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[Mumpulus]

If we can't get our own iron soon, I'd trade for it. And we'll need feudalism to get to gunpowder. So we may also continue that research. There are 4 turns in it for 12 beakers in total at this point. That's not much, so we may also switch. If we switch, I feel it shouldn't be for lack of iron, but because we think we may get some trade value out of it. I doubt that though. I would rather continue on feudalism to make it cheaper. We also need to find the other continent for trading purposes.

 

[I. Larkin]

I don' t think Iron will help us much. May be a little at Feudalism, but not now. More important not let Spain have it.
Well, If we start Feo let's continue, I only mention, that Eng as "quasi-monopoly" and Trebuchets could have more sense. Let Ignas decide swich to Eng or not.

 

[Mumpulus]

Yes, I would also be fine to try for a quasi-monopoly on Engineering, but I fear that by the time we get it, most AIs will already have it. It's very surprising as it is, that they don't already have it, but they are probably close. I think it would be a waste to switch.

And I agree that we don't need iron now, only when we get Feudalism. But we'll probably still need to trade for it then.

 

[I. Larkin]

But we'll probably still need to trade for it then.

What for? To give France or Russia extra money? Or loose reputation if trabe route breaks? Or you mean well after? Also not sure: if we simply brings Armies and make RoP rape...

 

[Mumpulus]

I don't think it will be feasible to take the GLib without better units. And I don't think we'll be able to hold on in wars until we self-research to better units. So an alternative is to go the peaceful tour until we get the required techs for better (gunpowder) units? Or do you see a way to obtain a native source of iron sooner? I think the closest iron is pretty far away?

 

[ignas]

Was out of town for a day. Will play now and post save in a few hours.

Will keep shortrushing MW's, MM, blocking trade so Spain won't get iron.
Will keep scientist on Feud, it's SID and AI's should get Engineering soon

 

[I. Larkin]

trade Horses to Japan

 

[ignas]

Managed just 4 turns tonight,will finish rest tomorrow. Razed 2 towns. Look at Ganogeh, 2 Spanish galleys came out of the fog and unloaded MI/horse.
Russia just got Engineering

Save is at a beggining of new turn.

 

[I. Larkin]

Managed just 4 turns tonight,will finish rest tomorrow. Razed 2 towns. Look at Ganogeh, 2 Spanish galleys came out of the fog and unloaded MI/horse.
Russia just got Engineering

Save is at a beggining of new turn.

Good progres at west and east, + defence south. Hopefully archers will defend Ganogeh, if not abonden it. Repeat again

trade Horses to Japan

, it will give us 44 + better Japan activity. May be an idea not to raze Toledo for better accsess to Madrid + gems, but don't know flip probability. As I see now no Iron trade. Good.

 

[I. Larkin]

I don't think it will be feasible to take the GLib without better units. And I don't think we'll be able to hold on in wars until we self-research to better units. So an alternative is to go the peaceful tour until we get the required techs for better (gunpowder) units? Or do you see a way to obtain a native source of iron sooner? I think the closest iron is pretty far away?

Slightly disagree. "Better units" with Iron is MI, with 4 a.s. But it costts 4/3 more then MW. We only need one strike and defensive war after. As TheRat mention Salpeter may help. I think we have to finish Spain "as it is", and, probably after Japan and overseas visit we will think about TGL and NW defense.

 

[ignas]

50AD: shortrush a bit; MM some towns for more food

IT: Russians vs Persians fighting; kill MI on defence; Babylon completes Leo's Workshop

70AD: kill some units near NF; approach Zaragoza;

IT: renew ROP with Persians; lose 2 units on defence;

90AD: kill 4 spears in Dariush Kabir and raze the town; ethnic cleansings near NF; capture Zaragoza with a loss of elite MW;

IT: Japan and Persia signs peace;

110AD: short rushing a bit; kill some Spanish units

IT: Egypt demands Currency, refuse but they don't declare; 2 spanish galleys came out of the fog and landed MI/horse

130AD: we have 3 reg archers and vet MW to deal with horse and MI: firstly attack with reg archer, lose but take 2hp from VetMI; VetMW vs VetHorse->VetMW4/4; reg archer vs 2/4MI->lose, MI 2/5; archer3/3 vs MI2/5->we win flawlessly
give horses to Japan for 44 gold

IT: lose 2 spears and MW; Spain unloads a horse at the same place near Ganogeh

150AD:now all 3 advanced AI civs have Engineering; found 2 towns;
kill some units and approach Toledo to attack next turn;
lose 5/5 hp MW to a 1/3 pike, also 3/5 MW to a 2/3 archer on the grass

IT: pikemen/horse landed near Ganogeh;

170AD: barely deal with invaders near Ganogeh;
take Toledo

IT: 3 resistors quelled in Toledo

190AD: Japan has Republic now;
raze size 12 Pamplona in the west and get 5 slaves; kill 6 units and raze size 7 Vitoria; capture size 6 Murcia and Spain has horses no more;
Spain has just 4 cities now; turn on governor in Toledo

IT: 3 more resistors caught in Toledo and the main thing is that 3 armies healed in Toledo;

210AD: Egypt has Republic;
kill undefended settler near Madrid with Army; armies approach Madrid to attack next turn

IT: Persia and Spain sign peace;
one pike leaves Madrid!; kill galley on defence;
resistance in Toledo ends; also ends in Murcia

230AD: found a town where Vitoria used to be;
kill 7 pikes in Madrid but it still holds, armies are yellow-lined;

IT: Toledo flips to Spain, we lose gems, one town riots but prevent others from rioting

250AD: kill 4 VetSpears in Madrid and RAZE it with Pyramids,ToA,TGL intact;
move units towards Toledo to retake it; units, including catapults towards Barcelona;
found Oka in the west

We are up to 42MW's, 15 Spears.

Watch Spanish galley in the south.

It seems tech pace is faster on the other continent as Leo's Workshop has been built. With Lighthouse we should find other continent soon.

Maybe switch to Republic? Egypt has it, but lacks Currency and Construction.

France, Persia and Russia are up all first tier MA techs and Republic. Japan up Republic. Spain up Mono and Feud, will give Mono for peace.

I think better to kill off Spain (to reduce flip chances).

What about futre?What to research? Towards cavalry?
When to Moscow?

 

[I. Larkin]

1 ) think better to kill off Spain (to reduce flip chances).

2) What about futre?What to research? Towards cavalry?
3) When to Moscow?

Sure, Madrid is so valuble that no reason to risk flips. Rep also has some value, but not that much.
2) Why not, though I think it does not matter.
3) Good question. May be after Japan?

 

[ThERat]

great progress

I agree that we need to take out Spain to ensure no more flips. Madrid will be really valuable for us.

As for the GLib, we should try and get chivalry and then go after Moscow (of course that will hit our reputation a lot). Taking out Japan first before that to give us a real big chunk of the land. We should start to improve our core with markets as well.

Who is up?

 

[Mumpulus]

I. Larkin - Up
TheRat - On deck
Mumpulus
Elear - skipped, last activity april 17th
Ignas - just played

 

[I. Larkin]

Played 5 turns. On turn 4 290 AD Spain is a history.
My advise to trade Horses was bad, acctually. Japan dont want to declare.
Say "looking forward to see you" adain and remove... Any tips?
Continue tomorrow...

we should try and get chivalry and then go after Moscow

Disagree with that. Normally people avoid Chivalry playing Iroquise, as 2 MWs stronger than Knight.
I think 30 MW take Moscow without problem with RoP rape.

 

[ThERat]

well, then we take Moscow with MW though I think ROP rape is a little against the SG spirit.

With Spain gone, our culture should be great at the moment. I wouldn't go for the Glib slingshot just yet as we can gain a lot of tiles with ToA. Maybe we can attack someone else like Persia first and combine forces with others? Of course, taking out Japan is up next anyway. I wouldn't have traded horses to them as well as they can build their UU potentially.

 

[Mumpulus]

I also don't like the idea of a ROP rape, so why don't we just attack the Russians? They're closest to us now.

I guess we'll just have to wait a few turns before we get back to the Japanese. They won't be a factor now anyway.

 

[I. Larkin]

I did not thought about SG spirit. Really to break through Knighs and Pikmens up to Moscow is a tough. I think 100+ MWs can do that. So if team decides "no RoP rape" lets try to make a plan. I think we have to do thay before Nationalism.

Please, look at that: I did calculation of corruption to see where to put Corthouses and If yes what first market or Corthouse.
Result I got is VERY different from CIV assist II. I use NOP=23 and size of the map 128. Looks, that is is our case, but why such a big difference?

If my calculation correct major Spanish Cities may work only as specialsist farm.
Edit:
I checked and calculations are correct and CIVassist2 wrong.
Probably after Japan removed we may consider Palas Jump to North Kyoto area.

 

[I. Larkin]

0 250*AD ""*Change production a bit. We do not need more settlers, but better to have larger Cities, especially in core. Check if it is reasonable to switch to Republic. Not yet. Also E ask too much for that. Persia at war with E and agrees to pay 380 for MA. Ask all money: 442 and pay 4 gpt for MA vs Egypt. Short rush smth.
IBT Russian stack moves to Ergili.
1 260*AD ""*Regroup*troops, take Toledo back. Fight ibt Madrid and Toledo. Take one army out of Madrid, just in case. Pull Catapults to Barseloona.
IBT Persia and Egypt make peace (ha – ha). Russian Capture Ergeli (bad). Spain pillages gold near Toledo. French starts Bachs. Persia captures Orenburg.
2 270*AD ""* Russia have extra Iron and may trade with Spain. Ask all her gold 922 for MA vs Spain and 99 gpt. Hopefully war will not be long. Capture Barselona. Killed S/Sp Spanish couple at ruines. Brought own settler to this position.
IBT Spain archer died vs e spear. Spain Galley at North died vs our reg galley (promoted). Unload Horse at south tundra. Russian stack proudly return north.
3 280*AD "" Capture Santjago without Catapults, 2 Armies killed reg picks, and the rest was spears. Moved MWs to Sevilia but in case to return to Toledo. Moved all Catapults to Madrid, as Army goes to Sevilia.
IBT Hard IBT. Madrid flipped and after first riot checked all Cities IBT to adjust vs riots. Ergeli flipped back to Persia. (ha-ha, AIs also suffer from flips…).
4 290*AD ""*Recapture Madrid, Capture Sevilia. Before last Archer gone make MA with France (Embassy in Paris) for Iron and 55 gpt. Upgrade Warriors to swords.
IBT Persia captured Magadan. Palace expanded. Japans Horses go…
5 300*AD ""* asked Japan “remove or declare”. They removed.
IBT Japan horses moved in. Massive border expassion. Palace improved.
6 310*AD "" Asked Japans to remove leaving City “undefended”. They removed. (Grrr…). As we decided “no RoP rape” we need a plan. Like Concentrate near Yakutsk and strike to Krasnoyarsk – Moscow. So may be to send some army there in advance? An keep Yakutsk Persian?
IBT Russian Persian fight near Yakutsk.
7 320*AD "" Rush some improvements. Send galleys to suicide mission.
IBT all three Galeeys survive!! (Good news). Russians captured Yakutsk. (Bad news.)
8 330*AD "" 2 Galleys reach Germans safe water! Germany trade Republic and 10 for Constr and Curr! Germans pick Mono as result. Embassy in Leipzig(?). Obviously Germans suffer from wars and “backward.” As Japans do not want to declare I surrounded there stack and decided not to let “spears on mountains”. Got an idea to settle on Silk IBT Magadan and Orenburg. Rushed Galley and settler.
IBT Russian-Persia fight. Japans go…
9 340*AD "" Send Army to Moscow district. Decided to build a road to prepare invasion. Calculated that Rpublic better. Make Peace with Egyptians. Trade Spices for Construction. Trade Incenses from Russians for Gems and 24 gpt. (Sorry if did something wrong again…). Rushed 2 Markets. Revolt. Got 8 turns Anarchy. Not kidding now… Met Romans. They above 3 Ma techs and may be more. East Galley reach safe water and met English! Embassy in London. Many English Cities Captured by Celts. (Idea of Great Wales come true… ) Border near London now.
IBT France starts Magellan.
10 350*AD "" Galleys moved around new continent. See Babylon’s and Celt’s border. No need to suicide missions as we will see all nations at the planet next turn. We may trade WM from France (why not? And get some gold.)
Galley sails to Silk. Idea is settle to silk and connect with Orenburg. If Persian’s border expands settle on hills and road silk. On Republic 5 Lux are good. Another interesting idea is to make City near FRESH WATER LAKE with WHALS. Have you ever seen this in nature? It will be good supply route if we capture Peterburg and will fight near Moscow.

 

[ThERat]

hmm.. what a nice set I will face with entire anarchy...are we ready for a war with Russia right now?