Should Civfanatics just make one "Civ V Criticism Thread"?

[r_rolo1]

And OFC, you would have to find a way of avoiding Civ V worshippers of coming to the critics thread just to flame out ( there are some posters that only come here to enter threads with critics to the game to flamebait and to tell people to go back to civ IV if they are not happy with V )

 

[SuperJay]

Merge threads by subject, sure. Mods already do this. Lock threads that duplicate other existing threads? Sure, mods already do this. Lock or remove threads that spiral into hate-spewing or personal attacks? Sure, mods already do that too.

Merge threads based on position or opinion of the OP? No, absolutely not.

I mean, I guess we could have a Civ 5 General forum with just two threads - The Official "Fanboy" Thread and The Official "Hater" Thread. It'd completely ruin any potential discussion of any aspect of the game, since every post would just be dumped into one of two places and all subjects would be thrown together regardless; but it would indeed 'clean up the forums' which seems to be the OP's overriding concern.

EDIT: Or, if we wanted to actually behave with some restraint and maturity, we could let the mods worry about organization of the forums and stop trying to suppress opinions we disagree with, stop sniping at each other in every other thread, and stop turning this entire forum into an us-against-them war zone over a video game. I know, crazy talk right?

 

[lschnarch]

Well, that's certainly not an overreaction. Nope, not at all.

You are completely right, it was no overreaction at all.

We've been confronted with somebody who likes to have all "dissidents" (= people not sharing his opinion) "concentrated" (= the one thread to leave the "field" for him and his peers).
"Violation" of such concentration shall suffer "harsh punishments".

Here are the "goods", who have to be 'protected' against bad influence, there are the "whiners" (= the bad, the ones not belonging to the people). For the sake of that protection, any means are allowed (= harsh punishments).

This is Fascism in its purest form.

 

[C~G]

I will use my post # 1000 defending ranting and whining. Not that I used 1000 post on it. I mostly used them on constructism and creativism (a word?), shaping others and my own mods for Civ 4.
But defending it because it is democracy (peoples voice) and if you suppress it, the truth shall never be heard. This would be fatal, and while I'm not going to play Civ V anymore (or at least untill something dramatically happens) I still have high hopes for Civ VI.
But if the ranting and whining was suppressed, the developers would never find out that such a big part of the hardcore fanatics, people who played the series since Civ I, people who used 1000 of hours of their own free time to develop mods etc, and people who thought that Civ IV was the best game in the world, was sooo unhappy about the result with civ V that within days after release the forums where flooding in complaints, then Civ VI is going to suck even bigger than Civ V.
But hey! you might say. Look at all these people who actually like Civ V.
But hey!!! 50% who like civ 5 more than civ 4 is just not enough. 60% isnt enough. Even 70% or 80% would still be a disasterous result in the polls.
We're not talking about two completely different titles here. We're talking about a development going all the way from Civ I. And it seems to me (and a whole lot of other people) that this development is going in the wrong direction.

END OF RANT

I'm with this guy.

(bolding, underlining mine)

 

[Slimthrull]

This cuts both ways. If you want there to be one thread for all the complaints, then there also ought to be one thread for all questions, and one thread for all the people that are happy with the game (yes, some people like the game enough as is -- not me, mind you).

 

[The_J]

I think i already commented on such a thing elsewhere: Will probably not happen, basically because of this:

I think a Civ 5 criticism thread might break the internet. It would be immense.

It's too much for one thread, and there are different complainments out there.
One thread would not work.

 

[Palfouri]

You are completely right, it was no overreaction at all.

We've been confronted with somebody who likes to have all "dissidents" (= people not sharing his opinion) "concentrated" (= the one thread to leave the "field" for him and his peers).
"Violation" of such concentration shall suffer "harsh punishments".

Here are the "goods", who have to be 'protected' against bad influence, there are the "whiners" (= the bad, the ones not belonging to the people). For the sake of that protection, any means are allowed (= harsh punishments).

This is Fascism in its purest form.

No, I would like to be able to read threads about the game without scrolling past 90238409234 I HATE STEAM THIS GAME SUCKS SO DISSAPOINTED POLL SHOULD WE HATE THIS GAME DO OU HATE THIS GAME I HATE THIS GAME threads. Given that they usually end up as circlejerks between the loudest critics and add nothing to this board I see no reason we can't make on giant circlejerk thread. And if it bothers you that much we can make some "like" thread and delete ALL threads related to positive and negative opinions until certain members of this forum learn restraint (ie never) Though I'm tickled you have proved my point that complainers talk loud when they can but then play victim whenever people call them out on their incessant whining and lack of respect for other people. Does that make you the "Juden" of this analogy?

Having read Mein Kampf I can assure you Hitler is silent on this issue and as far as I know Mussolini says nothing about it. Though your attempt to somehow compare me to those men is probably the lowest form of ad hominem I've ever encountered on the internet.
Moderator Action: Don't troll around in this forum, it's not allowed.
Attention: Further quoting of this post will result in infractions for the quoters.

 

[C~G]

I would suggest entirely ONE thread for all those people who have trouble with people complaining.

There they can complain all the time how this board is so bad that they cannot do anything but complain about other people being critical of the game.

Sounds fair, eh?

I also suggest, it's this one.

 

[lschnarch]

Though your attempt to somehow compare me to those men is probably the lowest form of ad hominem I've ever encountered on the internet.

Oh, I don't compare you to either of them. I do compare you to the ones who did the mean work for them.

 

[Drawmeus]

No, I would like to be able to read threads about the game without scrolling past 90238409234 I HATE STEAM THIS GAME SUCKS SO DISSAPOINTED POLL SHOULD WE HATE THIS GAME DO OU HATE THIS GAME I HATE THIS GAME threads.

I pretty much agree with this. I'm surprised it's lasted this long (people who genuinely aren't playing a game generally don't continue posting about it for long), but it's just... irritating.

I respect that people don't like the game. I'm aware that it has problems. But plenty of people generally like the game, and right now it's difficult even to carry on a conversation without it getting trolled by people who hate the game and have no interest in a constructive conversation about the game as it exists, or define a constructive conversation as one in which you talk about how to radically change the game from what's there.

I'd much prefer a split where the haters get split off from everyone else, not because their viewpoint is invalid but because the dead horse has been beaten and I just want to talk Civ V strategy or random stuff about the game without having the thread fill up with hate posts.

 

[charon2112]

Really, there should be two, a pro-civ V and an anti-civ V. No one's opinion would be marginalized, all opinions would be there to read. Grouping duplicate threads is just good forum management.

 

[charon2112]

This is very, very true. It takes about 5 minutes for any pro-civ V thread to be over run with people ridiculing the posters who like Civ V.

I pretty much agree with this. I'm surprised it's lasted this long (people who genuinely aren't playing a game generally don't continue posting about it for long), but it's just... irritating.

I respect that people don't like the game. I'm aware that it has problems. But plenty of people generally like the game, and right now it's difficult even to carry on a conversation without it getting trolled by people who hate the game and have no interest in a constructive conversation about the game as it exists, or define a constructive conversation as one in which you talk about how to radically change the game from what's there.

 

[Skwink]

There are so many stupid threads here! I have to wade through tons of threads like: I hate this game, and This Game Sucks!" to find a good discussion.

 

[JLoZeppeli]

I think it's annoying both ways, to be honest, when someone praise even the worse feature of civ V or bash the best...

I'm critical, but i think that the game, with some changes, can be better for sure...

I can tell that if people speak with a little more fun and more intelligence (both ways) the forum could be a better place... But the idea of ghetto, for the pleasure of not see any critic at all, it's a little silly... Maybe, i think, someone could find a better place where the game is more generally praised, or trying to counter in this forum the worse users bashing the game, with solid reasons and polite speech. I'm sure eventually that the discussion will become more polite and intelligent, or the "flamers" will be punished...

 

[masterminded]

I like how a mod posted on this very thread that this isn't going to happen and every subsequent post ignored him and continued to discuss the issue as if he had never posted.

 

[Skwink]

I like how a mod posted on this very thread that this isn't going to happen and every subsequent post ignored him and continued to discuss the issue as if he had never posted.

Why don't we just close the topic then? Because this is for discussing.

 

[SuperJay]

I'd much prefer a split where the haters get split off from everyone else, not because their viewpoint is invalid but because the dead horse has been beaten and I just want to talk Civ V strategy or random stuff about the game without having the thread fill up with hate posts.

Is that really happening so frequently? Can you link me some examples? (I mean that sincerely, not in a jerk-face kind of tone.) Lately it seems I see a lot more hating from the fervent supporters (meaning personal attacks on people), but I'm probably biased and not noticing your "side."

Your expectation isn't an unreasonable one, but why not just report the posts that invade those threads and fill them with hate?

I can understand the frustration even if we disagree about the current state of the game. I'd love to have Civ5 General forum that is less fractious and more constructive on both sides. I'd love it if we would all treat each other a little more respectfully, especially in disagreement. But look at how much division we deliberately continue to foment - you yourself continue labeling people as "haters," even while lamenting the fact that there's so much hating.

Unfortunately, it's on each one of us to make the forum a more constructive, mature, respectful place. And you know what? Most people here just don't care enough to bother.

 

[masterminded]

Skwink,

I wasn't claiming that you can't discuss it. I remarked that it's a bit ridiculous to continue the conversation without regard for the mods ruling.

 

[Palfouri]

I like how a mod posted on this very thread that this isn't going to happen and every subsequent post ignored him and continued to discuss the issue as if he had never posted.

I like how a junior moderator who is obviously not impartial said that in his opinion would not work.

 

[JLoZeppeli]

Impartial or not, as you say, he is a moderator, and if the administrators gave him the license to write that post, probably it's because of the policy of the forum on that matter..