): Almost everyone knows astronomy and printing press
IBT: New York LB->LB
Boston LB->LB
Seattle LB->LB
610(6): zzz
IBT: Chinese galley causes Seattle to riot (coast citizen moved)
620(7): capture Chengdu
get Shantung, Kaifeng, Paoting, WM, 2g for peace
buy furs from Rome for dyes, 3gpt; lux to 10%
IBT: Japan demands dyes, I give in
630(8): Japan knows music theory
make profit of 27g from WM deals
IBT: Japan starts Bach's
640(9): zzz
IBT: barb warrior appears SE of Beijing
New York LB->LB
650(10): more MT knowledge
Notes: Atlanta is going to expand next turn; spear won't be needed there
As soon as our troops are in position, we should be ready to attack Greece
remember to switch Washington to Copernicus when astronomy is acquired
Here is the save.
Edit: I think that's the second time I've attached the save instead of the picture at first
Edit: Yes, there used to be a picture here.
get more food in Boston
switch Miami to courthouse
hire scientist in Seattle
switch San Francisco to library
hire scientist in Beijing
IBT: Boston horse->LB
560(1): zzz
IBT: Washington LB->LB
New York horse->LB
Nanking worker->worker
570(2): declare war on China
some Chinese citizens seem to be unhappy about this
580(3): capture Hangchow
IBT: learn printing press
Beijing treb->temple
Washington LB->university
Atlanta horse->LB
590(4): sell printing press to Rome for 48gpt
sell it to Japan for 12gpt, 174g
start max research on banking
IBT: Greece demands printing press, I concede
Miami court->library
England starts Copernicus
600(5): Almost everyone knows astronomy and printing press
IBT: New York LB->LB
Boston LB->LB
Seattle LB->LB
610(6): zzz
IBT: Chinese galley causes Seattle to riot (coast citizen moved)
620(7): capture Chengdu
get Shantung, Kaifeng, Paoting, WM, 2g for peace
buy furs from Rome for dyes, 3gpt; lux to 10%
IBT: Japan demands dyes, I give in
630(8): Japan knows music theory
make profit of 27g from WM deals
IBT: Japan starts Bach's
640(9): zzz
IBT: barb warrior appears SE of Beijing
New York LB->LB
650(10): more MT knowledge
Notes: Atlanta is going to expand next turn; spear won't be needed there
As soon as our troops are in position, we should be ready to attack Greece
remember to switch Washington to Copernicus when astronomy is acquired
Here is the save.
Edit: I think that's the second time I've attached the save instead of the picture at first
Edit: Yes, there used to be a picture here.
pindicator
Emperor
Good turns, Tim. With a dozen LBs, we should be able to put some hurt on Greece. I'm worried about the gunpowder. Hoplites were bad enough; I don't want to have to face muskets now that we have LBs. Oh well
I got it. I won't be able to play until Saturday evening (maybe Sunday morning) so if joe or Sesn shows up before then they can definitely take it.
I got it. I won't be able to play until Saturday evening (maybe Sunday morning) so if joe or Sesn shows up before then they can definitely take it.
pindicator
Emperor
Banking is coming in next turn. It looks like we should be able to use that it get to tech parity.
With a dozen LBs, I think we can do some damage to Greece.
What we do need is a lot more workers. This jungle needs to be cleared as soon as humanly possible.
IBT-
Learn Banking. Set to Econ, but may change after trades are done.
1) 660AD
Disperse a barb camp for 25g. Our archer promotes.
Troops move toward Greece.
Trade Rome Banking + 31g for Music Theory, Astronomy, & Gunpowder.
Trade Scandinavia Astronomy + Music Theory for Chemistry + WM + 1g.
Trade England Banking + 38gpt + 2g for Metallurgy.
Trade Japan Banking + WM + 21gpt for Military Tradition + 7g.
We are now tech leaders. Furthermore, we have saltpeter, so I propose to delay the Greek war in favor of building cavalry. I had half a notion to pause the game and ask for advise, but that would mean one or two people, so I'm going to take initiative and go min research on Econ and upgrade as many horsemen to cavalry as I can.
Upgrade one horse in New York to cavalry for 150g.
2) 670AD
Our tech lead was short lived: Rome now knows Physics.
Upgrade a horse in Seattle to cavalry for 150g.
4) 690AD
Rush barracks in St. Louis for 28g.
5) 700AD
Physics is spread about to Japan and England now.
Upgrade a horse in Washington DC to cavalry.
7) 720AD
Upgrade a horse in St. Louis.
9) 740AD
A little later than expected, but with 4 cavs in the north its time to attack.
Capture Sparta.
Raze Delphi.
And I still have a dozen LBs to move.
Upgrade a spear to musket.
IBT-
No visible Greek units
10) 750AD
Move 6 trebs, 6 cats, 10 LBs, and 2 Cavs to attack Athens next turn.
For continuing the Greek attack, I would consider razing Corinth and possibly Athens. The nearby island towns of Ephesus and Herakleia have good culture for Greece and we will not be able to take them (maybe a war prize, however).
Greece hardly has any muskets. What would have been a slug out with our LBs is easy money with Cavalry. Consider switching DC to a bank; we're going to want infra ASAP.
Hope for a Great Leader. Consider even leaving Greece with one city left on the mainland so we can "farm" for a GL and rush our FP in the north.
Greece, however, doesn't have much for units so far.
Edit: Maybe the save would help...
With a dozen LBs, I think we can do some damage to Greece.
What we do need is a lot more workers. This jungle needs to be cleared as soon as humanly possible.
IBT-
Learn Banking. Set to Econ, but may change after trades are done.
1) 660AD
Disperse a barb camp for 25g. Our archer promotes.
Troops move toward Greece.
Trade Rome Banking + 31g for Music Theory, Astronomy, & Gunpowder.
Trade Scandinavia Astronomy + Music Theory for Chemistry + WM + 1g.
Trade England Banking + 38gpt + 2g for Metallurgy.
Trade Japan Banking + WM + 21gpt for Military Tradition + 7g.
We are now tech leaders. Furthermore, we have saltpeter, so I propose to delay the Greek war in favor of building cavalry. I had half a notion to pause the game and ask for advise, but that would mean one or two people, so I'm going to take initiative and go min research on Econ and upgrade as many horsemen to cavalry as I can.
Upgrade one horse in New York to cavalry for 150g.
2) 670AD
Our tech lead was short lived: Rome now knows Physics.
Upgrade a horse in Seattle to cavalry for 150g.
4) 690AD
Rush barracks in St. Louis for 28g.
5) 700AD
Physics is spread about to Japan and England now.
Upgrade a horse in Washington DC to cavalry.
7) 720AD
Upgrade a horse in St. Louis.
9) 740AD
A little later than expected, but with 4 cavs in the north its time to attack.
Capture Sparta.
Raze Delphi.
And I still have a dozen LBs to move.
Upgrade a spear to musket.
IBT-
No visible Greek units
10) 750AD
Move 6 trebs, 6 cats, 10 LBs, and 2 Cavs to attack Athens next turn.
For continuing the Greek attack, I would consider razing Corinth and possibly Athens. The nearby island towns of Ephesus and Herakleia have good culture for Greece and we will not be able to take them (maybe a war prize, however).
Greece hardly has any muskets. What would have been a slug out with our LBs is easy money with Cavalry. Consider switching DC to a bank; we're going to want infra ASAP.
Hope for a Great Leader. Consider even leaving Greece with one city left on the mainland so we can "farm" for a GL and rush our FP in the north.
Greece, however, doesn't have much for units so far.
Edit: Maybe the save would help...
TimBentley
Deity
It looks great. Time for mr. Y to continue the war on Greece.
mr. Y
Warlord
- Joined
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- Messages
- 121
You two made good progress.
I am only bothered by one thing: we failed to generate a Great Leader. Without one it will take ages to build our FP and we can forget about a good finish.
Therefor I am in favor of keeping an AI-GLfarm if the last attacks on Greece don't yield one.
I am only bothered by one thing: we failed to generate a Great Leader. Without one it will take ages to build our FP and we can forget about a good finish.
Therefor I am in favor of keeping an AI-GLfarm if the last attacks on Greece don't yield one.
pindicator
Emperor
AlanH posted this in the maintenance thread this morning.
Do the three of us think we can finish this by the end of the month?
Do the three of us think we can finish this by the end of the month?
TimBentley
Deity
how's it going, mr. Y?
mr. Y
Warlord
- Joined
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- Messages
- 121
I made good progress thought it could have been better.
I decided to reduce Greece to two cities on our island and then try to negotiate for as many foreign-island cities as possible. My turns went very well at first but in the end I screwed up a bit with many riots + a very inconvenient flip :S
But we have quite a few new cities now (about 5) and a Forbidden Palace.
IBT
wool deal with Rome expires
Greece lands next to Shantung
760 (1)
Chantung is probably lost, I change Kaifeng to a spear and hurry it to defend at least one town in the island.
Also change Poateng to spear.
capture Athens at the cost of 1 LB It has a Marketplace, Harbor and 4 workers.
IBT Shantung is burnt by the Greek
Miami library->aquaduct
Kaifeng spear->temple
770 (2)
capture Pharsalos at the cost of 2 LB. It has a harbor and 1 worker.
IBT - riots in the bigger cities
780/790
We have our GL!!!
I named our victorious cavalry "Cavalouria", after the Pixies song 'Velouria' that was playing when it was victorious.
capture Corinth. We now have iron.
GL Washington hurries FP in Nanking
IBT Sparta flips
Nanking completes FP
Romans and Japanese are fighting on a nearby island.
From here, I change all military build to infrastructural.
800
regain control of Sparta
IBT
Rome demands wine and gets it.
810
Knossos falls
Making peace with Greece yields us Herakleia, Argos, Thessalonika, WM + 8 gold
This means two more small islands, and better foothold on the bigger one.
Greece has three cities left.
820 moving units
hurry spear in Thessalonika
IBT
our dye for for deal with Rome expires
830
Detroit founded
IBT riots everywhere - forgot to check the happiness after the trade deal stopped.
840
hurrying Harbor in Thessalonika
IBT Economics!
the riots are continuing! :O
Athens flips!
850
sell dye + economics to
Romans for Fur, Wool, 17 gpt
+ 24 gpt to Japanese for Physics + WM
only Economics to English for 10 gpt. + WM
trade WMs with Scandinavia
change lux 10 10%
IBT
Greece starts Bach
peace returns to our cities.
860
hurry barracks in Thessaloniki
I accidentially played one turn too much, I'll play 9 turns next round.
All production on home island is on infrastructure.
On the other islands production is at defense.
We share the big foreign island in the middle only with China now.
I invested gold in those cities, I suggest to keep buying all stuff in Thessaloniki (military).
Our main army is in Detroit, the cities in the north are reasonably well defended.
btw: check the graphs. We're catching up!!!
I decided to reduce Greece to two cities on our island and then try to negotiate for as many foreign-island cities as possible. My turns went very well at first but in the end I screwed up a bit with many riots + a very inconvenient flip :S
But we have quite a few new cities now (about 5) and a Forbidden Palace.
IBT
wool deal with Rome expires
Greece lands next to Shantung
760 (1)
Chantung is probably lost, I change Kaifeng to a spear and hurry it to defend at least one town in the island.
Also change Poateng to spear.
capture Athens at the cost of 1 LB It has a Marketplace, Harbor and 4 workers.
IBT Shantung is burnt by the Greek
Miami library->aquaduct
Kaifeng spear->temple
770 (2)
capture Pharsalos at the cost of 2 LB. It has a harbor and 1 worker.
IBT - riots in the bigger cities
780/790
We have our GL!!!
I named our victorious cavalry "Cavalouria", after the Pixies song 'Velouria' that was playing when it was victorious.
capture Corinth. We now have iron.
GL Washington hurries FP in Nanking
IBT Sparta flips
Nanking completes FP
Romans and Japanese are fighting on a nearby island.
From here, I change all military build to infrastructural.
800
regain control of Sparta
IBT
Rome demands wine and gets it.
810
Knossos falls
Making peace with Greece yields us Herakleia, Argos, Thessalonika, WM + 8 gold
This means two more small islands, and better foothold on the bigger one.
Greece has three cities left.
820 moving units
hurry spear in Thessalonika
IBT
our dye for for deal with Rome expires
830
Detroit founded
IBT riots everywhere - forgot to check the happiness after the trade deal stopped.
840
hurrying Harbor in Thessalonika
IBT Economics!
the riots are continuing! :O
Athens flips!
850
sell dye + economics to
Romans for Fur, Wool, 17 gpt
+ 24 gpt to Japanese for Physics + WM
only Economics to English for 10 gpt. + WM
trade WMs with Scandinavia
change lux 10 10%
IBT
Greece starts Bach
peace returns to our cities.
860
hurry barracks in Thessaloniki
I accidentially played one turn too much, I'll play 9 turns next round.
All production on home island is on infrastructure.
On the other islands production is at defense.
We share the big foreign island in the middle only with China now.
I invested gold in those cities, I suggest to keep buying all stuff in Thessaloniki (military).
Our main army is in Detroit, the cities in the north are reasonably well defended.
btw: check the graphs. We're catching up!!!
TimBentley
Deity
Got it. I'll play tonight, and figure out which cities should be productive and which cities should be science farms.
pindicator
Emperor
Good turns, Mr. Y. Tough part about Athens, but that is why I thought we may want to raze it. When we fight Greece again, I will try the same strategy: leaving them with mainland towns and demanding off-shore cities. Hopefully that will get us somewhere.
TimBentley
Deity
Here's a quick dotmap with my plan. Obviously cities can't be founded on the red dots yet. Cities below the black line can be productive; cities above it should be science farms.
TimBentley
Deity
860(0): sell WM to China for WM, 3g
sell WM to Greece for 7g
sell WM to Vikings, England, Japan for 1g
sell WM to Rome for 3g
buy ivory from Japan for 24gpt; lux to 0%
do some MM, start some courthouses, settlers
science to 80%
IBT: Tsingtao settler->settler
Thessalonica rax->worker
870(1): Japan knows navigation
IBT: Atlanta aqueduct->market
880(2): found New Orleans
IBT: Vikings start Smith's
890(3): zzz
IBT: is Japan at war with China?
England starts Smith's
Nottingham builds Copernicus
Vikings start Bach's, Smith's
barb uprising near Thessalonica
900(4): England learned ToG and traded it to Japan for navigation
switch Washington to Smith's for now; we can discuss later
IBT: learn navigation, start on ToG
how did we break a deal with Rome?
Seattle market->university
England starts Newton's
910(5): zzz
IBT: one barb attacks Thessalonica
Paoting spear->harbor
920(6): sell astronomy to China for worker, WM, 16g
IBT: Houston market->harbor
930(7): zzz
940(8): zzz
IBT: Greece, England sign MA against Rome
950(9): sell dyes to England for 11gpt
IBT: learn ToG
Japan builds embassy
960(10): zzz
Notes: You may want to raze Athens and Thermopylae when going to war with Greece.
Washington is currently set to Newton's; other choices are Bach's, Smith's, and Magellan's (for a GA with Hoover's; otherwise we wait for the F-15).
I'll be gone until Tuesday evening.
Here is the save.
Edit: I'll attach it too.
sell WM to Greece for 7g
sell WM to Vikings, England, Japan for 1g
sell WM to Rome for 3g
buy ivory from Japan for 24gpt; lux to 0%
do some MM, start some courthouses, settlers
science to 80%
IBT: Tsingtao settler->settler
Thessalonica rax->worker
870(1): Japan knows navigation
IBT: Atlanta aqueduct->market
880(2): found New Orleans
IBT: Vikings start Smith's
890(3): zzz
IBT: is Japan at war with China?
England starts Smith's
Nottingham builds Copernicus
Vikings start Bach's, Smith's
barb uprising near Thessalonica
900(4): England learned ToG and traded it to Japan for navigation
switch Washington to Smith's for now; we can discuss later
IBT: learn navigation, start on ToG
how did we break a deal with Rome?
Seattle market->university
England starts Newton's
910(5): zzz
IBT: one barb attacks Thessalonica
Paoting spear->harbor
920(6): sell astronomy to China for worker, WM, 16g
IBT: Houston market->harbor
930(7): zzz
940(8): zzz
IBT: Greece, England sign MA against Rome
950(9): sell dyes to England for 11gpt
IBT: learn ToG
Japan builds embassy
960(10): zzz
Notes: You may want to raze Athens and Thermopylae when going to war with Greece.
Washington is currently set to Newton's; other choices are Bach's, Smith's, and Magellan's (for a GA with Hoover's; otherwise we wait for the F-15).
I'll be gone until Tuesday evening.
Here is the save.
Edit: I'll attach it too.
I've PM'd Joe as he's clearly still active in the forums, asking him at least to tell you whether he's still on the team. No response as far as I can tell, so I'm sorry, but I guess you should assume he's deserted.mr. Y said:
pindicator
Emperor
AlanH said:
Yeah, him and half of the original team.
I won't be able to go until Sunday (maybe Sat night). If Tim can't play til Tuesday that really isn't a big deal, but if some wayward team member stops by and decides to play 10 turns before I pick it up, please do so!
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