Should you report Cannibis dealing?

[Berzerker]

Yeah, but if my boss and his wife are coming over for a hot game of auction pinochle and your dobbie is reeking up the foyer, that'd really harsh my buzz all the same.

complain to the person who owns the apartments

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Exactly! No need to get the police involved.

I can't wait when legalization in Oregon goes into full effect this summer. No doubt this sort of neighborly bickering will flare up a lot at first. People will call the cops on their neighbors, and the cops will have to tell them there is nothing they can legally do about it, and to not waste their time any further with these complaints in the future.:

What laws does Oregon have regarding cigarettes? Given how California has cracked down on the second hand smoke issues I wonder how the smell of pot floating through an apartment building would be handled here, even if the pot was legal.

 

[Zelig]

Also for the record, I do not consider meeting violence with violence to be insane at all.

Nobody sane considers sidewalk cleaners or bylaw officers to be violent.

 

[CaptainF]

What laws does Oregon have regarding cigarettes? Given how California has cracked down on the second hand smoke issues I wonder how the smell of pot floating through an apartment building would be handled here, even if the pot was legal.

Pretty strict. All major public universities are smoke free-campuses, no smoking in bars, cigarette taxes, no smoking in public parks (pretty sure, don't quote me on that one)...I think one local politician a few years ago submitted a bill to make tobacco a prescription-only product.

I would hope that all you Californians could smoke buds to your heart's content at home when it eventually gets legal, despite what any NIMBY neighbors might say...I mean you guys already do that anyway right?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Nobody sane considers sidewalk cleaners or bylaw officers to be violent.

Guns aren't violent either. It's when you point them at people and demand your way with a threat to back it that violence is being done...but it ain't the gun that does it.

 

[Borachio]

Also for the record, I do not consider meeting violence with violence to be insane at all.

It's a fairly mental attitude, if not downright insane, though, don't you think?

It's like fighting fire with fire.

"Oh, I know what will put the fire out in my house: I'll set fire to the house next door. Yeah, that'll do it."

 

[Farm Boy]

Yea, but in proud internet forum tradition we're taking the baseline situation all the way to 11, aren't we?

A code enforcement officer is violence. He isn't going to shoot you over the sidewalk, but he will start the process of taking things away from you, incrementally, for noncompliance until the truly dedicated to noncompliance wind up dead clutching a rifle on a Montana ranch. So you can either meet (incremental)violence with (incremental)violence. Thus fighting fire with fire. Or, to take the counterexample all the way to 11, you can say "Please don't hurt me, please wear a condom." Right? The world might be better if we had more beggars and less shootouts. It probably just flat would be actually. But there's those pride and dignity things. They're overrated. But telling other people their pride and dignity are overrated is an old and bad thing.

Dawg: fair enough!

 

[Borachio]

Or, you know, you could just try putting water on the fire.

You seem to want there to be only the two ends to the spectrum: shoot someone else dead or bend over while they take you up the backside.

 

[Farm Boy]

Yea, that's the counterexample. You're assuming it's effective in the face of violence. And sure, once in a blue moon, it very much seems to be. But only with people who weren't particularly dedicated to the proposition of violence in the first place unless you give them exactly what they want.

 

[Borachio]

OK. But then your position is self-defeating.

If you're successful against the current chief protagonist intent on causing you mischief through the use of violence, then you become the current chief protagonist who uses violence. Until you, in turn, are supplanted by the next one.

By using violence, in short, you legitimize the use of violence.

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

 

[Zelig]

Guns aren't violent either. It's when you point them at people and demand your way with a threat to back it that violence is being done...but it ain't the gun that does it.

Sidewalk cleaners don't carry guns.

Sidewalk cleaners are as much a threat as "I won't bribe you with parties."

 

[Farm Boy]

Yes, those that live by the sword shall die by the sword. And those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.

Does anything make you think both aren't true? They certainly aren't contradictory.

 

[Borachio]

Oh well, I must have misunderstood you then.

I understood you to be saying that violence is very often necessary.

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, it's mostly a function of what people will bear, innit?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Sidewalk cleaners don't carry guns.

FarmBoy, care to handle my light work?

A code enforcement officer is violence. He isn't going to shoot you over the sidewalk, but he will start the process of taking things away from you, incrementally, for noncompliance until the truly dedicated to noncompliance wind up dead clutching a rifle on a Montana ranch.

Thanks!

 

[Borachio]

Well, it's mostly a function of what people will bear, innit?

This remark is either very deep, or... it isn't. And I may, or may not, understand what you mean.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What he means is that most people define violence as what is done to them and never by them.

The world is full of people who firmly believe that "I will call people who if you do not comply with my wishes will seize your property, incarcerate you, or possibly shoot you dead as a doornail," isn't violence on their part just because their hands are clean at the end of the day. I find that revolting so I point it out regularly.

 

[BvBPL]

I would hope so, my hallway belongs to me, not you. But if they're in your hallway aren't they trespassing? Or is it your hallway? You dont wanna answer that for some reason.

If we share a common hallway then it is both our hallways. If you, in your apartment, are smoking a fat bone and stinking up the hallway than you are trespassing on my hallway.

 

[Borachio]

What he means is that most people define violence as what is done to them and never by them.

The world is full of people who firmly believe that "I will call people who if you do not comply with my wishes will seize your property, incarcerate you, or possibly shoot you dead as a doornail," isn't violence on their part just because their hands are clean at the end of the day. I find that revolting so I point it out regularly.

That's fair I guess.

But what if you, as a disabled person let's say, witness an ongoing violent attack in the street? Would you not then call the police?

 

[Farm Boy]

What he means is that most people define violence as what is done to them and never by them.

That's a part of it! Though what they're willing to do about it is part of it. What they're capable of doing about it is part of it. What they'll tolerate is part of it, and what they'll need to tolerate in the future if they're tolerant now? That is also a part of it.