Should sentient computers have "Human Rights"?

[Xanikk999]

No,

十つ字限界

Very unchristian and immoral, please rethink your answer.

 

[Dr Alimentado]

Or Dan Simmons. Or Alastair Reynolds.

Asimov is great too but not very realistic, I think.

I love both Dan Simmons and Asimov, but I agree that Asimov is less realistic in many ways. He's great for his 40k year story arcs though

Never read Alastair Reynolds - is he any good?

 

[Dr Alimentado]

Very unchristian and immoral, please rethink your answer.

This athiest is also slightly fascinated by the theological argument; I mean surely any sentient creature would be equal under god?

 

[GenMarshall]

Very unchristian and immoral, please rethink your answer.

Dont you get tired of that? AlCosta pwned you on that statement. So dont go around saying "how unchristian like" if you don't know the details about it.

An advanced warning, I don't want to degrade this thread into a theological debate, any replies from you in regards to "how unchristian like" will be ignored.

Quit the squabbing and stick to the OP's topic.

 

[Gogf]

Why not? They could still think and consider all the options, they just wouldnt want to have rights.

I can think and consider every option in life, but i dont want to ever join the military. Am i not sentient?

Would you like to be denied the right to join the military? You probably wouldn't care, but I'm sure plenty of people who will never join the military would.

No,

十つ字限界

What does this mean?

This athiest is also slightly fascinated by the theological argument; I mean surely any sentient creature would be equal under god?

I don't see how that can be, because Christians believe that God created man to rule over the animals, yet animals are sentient.

 

[GenMarshall]

What does this mean?

I got tired of posting "Ten Character Limit" or "XCL"
(BTW: It means Ten Character Limit)

 

[Dr Alimentado]

I don't see how that can be, because Christians believe that God created man to rule over the animals, yet animals are sentient.

Yeah I guess you are right, but by 'sentient AI' I assume human or above intelligence coupled with self awareness.
If we found human level intelligent aliens what would the theological position be; and from that would there be any difference morally between intelligent aliens and intelligent computers?

 

[Gogf]

Yeah I guess you are right, but by 'sentient AI' I assume human or above intelligence coupled with self awareness.
If we found human level intelligent aliens what would the theological position be; and from that would there be any difference morally between intelligent aliens and intelligent computers?

Well, I wonder how we would judge the level of consciousness of something. We can't even do it with our fellow humans, so doing so with a machine would be very difficult.

Computers would not have developed pain and emotion through natural selection like humans have. That eliminates a lot of problems, but also opens an entirely new can of worms, which I won't get into.

 

[Xanikk999]

Would you like to be denied the right to join the military? You probably wouldn't care, but I'm sure plenty of people who will never join the military would.

Funny you should mention that, because i am denied that right because i take medication and am autistic/aspergers.

 

[Xanikk999]

Dont you get tired of that? AlCosta pwned you on that statement. So dont go around saying "how unchristian like" if you don't know the details about it.

An advanced warning, I don't want to degrade this thread into a theological debate, any replies from you in regards to "how unchristian like" will be ignored.

Quit the squabbing and stick to the OP's topic.

Actually no he didnt, pretty much all you guys did in the chatroom was question my intellegence, which had nothing to do with the comment.

Wouldnt god view all sentient creatures as equal? I dont think god is racist is he?

Anyway respond to it in chat if you want il come back if you dont attack me again.

 

[Gogf]

Wouldnt god view all sentient creatures as equal?

Obviously not because, because "God created man to rule over the animals."

I dont think god is racist is he?

I don't see how not viewing a human and a shrew or a human and a computer as equal makes someone "racist."

 

[Xanikk999]

Obviously not because, because "God created man to rule over the animals."



I don't see how not viewing a human and a shrew or a human and a computer as equal makes someone "racist."

Animals are not sentient.

It seems religion was not created to forsee these future events.

I see another civil rights movement in the future...

 

[Gogf]

Animals are not sentient.

This is ridiculous. I have just as much reason to believe that animals are sentient as I do that you're sentient. They reply to stimulae. They have brains, eyes, ears, and noses. My DNA is very, very similar to that of most monkeys.

It seems religion was not created to forsee these future events.

On the vein you were following, you need to assume that what religion tells us is correct. If that is true, I don't see how God WOULDN'T have known that this would eventually happen. God is, after all, omniscient.

I see another civil rights movement in the future...

I don't see sentient computers in the foreseeable future.

 

[GenMarshall]

Wouldnt god view all sentient creatures as equal?

Sentient Computers (AI) are called artifical for a reason. Because its man made intelligence. God would not view a machine as equal to man. But why does it matter to you since you are an Atheist, are you not?

Besides the point, I don't foresee any sentient computers capable of individual though in the future.

I dont think god is racist is he?

WTH does sentience has to do with race? Get your terms straight for crying out loud.

 

[Xanikk999]

Sentient Computers (AI) are called artifical for a reason. Because its man made intelligence. God would not view a machine as equal to man. But why does it matter to you since you are an Atheist, are you not?

Besides the point, I don't foresee any sentient computers capable of individual though in the future.

Its possible, so it can happen. Probably not in our lifetimes.

WTH does sentience has to do with race? Get your terms straight for crying out loud.

Well i didnt feel like making up a word. Instead of avoiding the question you could of answered it.

 

[Xanikk999]

This is ridiculous. I have just as much reason to believe that animals are sentient as I do that you're sentient. They reply to stimulae. They have brains, eyes, ears, and noses. My DNA is very, very similar to that of most monkeys..

Animals are still not capable of human thought. I dont know what the definition of sentient is but im pretty sure its human like intellegence.

On the vein you were following, you need to assume that what religion tells us is correct. If that is true, I don't see how God WOULDN'T have known that this would eventually happen. God is, after all, omniscient

Face it, abrahamic religions make no mention of tons of things in the modern world. This is probably because it started thousands of years ago.

I don't see sentient computers in the foreseeable future.

I didnt say forseeable future. I just think its this kind of attitude that leads to problems. Lots of things could happen hundreds to thousands of years from now.

 

[Gogf]

Animals are still not capable of human thought. I dont know what the definition of sentient is but im pretty sure its human like intellegence.

Obviously not, because they're not humans.

Sentient essentially means conscious or having working senses..

Face it, abrahamic religions make no mention of tons of things in the modern world. This is probably because it started thousands of years ago.

This is irrelevant. You cannot say "God must see all sentient beings as equal" and then fudge that to "God must see humans and computer as equal, but the bible doesn't say that because it was made up by people a lone time ago." If there is a God in the sense that you refer to, then he wrote the bible. If there is not, then your point doesn't really make sense.

I didnt say forseeable future. I just think its this kind of attitude that leads to problems. Lots of things could happen hundreds to thousands of years from now.

But we can't predict them because they're not in the foreseeable future.

 

[Xanikk999]

Obviously not, because they're not humans.

Sentient essentially means conscious or having working senses...

Ok then, animals still dont have the same level of human thought so why is it unfair to say we should give them the same rights as we would a sentient robot? (When people talk about sentient robot they mean intellegent aka human intellegence)

This is irrelevant. You cannot say "God must see all sentient beings as equal" and then fudge that to "God must see humans and computer as equal, but the bible doesn't say that because it was made up by people a lone time ago." If there is a God in the sense that you refer to, then he wrote the bible. If there is not, then your point doesn't really make sense.

How is it irrelevent? If the bible is the word of god as christians beileve then he should of forseen all these possibilities and given explantions for them.

But we can't predict them because they're not in the foreseeable future.

So what? Thats irrelevent. People a thousand years ago couldnt predict when the automobile would be invented, probably couldnt imagine it either.

 

[Gogf]

Ok then, animals still dont have the same level of human thought so why is it unfair to say we should give them the same rights as we would a sentient robot? (When people talk about sentient robot they mean intellegent aka human intellegence)

I doubt that that's correct. If they meant a computer capable of human reasoning, they would have said that. Regardless, I still have no idea how we could actually judge this.

How is it irrelevent? If the bible is the word of god as christians beileve then he should of forseen all these possibilities and given explantions for them.

I'm not going to get into a debate with you about the veracity of the bible. If you're going to make an argument predicated on the fact that God exists, you need to accept the bible. It's part of the baggage of the argument.

So what? Thats irrelevent. People a thousand years ago couldnt predict when the automobile would be invented, probably couldnt imagine it either.

It's probably not very relevant. I'm just saying that I don't think this is really going to be an issue within any reasonable time-frame from now.

 

[Atlas14]

I hate computers, sentient ones even more. If such a human rights proposition ever came into effect, I'd show my detest by taking some of these so-called intelligent computers to the shooting range.