Should you report Cannibis dealing?

[Zelig]

I'm not committed to being a jerk at all...but I'll hunt a rat out of a woodpile if I have to burn the entire woodpile in the process.

Exactly why I wouldn't want to risk a polite request to you.

 

[Borachio]

I like my rats to live on in peace in the woodpile. As long as there aren't too many of them they don't bother me unduly.

The thing to do with rats, though, is ensure you don't leave food (in the way of kitchen waste, for example) around for them.

Quite how this metaphor might be extended to human neighbours, I'm not so sure. But I'll let you know if my neighbours' breeding habits start to get out of control. Or if I catch them foraging in my garbage bins.

 

[Farm Boy]

Certain neighborhoods function like female-doggy small towns. They're inhabited by imperfect people, like everywhere is, but they contain individuals incapable of playing nice with each other. The problem isn't that individuals are imperfect, there are tons of well-functioning neighborhoods. The problem lies with the people who can't manage to stop metaphorically crapping all over the place. Now these people are usually well within their rights, but after enough years of hollering not only about keeping off their lawn but also tattling about how you need to be keeping yours, they seem to spend much of their twilight years calling the non-emergency number at the sheriff's office, not necessarily because they want to be reporting something wrong in the neighborhood everyday, but because the deputies are some of the only people left that are still obligated to speak with the curmudgeony old coots.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Exactly why I wouldn't want to risk a polite request to you.

Your mistake. If you came to my door and said "the ice on your sidewalk screws up my training runs" I'd have a friendly conversation with you, because I'd be interested in anyone who trains for anything in the deep winter. Then I would not only resolve your problem with my sidewalk, but take care of making sure my immediate neighbors did as well.

On the other hand, if the cops come to my door about the ice on the sidewalk I would clear it. And the next time there was ice I would keep an eye out for people who seemed unusually interested in my sidewalk. Anyone who appeared to make a specific note of my address would be immediately classified as a rat, and dealt with appropriately.

 

[Zelig]

Your mistake. If you came to my door and said "the ice on your sidewalk screws up my training runs" I'd have a friendly conversation with you, because I'd be interested in anyone who trains for anything in the deep winter. Then I would not only resolve your problem with my sidewalk, but take care of making sure my immediate neighbors did as well.

On the other hand, if the cops come to my door about the ice on the sidewalk I would clear it. And the next time there was ice I would keep an eye out for people who seemed unusually interested in my sidewalk. Anyone who appeared to make a specific note of my address would be immediately classified as a rat, and dealt with appropriately.

Yeah, I have no wish to attempt any in-personal dealings with irrational madmen.

And anyway, the empirical evidence shows that my way works, and has no negative consequences.

 

[dgfred]

I try to avoid ice... or wear anti-ice shoes . The original question was about reporting reefer smoking and was it a good/bad idea. We have drifted a little.

Did we ever decide what might be the best route to take?

I voted: talk to them first

 

[Triewd]

We have now drifted significantly:

To be honest I don't know what the best course of action here is though I probably won't report unless my neighbor or his drug dealer irritates me now.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah, I have no wish to attempt any in-personal dealings with irrational madmen.

And anyway, the empirical evidence shows that my way works, and has no negative consequences.

Until the rat gets caught in the woodpile they always think it is a fine snug home.

Good luck to you.

Better luck to your victims.

Ciao.

 

[Farm Boy]

Mice living in engine compartments are funnier when you start it up for the first time after winter. Granted, it takes a while for the tufts of fur and stench of urine to dissipate, but they always do.

 

[BvBPL]

We have now drifted significantly:

To be honest I don't know what the best course of action here is though I probably won't report unless my neighbor or his drug dealer irritates me now.

If you don't want to involve the police, either because you feel it would be excessive or because you believe it would be ineffective, you can always bring up the issue with your landlord.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If you don't want to involve the police, either because you feel it would be excessive or because you believe it would be ineffective, you can always bring up the issue with your landlord.

I mentioned it before, but specifically this is a perfect opening for the "I hate cops" approach. There is no drug dealer, anywhere, who would listen to "I hate cops, and you guys are so obvious about what you are doing that sooner or later some rat in the woodpile is going to call them on you and bring them into my building, so please stop being so obvious" and not take some corrective action. In all likelihood they will thank you and ask exactly how they are being obvious.

 

[Narz]

Calling cops should always be an absolute last resort. Would I want cops called on me over some small thing? No, I'd appreciate someone telling me personally. Now if I slam the door in their face thats something different but most people wouldn't do that.

The worst is couples who constantly call the cops on each other, I have absolutely zero respect for them. I've been thru hell & back (and then back to hell again) with my ex but we have never gotten the law involved, nor have we gotten the law involved in sorting our mutual child's care/upbringing.

I view the law (cops/court/etc.) kind of like I view hospitals, good in an absolute emergency (maybe), otherwise something I want to stay the hell away from.

Most times if someone's being a dick & you figure direct confrontation is useless there are more creative ways to influence them than calling police.

And anyway, the empirical evidence shows that my way works, and has no negative consequences.

What evidence? The evidence shows that people who get cops called on them immediately reform their ways & never have run ins with police ever again?

 

[Zelig]

Until the rat gets caught in the woodpile they always think it is a fine snug home.

Good luck to you.

Better luck to your victims.

Ciao.

If one of my neighbors goes insane and burns down my home I won't have to deal with him/her anymore in any case.

What evidence? The evidence shows that people who get cops called on them immediately reform their ways & never have run ins with police ever again?

Sidewalks in my neighborhood and running route now stay clear.

 

[Borachio]

There's an interesting question here though about just when it is appropriate to call the police.

For me it's pretty much never at all, but I fancy my position is a fairly superficial and indefensible one.

Surely, if I witnessed a murder being perpetrated outside my house, and I'm incapable of dealing with the matter myself (which I must probably am), isn't my only recourse, and in fact my moral duty, to call the police?

 

[CaptainF]

If someone was stinking up my apartment building and selling weed indiscreetly...I would introduce myself to that gentleman and ask to purchase an ounce of his best nugs. At the very least, I would ask him if he'd like to match me on a joint or bowl.

Moral question with several off shoots:

1 Is cannabis destructive to society?

2 Does it cause things like vehicle crime?

3 Will there be blowout from this?

I don't like snitching on people so I haven't yet.

Your thoughts?

1. Absolutely not

2. No

3. It won't make you any new friends.

The only time I would do it is if somebody was dealing in my apartment building or next door, and the smell/commotion was causing problems in my own living space. I've done that for pot use as well.

I couldn't care less if people smoke pot, but when it begins to infringe on my ability to have a quiet (and free-of-odor) apartment, then I get mad.

Why not just talk to your neighbors, tell them that the smell is an issue? Like others have said, potheads/pot dealers don't want to get busted, so they would heed your warnings.

Ask your neighbor to bake to get baked and to vape to get blazed. It's a disruptive odor if you don't want to smell it. Fortunately, unlike with tobacco, it clears very convincingly very fast.

Vaping is a good option to dramatically reduce smell, also a more efficient way to consume than smoking.

But baking? That might not be a good option to avoid smell issues. In my experience cooking up cannabis foods usually leaves a quite prevalent odor in its wake.

- Grab a roll of toilet paper, remove all toilet paper
- Stuff a bunch of fleece fabric softener sheets in there
- Exhale through your new magical marijuana smoke to lemony scent converter

That's close, but not quite enough.

What me and my old roommate did to reduce smell was take an empty one of these:

1. Poke small air holes in the bottom of the bottle
2. Fill bottom half of bottle with activated carbon pellets (available at pet stores)
3. Fill upper half of bottle with fabric softener sheets.
4. To use, blow smoke through top of bottle, and it exits out the bottom air holes.

The activated carbon is the most crucial ingredient. Without that, the weed smell remains rather prevalent.

One of my residents did that when I was an RA. Worked well.

Never smoke in the dorms! That's far too much of a risk.

If I were an RA I would clue in my pothead residents on some nice local hikes or chill spots around campus.

1. Yes, but criminalization is far worse.
2. No.
3. Depends on the situation, it won't make you friends. But it's unlikely anybody will come cap your knee.

Personally I wouldn't unless it was directly disrupting your living space. All that said if they ever called a noise complaint on me I would rat them out in an instant.

Wow, that's rather vindictive. What if they reported you on a noise complaint because you were actually being loud?

And yes, I'd report any illegal drug dealing I knew about.

That sucks.

Totally.

Stinking up the hallway with the scent of your weed and being so overt in your drug deals that your neighbors feel compelled to record the plate number of your dealer is a the very definition of a dick.

Nah, that's just a rather stupid person.

Agreed 100%.

But no, smokers have to litter their drug related paraphernalia everywhere. I have no idea why everybody seems to think that throwing your cigarette butts on the ground is "a-okay".

Do your drug somewhere where it doesn't affect the rest of us, please. And take all your garbage with you.

It annoys me too when I see weed smokers doing this when they smoke in public, leaving behind blunt wrap cases, roaches...

Leave it as you found it!

Calling cops should always be an absolute last resort. Would I want cops called on me over some small thing? No, I'd appreciate someone telling me personally. Now if I slam the door in their face thats something different but most people wouldn't do that.

The worst is couples who constantly call the cops on each other, I have absolutely zero respect for them. I've been thru hell & back (and then back to hell again) with my ex but we have never gotten the law involved, nor have we gotten the law involved in sorting our mutual child's care/upbringing.

I view the law (cops/court/etc.) kind of like I view hospitals, good in an absolute emergency (maybe), otherwise something I want to stay the hell away from.

Most times if someone's being a dick & you figure direct confrontation is useless there are more creative ways to influence them than calling police.

I concur.

 

[Farm Boy]

Wow, that's rather vindictive. What if they reported you on a noise complaint because you were actually being loud?

Then I would have appreciated a simple, "Sounds like you're having fun, but it's late and I have to get up. Could you take the volume down a notch or two?"

Bear in mind if you're not in the dorms that noise complaint is going to result in deputies/troopers responding to my door. And if I'm the sort of person that might be doing what you're talking about doing, I'd be under the correct assumption that you are attempting to get me arrested.

 

[CaptainF]

Then I would have appreciated a simple, "Sounds like you're having fun, but it's late and I have to get up. Could you take the volume down a notch or two?"

Bear in mind if you're not in the dorms that noise complaint is going to result in deputies/troopers responding to my door. And if I'm the sort of person that might be doing what you're talking about doing, I'd be under the correct assumption that you are attempting to get me arrested.

Hmm...I think I was referring to nc-1707 being the non-pot dealing neighbor who gets complained on by his pot dealing neighbors, and then in turn rats out his pot dealing neighbors to get revenge. I still think that's rather [redacted].

You seem to think that it's the pot dealer who is receiving the noise complaint from the non-pot dealer, so I guess we are looking at this from different angles.

Though yes, I would also appreciate a heads up if I was being too loud. I like to give my neighbor my phone number so they can call/text me if I'm making a ruckus.

I have received a noise complaint from my landlord who lives next to me before, but troopers never came to my door. It was just a piece of paper taped on my door the next morning, which I examined and then heeded accordingly.

 

[Farm Boy]

Dealer? You don't have to be dealing to be consuming, and it's the consuming that tends to smell instead of dealing.

 

[CaptainF]

Dealer? You don't have to be dealing to be consuming, and it's the consuming that tends to smell instead of dealing.

True, but I don't tend to tell people IRL, including my neighbors, that I smoke, and I don't currently live in a place where neighbors can smell me smoking, so if someone serves me a noise complaint, I would assume that it's because I'm being obnoxious late at night, not because my neighbor disapproves of my smoking.

I certainly wouldn't assume they are trying to get me arrested, but I wouldn't have anything to worry about in regards to that due to where I live, since simple possession is not even a crime.

And while pot dealing in and of itself doesn't generate odor, in my experience most pot dealers that sell out of their home always have at least one other customer hanging around smoking up, maybe as the dealer's treat. This makes sense, because it's suspicious to have people popping in and out of your place all day long. Best to let them chill for half an hour while they get stoned, and send them on their merry way.

 

[Farm Boy]

The thing with cops investigating noise complaints is that noise complaints are boring. Non-criminal drug use is boring. But if you know what you just said, cops know what you just said, and trying to figure out if you have enough baggies or substances in your house that you can be categorized as being in distribution? Now that is more exciting. If somebody is having a party there are enough people in this country that smoke dope that I figure the odds aren't bad that somebody at that place has wacky weed or whippets or something they "shouldn't be doing." If they simply won't keep the noise to a reasonable level after being asked to, sure, an official complaint might be warranted. But in that situation they've at least had the warning shot to put their recreationals away if they don't want Barney calling for backup so he can search their place.