Should Central Government Over Rule Local?

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As the title says.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...verything-that-is-wrong-with-local-government

Here we have local councils and you pay rates to them if you own property.

Included in rent I suppose if you don't.

A lot of local government here is essentially non functional. We have 67 different councils with a population of 5 million.

Voter participation bus also rock bottom with very low turnouts. Those that do tend to be boomers and retired people.

In some cases the local business round table or old boys club runs the show. I remember my friends whose father was in the local business club basically chose the mayor who duly wins the election.

Some of you have seem me mention our housing crisis with 50% population growth over the last 30 years. They reformed the councils 30 odd years ago greater local autonomy etc.

This has resulted in keeping rates low despite aging infrastructure. Some cities have 100+ year old pipes for example. Rates pay for things like water, rubbish collection, parks etc.

In my city we literally have Victorian era drains and pipes. Successive councils in the country have kicked the can down the road keeping rates low (around $40-$50 a week).

Note capital gains in property have hit 20% some years. Tax free.

Anyway aging infrastructure +population growth has resulted in problems. They can't kick the can down the street any longer in some places with some cities having exploding sewage pipes one of them being the capital.

Penny pinching and outsourcing has resulted in a race to the bottom. In my city we had surface flooding in heavy rains as a sub contracting company did a half assed job cleaning the drains.

And I live in one if the better cities when it comes to local government. Apart from one toxic turd overall our council basically functions. But they're also kinda broke.

Central government is threatening to essentially fire the lot and appoint commissioners to run basic services as guess who is ultimately going to have to fund infrastructure? Or put rates up by 50%.

The local councils can also gum up resource consents NIMBYism is rife. What was intended to stop developers steam rolling locals like the USA gas resulted in needed development not happening.

Pretty capital just pray your pipes don't explode or there is an earthquake. Only 1 million dollars to live there.


CFC thoughts?
 
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Everyone who lives in the United States either sees local government as the greatest thing ever, literally handed down by Jesus Christ himself backed by a choir of angels, or as a major bastion of racial segregation and other injustices.
 
Everyone who lives in the United States either sees local government as the greatest thing ever, literally handed down by Jesus Christ himself backed by a choir of angels, or as a major bastion of racial segregation and other injustices.
:lol: That is a bit of an exaggeration. "Local government" is not uniform across a state, or states. State governments are more uniform. State and local governments do not always get along or agree on what is best. They (and the feds too) often have different goals for a community. The question usually comes down to: who knows what is best for a community (small, medium or large)? The people living there? The people in the largest metro areas? People who do not live in the state at all? Somebody else?
 
I live in one of two 'autonomous provinces' of Italy. Here the local government is a veritable sacred cow.
 
We need to be clearer on what local government means. For some, it means like a state, provincial or regional government while for others, it just means local town/city "local" government. You refer to council elections, which suggests the latter meaning.

I agree that local council governments are boring and have low voter turnouts. I only think of local government as covering basic services like garbage and local amenities and nothing more. However, state/provincial governments are important. This is especially the case in federal democracies.

Too often there is a perception that central government knows best when it really doesn't. Central/national governments are great for promoting national initiatives, focusing on defence and foreign affairs, but are terrible at execution of local logistics. This is where state governments come in. In the US, you got the opposite scenario, where there is barely any central standardisation and travelling or doing business between different states can be like travelling or doing business overseas. So there should be a good balance between local, state and federal governments and that they collaborate with one another.
 
We need to be clearer on what local government means. For some, it means like a state, provincial or regional government while for others, it just means local town/city "local" government. You refer to council elections, which suggests the latter meaning.

I agree that local council governments are boring and have low voter turnouts. I only think of local government as covering basic services like garbage and local amenities and nothing more. However, state/provincial governments are important. This is especially the case in federal democracies.

Too often there is a perception that central government knows best when it really doesn't. Central/national governments are great for promoting national initiatives, focusing on defence and foreign affairs, but are terrible at execution of local logistics. This is where state governments come in. In the US, you got the opposite scenario, where there is barely any central standardisation and travelling or doing business between different states can be like travelling or doing business overseas. So there should be a good balance between local, state and federal governments and that they collaborate with one another.

I don't think we really have state level government.

You have your local council and the state.

There is some sort of provincial council but it's a lot smaller than the local council and gas even less power.
 
The way I see it; there ought to be a transparent separation between government layers with each tier having:

(a) defined duties and empowerments to permit it to undertake such duties
(b) its own fund raising (e.g. taxation) abilities to pay for it discharging its duties
(c) directly elected representatives

and functionality should be delegated to the lowest tier that is reasonably practical.
 
The way I see it; there ought to be a transparent separation between government layers with each tier having:

(a) defined duties and empowerments to permit it to undertake such duties
(b) its own fund raising (e.g. taxation) abilities to pay for it discharging its duties
(c) directly elected representatives

and functionality should be delegated to the lowest tier that is reasonably practical.

In theory agree. But there's a lot if bush fish an small pond and infighting.

2020 and the crown intervenes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/55c40476-fe4a-49bc-a121-c5973e9f8957

They basically voted to sideline themselves.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/commissioners-appointed-tauranga-city-council

I expect in the future they're gonna need to bail out all the councils in our biggest cities with billions needed as things have been run down since 1989.
 
Depends on the issue. And the government. Excessive localism on government can be as much of a problem as excessive concentration. If your actual goal is to use government to harm, then it is simply easier to do so more locally, although you can do so more comprehensively nationally. But it's also more efficient and better in quality to do many of the things most helpful for the populace nationally. Local governments simply suck at income support, for example. And many things like environmental and business regulations simply fail at the local level.
 
Cliche? 40 government's in 40 odd years and Naples not functioning few years back?

That's 44 actually (not counting reshuffles). I'd argue that it's the nature of our politics to function in fits and bursts, and it hasn't stopped Italy from being overall one of the 'good' places to be born in - just check the world map.

If you're in for laughs, don't worry about Naples: if you wish, I'll tell you a few things about Rome. It's a local government regarding over 3+ million people, and I can laugh about it because, well... I live a thousand Km from there, so I don't care.
 
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I don't think we really have state level government.

You have your local council and the state.

There is some sort of provincial council but it's a lot smaller than the local council and gas even less power.

That's because you are seeing the issue from your country's perspective. In NZ's case, you probably don't need state governments, just local and national governments. However, in Australia, considering its geography, it is necessary.
 
It's a no-brainer, imo, that local, state, provincial, etc. authorities should be subordinate to federal/centralized ones.

If you factionalize any decent sized country via strong local governance you are basically inviting a civil war.
 
In Texas, many don't like the Feds overriding the state, but want the state to override cities. Every time some local yokel starts going on about how smaller, more local government is best, I ask what they think about homeowners associations.
 
In Texas, many don't like the Feds overriding the state, but want the state to override cities. Every time some local yokel starts going on about how smaller, more local government is best, I ask what they think about homeowners associations.
I am so glad our neighborhood predates those monstrosities.
 
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