Yuri2356
Test Screening
Polite, by say, holding doors/offering seets/paying for things- yes.
Chivalrous, by say, deuling over a lady's honour- no.
Chivalrous, by say, deuling over a lady's honour- no.
Should men be chivalrous?
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cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
The Last Conformist said:
Reminds me of the only time I've been in a bar, with my brother. One of his friends put his arm around my shoulder and told me a wise tidbit:"Wanna know the secret to drinkin' free? Fat chicks"
MCincy
Chieftain
Not to soud overly zealous, but this is one of things that plagues western civilization today, as women strive for equality there is a group of "hanger-ons" who tear down the old institutions that although inherenty sexist also provide desireable service to society as a whole. To live chivalrously means not only to underestand that men and women are different and aid the fairer sex, but also to live in such a way that domestic crime could be cut and violence against women decreases. So as women make progress in areas equality, social structures that to some extent helped and protected them crumbled, leading to such problems as spousal abuse, and high divorce rates that are present today.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Well said, MCincy - exactly my thoughts on the issue.
Gr3yL3gion
Voice of Madness
It depends on my mood though, females here expect you to show a certain amount of "politeness" when you are with them. It's even worst when you are dating them as they expect you to open the door, fetch them to and fro from work/school, pay for the food, humor them, hand them some porcket money once awhile.
That's why I tend to get selective when offering my kindness to other people, obviously because I am not that well off, and not all of them deserve it.
That's why I tend to get selective when offering my kindness to other people, obviously because I am not that well off, and not all of them deserve it.
Aww...but it's so much fun! I know you'll agree once you're in the Brooklyn Bridge subway station and call out a random male by saying:Yuri2356 said:
"Sir, I shall smite you to defend the honor of..." (searching for woman) "...that lady!"
Besides, I have to be nice to everyone. Everyone always suspects the large guy should something wrong happen. Nobody believes self-defense when it's someone like me.
The Last Conformist
Irresistibly Attractive
Hand a girlfriend pocket money? I'm generally pretty liberal, but that would get my "treat like a whore" bells ringing.
Rambuchan
The Funky President
:shakehead Pitiful.The Last Conformist said:
Gr3yL3gion
Voice of Madness
The Last Conformist said:
It's a common practice in some parts of asia, but it's not like what you think though...
Rambuchan
The Funky President
Hand a girlfriend pocket money? I'm generally pretty liberal, but that would get my "treat like a whore" "sugar daddy" bells ringing.
I think it's over the line when you're half-supporting them and once you say "sorry, my electric bill was high, no money today" that it breaks some kind of custom...but that's just my view.
farting bob
ThEy MaDe Me Do iT.
You have sugar daddy bells? Whered you buy them from?
Anyway, since im usually the poor one in my relationships (curse not having a job!) i dont give them money, and they dont give me any. Generally, with most girls, we'll each pay for our share, unless one cant afford it at the time or whatever.
Anyway, since im usually the poor one in my relationships (curse not having a job!) i dont give them money, and they dont give me any. Generally, with most girls, we'll each pay for our share, unless one cant afford it at the time or whatever.
h4ppy
You sir, pineapple?
I treat everyone the same no matter how many vaginas they have. I'll hold the door open for anyone behind me but I won't give someone my seat. Similarly I'll only go halfway on a bill if I only eat half the food. (I usually eat more so I usually pay more though)
Bozo Erectus
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I always open the door for women. What better way to check out her butt?
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
it'd be even funnier if the break up was....The Yankee said:
guy: um...no.
girl: no? what do you mean no? go on, pay up.
guy: sorry, but i'm not paying for that, i dont have the money.
girl: well then. i guess that means we're breaking up.
how could you do this to me? guy: i'm sorry, but i just cant afford YOUR electric bill when you run both the heater and the AC all the time. be a little considerate, atleast turn one off.
girl: AHHH!! how could you. cant you understand that it's too hot in the kitchen and too cold in the living room? i need ot run both to be comfortable.
Rambuchan
The Funky President
I don't know why I waste my time like this :shakehead
Gr3yL3gion
Voice of Madness
Most of my friends dated some poor educated girls who finished high school and working in a dead end job, so naturally they have to support the girlfriends family if they are poor.
I tend to date highly educated female here, which are more feminist than those lower educated females, but are still demanding nonetheless.
I guess it's got more to do materialistic culture that is evolving in the east that people here would choose financial stability over love... maybe that just my thought though.
I tend to date highly educated female here, which are more feminist than those lower educated females, but are still demanding nonetheless.
I guess it's got more to do materialistic culture that is evolving in the east that people here would choose financial stability over love... maybe that just my thought though.
anarres
anarchist revolutionary
No.cgannon64 said:
I do however hold doors open for women - as I do for men.
I offer to give my seat up to an elderly/infirm/parent with child/pregnant/injured person - because it is common curtosy to do so, yet it matters not male or female.
I guess I want to ask: Why do you think women should be treated like they are less capable then men?
After all, this is what it boils down to. Women get different treatment (or certainly used to) because they were considered less than men. They were considered property of men in many many socities.
Ask yourself why you feel the need to carry on this tradition (for that is exactly what it is) - after all, are traditions not made to broken? They are, by their very nature a product of their time, and by their very nature they become outdated by society.
Do you really think in 500 years men will still be opening doors for women more than other men???
I guess I'd like any and all of you who say they treat women differently to answer my questions, but most of all Ram. I have to admit I am disappointed in your response, that sexism is ok because you think of it as kindness.
Cuivienen
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No. Men should not be chivalrous. Anarres put it well - men (and women) should hold open doors, etc. for both men and women. I do not appreciate having a door opened for me and then slammed in the face of the guy walking behind me. "Positive sexism" is no better than negative sexism. I've said somethign along these lines before.
Both men and women shoudl hold open doros for everyone.
Both men and women should offer to pay the entire check.
There are some girls and women who like chivalry, but they are generally the hangers-on, those who you guys will spend way more time and money pampering than you want. Most girls and women do not appreciate chivalry because it is a silent way of demeaning us.
Both men and women shoudl hold open doros for everyone.
Both men and women should offer to pay the entire check.
There are some girls and women who like chivalry, but they are generally the hangers-on, those who you guys will spend way more time and money pampering than you want. Most girls and women do not appreciate chivalry because it is a silent way of demeaning us.
anarres
anarchist revolutionary
Wait - I need to get this straight...MCincy said:
You advocate encouraging social conditions that are sexist if they reduce domestic and violent crime towards women? You know you can argue a case for Sharia law based on that?
What about if segregating blacks reduced the violence towards them by white bigots? Should they re-introduce segregation in the US?
What is this concept that sexism is "ok if....x is achieved" - that is just rediculous!
Even better - you are claiming that treating women as lesser beings "helped and protected them"?? Is this a serious claim? How about slave owners who "protected" their slaves from other whites? Did that justify the treatment of equals as lesser people?
Domestic violence occours because people are unhappy in todays society. It is not the increase in womens rights that has caused it, but much more likley the general state of disillusionment with society that a huge number of people have (especially in America). Do you claim that black violence in the ghettos is stemming from anything other then the disenfranchment of the black population? Then why claim violence against women is the result of women's rights increasing?
