SHWH01 - Iroquois Tree Huggers

@gma -- My guess is that a soft burn is research at the fastest rate possible that still allows a profit (or at least breaking even).

Agree that getting ships that won't sink ASAP is vital. At the end of this age the gap between our production capacity and the AI's is going to get really wide. Need to get a foothold there before their lands are spoiled for future (Iroquois) generations.
 
@Team: Sorry for the delay. The SGOTM got a little intense last night. On the "soft burn"... I plan to do most of the research with scientists... I may bump the slider, but I intend to keep enough free cash flow for some cash rushing and short rushing. I think short rushing will be especially useful in this variant...and I don't want to limit our options by spending the treasury on research.
 
Back to my pre-flight check:

I decide to let the workers finish thier appointed tasks...

IBT - Resistance in English Walnut ends.
Silver Maple Library>Settler
Blue Palo Verde Library>Settler

Turn 1/650 AD

Workers road a recently cleared Jungle at Shagbark. Maybe roading these tiles will be a good way to "Mark" these tiles for planting trees later on.

Date Palm is one of those towns that will probably be woefully corrupt, so I spend 76g on a Temple, and I'll finish that one... selling it off after the borders expand.

Other short rushes:
72g to a Temple short-rush of Sequoia's Market.
36g to an Archer for something cultural at White Birch.
4g to a worker at Witchazel, and swap to Library.
36g to a settler short-rush of Pignut Hickory's Harbor.
36g to an archer short rush of a library at shagbark Hickory..
16g to an archer short rush of the library at Joshua Tree.
36g to a settler short rush of Cottonwood's Library.
68g to a granary short rush of Ponderosa Pine's Market.
36g to an archer short rush of Bald Cypress' Library.
36g to an archer short rush of Valley Oak's Library.
36g to an archer short rush of Palmetto's Library.
36g to a MDI short rush of Dogwood City's Library.
96g to a Granary short rush of the Court at Sumac City. Probably the last short rush there.
24g to a worker at Common Hop Tree, and swap to settler after verifying all its citizens are Iroquois.
72g on a Granary short rush of a Library at Lodgepole Pine.

We're actually making a little uncorrupted gold at English Walnut... rush a worker and swap to Library. Swap Date Palm to Library. Swap Coconut Palm back to Aqueduct...and we could build an even more profitable fishing village there. Short rush a Mounted Warrior into it.

I hired a scientist somewhere to shave a turn off Theology. Now at 809g+162gpt, Theology in 16.

IBT - a Barb Galley sinks attacking a galley near our capitol.

Turn 2/660 AD

841g+157gpt, Theology in 15.

Do some worker stuff... a scouting Galley has met the Hittites. We are up Republic, Monotheism, and Feudalism on Mursilis. He's nearly broke, with a single shilling to his name.

Cabbage Palm founded with our Spanish Settler.

Rushes/Short Rushes this turn:
72g on a Library short rush of Sequoia's Market. We'll now get that market before the city grows.
36g on a settler short rush of the Library at White Birch.
36g on a Barracks short rush of the Harbor at Pignut Hickory.
36g on a settler short rush of the Library at Shagbark Hickory.
36g on an archer short rush of Common Hop Tree's Settler.
36g on an archer short rush of English Walnut's Library.
28g on a settler short rush of the Library at Joshua Tree.
36g on a MDI short rush of the Library at Cottonwood.
68g on a Library short rush of the Market at Ponderosa Pine.
36g on a settler short rush of Palmetto's Library
76g on a Granary towards Dogwood City's Library.

@SimpleMonkey: Sequoia will be a good place to practice my short rushing techniques. It needs a library, but it needs a market more. It's producing good gold, but we're working a lot of coastal tiles to get it. White Birch may need a harbor.

IBT - I see a red Ancient Cavalry looking like it's headed for the Hittites...might be time for a diplo check.
Tamarac finishes its Aqueduct, starts training Mounted Warriors.
Silver Birch Worker>Harbor

Turn 3/670 AD

Spend 52g on an embassy with Babylon. Sure enough, that capitol is defended by Pikes.

Rushes and Shorts:
76g to complete Pignut Hickory's Harbor.
28g on a barracks short rush of Joshua Tree's Library.
108g to complete Ponderosa Pine's Market.
36g on a MDI short rush of White Birch's Library.

Red Oak is producing 28gpt with a court due next turn.

IBT - Mursilis complains of our trespassing galley.
Douglas Fir Settler>MDI
Ponderosa Pine Market>Library
Red Oak Courthouse>MDI (Now making us 33gpt)
Pignut Hickory Harbor>Library

Turn 4/680 AD

Begin the turn with 473g, +158gpt, Theology in 13.
Sumac City's Court comes in, currently making us 27gpt.

72g on Dogwood City's Library. Time to stop defecit rushing, and leave SimpleMonkey something to work with.

IBT - Barb Galleys shuffle.
Dogwood City Library>Harbor
Sumac City Court>Mounted Warrior (now making 30gpt)
Coastal Redwood Worker>Library

Turn 5/690 AD

Start with 523g, +157gpt, Theology in 12.

Babylon now knows Engineering Do NOT buy it for GPT. We do not want to feed the AI research machine in this variant.

We might not really want Chivalry in this one if we can help it.... but we can discuss as a team.

28g on a worker to short-rush Ponderosa Pine's Library.
16g on a Pike towards Bald Cypress' Library.

Aspen looks like another good candidate for a court. Rush the Galley for 40g, swap it, hire a scientist.

Somebody put a slave worker to work clearing some marsh that looks like a decent spot for a town. I've been sending more workers up there to help out.

Spend 75g on an Embassy in Chichen Itza. Smoke-Jag has Iron. I count 7 Spears and 4 Javelin Throwers defending the city.

IBT - we get a palace expansion, and I grow the palace tall, like the trees.

Turn 6/700 AD:

Spend 52g on a settler at Blue Palo Verde.
28g on an archer short rush to the library at Ponderosa Pine.
24g on a MDI short rush of the Library at Palmetto.
44g on a Granary short rush of the Library at Joshua Tree.

Drop a settler off on that island to the west.

IBT
Blue Palo Verde Settler>Market
Hittites start Sun Tzu's.

Turn 7/710

Red Mangrove founded on the Island.
Spend 60g on a Temple in Cottonwood, swap to Library.
28g on a settler into Ponderosa Pine's Library.
16g into a pike at Valley Oak for a Library.
8g into a MDI for Aspen's Court.
Spend 40g on a Pike in Tamarac, and swap to Market.

IBT - We get a cultural expansion at...
Lodgepole Pine Library>Court

Turn 8/720

Babylon and Arabia both have Theology and Engineering. We'll get 'em both next turn.

One of the advantages to self-research is that when you do get beaten to a tech you're researching, the beakers you have invested are factored into the trade. If we didn't have the Great Library, I could buy Theology from Abu for 276g. Since we have the GLib, I swap all of the scientists to Tax collectors to take our treasury from +167 to +218gpt.

Water Tupelo founded this turn.

Spend 64g on a settler in Silver Maple, and swap to Market.
16g to a settler for Common Hop Tree's Library
56g to complete Joshua Tree's Library.
108g on a Temple Short-Rush of Ponderosa Pine's Library.
24g on a worker to Blue Palo Verde's Market.

End the turn at 295g, +228gpt.

IBT - Engineering and Theology come in.
Joshua Tree Library>Court
Douglas Fir MDI>MDI
Red Oak MDI>MDI

Staghorn Sumac completes the Heroic Epic, starts a Court

Babylonians start Sistine Chapel.

Turn 9/730 AD

At Cabbage Palm I plant trees on a game tile that was marsh last turn. Chalk one up for Mother Earth.

Spend 20g on a worker for the Library at Pignut Hickory.
12g on a MDI for Shagbark Hickory's Library.
36g on a barracks short rush of Common Hop Tree's Library.
12g on a settler for English Walnut's Library

Fiddle with the specialists, and we're at 444g, +172gpt, Education in 16. Taking the Science Slider to 20% gets us Education in 10 turns at +117gpt.

Fiddling with sumac city gets us to 8spt...a funny number. Spend 8g rushing the Mounted Warrior and swap to MDI.
24g on an Archer short rush of Blue Palo Verde's market.

Scouting galley spots what may be another landmass East of Hittites.

IBT - nada

Turn 10

Something must have grown, Education is now due in 8.

Spend 56g on the Library at Ponderosa Pine.
32g on a Temple short rush of Aspen's Court.
24g on a MDI for Silver Maple's Market
24g on a Settler for Blue Palo Verde's Market.
16g to FINISH Sequoia's market.
28g on a worker for Joshua Tree's Court.

@Next better player: Priority improvements to rush along: A Library in Sequoia, Markets in Silver Maple and Blue Palo Verde. Anywhere you can pick up a "resource" tile is also helpful... for example, Cottonwood could pick up a couple of whales with a border expansion, and Joshua tree will pick up a tobacco with border growth.

Do anything you want on the resource tiles, plant trees on roaded tiles that don't have a resource. We can use the roads to keep track of tiles we need to plant, and then Seattle's Brave Warriors can trot through the woods on their spotted ponies.

The Forbidden Palace is due in Rowen Tree next turn! :banana: Things should get even better then. We do not seem to be suffering badly from corruption at all. I leave you with 346g, +113gpt, and Education due in 8.

I reccomend we go Education>Astronomy>Navigation. Prior to Navigation we may need to sign a RoP with Arabia to use one of Abu's Sea tiles for a Mayan campaign. Maya have the Great Lighthouse... if we can take and hold that we can own the seas early.

The next few sets won't be "exciting", but they'll set the stage for endgame.

Here's >>>The Save<<<
 
*cough, cough* Oh sorry something was stuck in my throat.
 
I concur that we don't want chivalry. We may get it from the GL. Let's bee-line to Mil Trad and let the AI research the upper tree. Then we take over from there and get caravels. Then we'll be in position to put cavs on our caravels.
 
@Bugs: If the team want's to bee-line for Military Tradition, then.. I don't mind. I think we may find it tough to strike the balance between gold for research and gold for upgrading units...

But if we want to go that route, let's dump the current upper-tree research now. Any Chivalry we get from the GLib ... we can build knights (slowly) and then it won't cost as much to upgrade some units to Cav.

And if somebody could test the save download I'd appreciate it.

Edit: @AK: I didn't start any pre-builds... though we've got Heroic Epic queue'd up in one of our more productive towns...that could be swapped off if there's something useful to be had.
 
RL issues. :( I haven't even opened the save yet. Unless I do a middle of the night insomnia set tonight or tomorrow, it doesn't look like I'm going to get to this until next weekend. :cry: Unless I post a turnlog in the next 48 or so, please skip me this go round. Or sooner if folks get impatient.

On Chivalry, I'd say that depends on when we want a beachhead across the big sky waters. If we want something soon just to establish a base, then we need caravels and knights. If we want to wait, we could go up the middle of the tech tree, get Navigation or Magnetism, then trade to MT for an invasion with more punch. Sooner might be better than later, as our shield gap is only going to get bigger. And I might suggest that we may have all done the MT beeline plenty of times before. Might be fun to vary it a little.
 
@SimpleMonkey: Do you want a skip or a swap? I don't mind waiting a day if you can get to it... but if you can't, there's no shame in taking a skip. (I don't mind waiting a day or two... but I'd rather not wait four...)
 
I think we already built the H.E. A pre-build for Leo'smight be nice though.
 
SimpleMonkey said:
Why, I ask, am I being forced to make sense? :lol: Consider me a skip, darn it, and with luck we'll be killing Mayans when the game comes around to me next time.
With any luck? We'll be whacking somebody when it comes back to you! :devil:
 
OK, we have got to get into the habit of posting the roster a whole lot more frequently.

Bugsy - Up
Harriet
Whomper
Admiral
Scout
Monkey-Man

I have it.
 
SimpleMonkey said:
Um, if Sir Bugs, amazingly overtasked musician, takes his ten today, I could do a swap and play after he does, tonight or tomorrow. Is this kosher with all concerned?
It's fine with me. If I follow you, just be sure to leave a clear trail of bread crumbs for me to follow so I know where you were headed. I get lost easily. :p
 
@SimpleMonkey: Consider it a swap. Pick it up after Bugs, and have fun with it.

One BPT (beer per turn) to the player who lands us in the Mayan lands with enough troops to take something and keep it.
 
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