Should we ban nonsulfuric hydrite?

[nonconformist]

Oh noes! My argon's S orbital is full!

 

[Sophie 378]

But the 4s is empty. Ar= 1s2 2s2 2p6 3s2 3p6.

 

[Cuivienen]

Not to be a Nazi, but that's "Hydroxic Acid". It's a similar name to hydrogen hydroxide.

Wouldn't it more accurately be Hydrohydroxic acid? After all, hydroxide ends in -ide, not -ate or -ite.

Nonsulfuric hydrite... What a weird alternate name for water. Where did you come up with it?

 

[Perfection]

"Nonsulfuric hydrite"? My inner chemist weeps.

Mine too, mine too.

Wouldn't it more accurately be Hydrohydroxic acid? After all, hydroxide ends in -ide, not -ate or -ite.

There's already a hydro prefix why would you need a second?

Nonsulfuric hydrite... What a weird alternate name for water. Where did you come up with it?

I think he's trying to call it a hydrate of a nonexistant substance but he butchered it in the process.

 

[nonconformist]

Well, water is an acid in as far as the Ahrrenius/Lowry-Bronsted definition is concerned.

 

[Perfection]

Well, water is an acid in as far as the Ahrrenius/Lowry-Bronsted definition is concerned.

And it's also a base

 

[nonconformist]

Proton acceptor? How so?

EDIT.....dumbass...peroxide with a dative bond.....

 

[Perfection]

Or just plain ol' hydronium...

 

[Cuivienen]

Mine too, mine too.

There's already a hydro prefix why would you need a second?

I think he's trying to call it a hydrate of a nonexistant substance but he butchered it in the process.

'Hydroxide' is the name of the polyatomic ion. -ide polyatomic ions get a hydro- added to the beginning when they become acids. By nomenclature rules, it has to have a hydro- added.

 

[Sims2789]

I see this as another thinly veiled attempt by Sims to prove how smart he is. Despite Sims' intentionally deceptive use of "scientific" terms, there's no ground for any intelligent debate or conversation in this area; it's water. I bestow upon thee the rmsharpe Award for Spam Generation.

To remain on topic, no.

Actually I was trying to prove how little people know about science. You only feel stupid when we debate because you cannot understand my logical arguments, as yours are emotionally-based whereas mine are emperically-based*. It's typical of the less class in a society; they fear knowledge.

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[Perfection]

'Hydroxide' is the name of the polyatomic ion. -ide polyatomic ions get a hydro- added to the beginning when they become acids. By nomenclature rules, it has to have a hydro- added.

Can you provide other examples of this? It seems to me that the Hydrosulfuric acid becomining hydrosulfide would be something that contrary to your ideas.

 

[Perfection]

Actually I was trying to prove how little people know about science.

Well, you succesfully demonstrated that you stink at chemical nomenclature.

 

[Sims2789]

Well, you succesfully demonstrated that you stink at chemical nomenclature.

C'mon, I couldn't have possibly thought of a sensible name that wouldn't ring a bell with water, hence me choosing a complex one.

 

[nonconformist]

Hydro-sulphuric acid? I.E sulphuric acid?

And what the hell was the point of this? Chemists use trivial names where applicable; noone in hell cals water "Dihydrogen Monoxide" let alone "nonsulphuric hydrite".
The only reason nomenclatur is used is when there are potential isomers, chirals, or because it's part of a homogenous group.

 

[Perfection]

C'mon, I couldn't have possibly thought of a sensible name that wouldn't ring a bell with water, hence me choosing a complex one.

You shoulda done something semiplausible, like dihydroether. It's not IUPAC approved, but it's obvious that it's the only thing that would make sense. Nonsulfuric would mean any other hydrite then a sulfuric one, which would mean a whole lot of stuff provided hydrites were hydrates...

 

[Sims2789]

Can you provide other examples of this? It seems to me that the Hydrosulfuric acid becomining hydrosulfide would be something that contrary to your ideas.

Sulfuric acid would become hydrogen sulfate, as it is two hydrogens plus a sulfate ion. If it were H2S then it would be hydrogen sulfide.

 

[Perfection]

Hydro-sulphuric acid? I.E sulphuric acid?

No, not the same. Hydrosulfuric acid is an occasionally used term for hydrogen sulfide.

And what the hell was the point of this? Chemists use trivial names where applicable; noone in hell cals water "Dihydrogen Monoxide" let alone "nonsulphuric hydrite".

The idea is to confuse the public with a scientific sounding name for a common chemical (though on rare occasions an acid or base term is used to emphasize its ability to act as one

The only reason nomenclatur is used is when there are potential isomers, chirals, or because it's part of a homogenous group.

Ah, but there are many homogenous groups, different names can identify them in different groups.

 

[nonconformist]

Ah, but there are many homogenous groups, different names can identify them in different groups.

Yes, which is why we call ethanol ethanol instead of alcohol. Or 1-6-dihexanoic acid instead of what type of ridiculous trivila name we give it.

 

[Perfection]

Sometimes though, the names are better suited for different purposes (one identifies it in one group, while the other in another)

aluminic acid/aluminum hydroxide is great example. One emphasises it's ability to be an acid the other to be a base.

Different names for the same compound is often useful in chemistry.

 

[The Yankee]

"Nonsulfuric hydrite"? My inner chemist weeps.

I don't have an inner chemist!

Which makes me quite relaxed as people argue about other possible names for water.