SID on pangaea

[ignas]

Played 6 turns: we've lost reputation when Brandenburg flipped to Germans (saltpeter that we were exporting was near Brandenburg).

Got a leader, razed a town, captured Lisht and founded one new town.
We will have furs and iron in 2 or 3 turns. Offensive is easy as I mainly follow Persian stack of 80 units (mainly knights).

Learned Metallurgy and swapped it for Physics with Germans. Researching MT.

We are getting war happinness from Mongols (they declared when i asked to leave our territory).

Will finish turns in a day or two.

And a screenshot in the beggining of turn 7

 

[I. Larkin]

Played 6 turns: we've lost reputation when Brandenburg flipped to Germans (saltpeter that we were exporting was near Brandenburg).

Do you know if our MA reputation also gone? We are still at war with Inca, so? To check ask somebody who knows Babylon if they agree to go MA for gpt? vs Mongols say. [just to check...]

 

[ignas]

Fortunately MA reputation is OK

 

[I. Larkin]

Any progress so far?

 

[ignas]

Sorry, now finishing the turnset

 

[ignas]

Managed 8 turns:

330 AD: MM for some gold, food and shields;
Keep researching Metallurgy;
Inca will give Metallurgy for peace and 600 gold but of course we can’t make peace as we are tied with MA’s for 15 turns;
Metallurgy is worth around 45 gpt and 600 gp to buy from other AI’s;
It seems America will be destroyed soon as they are at war with top dogs and are losing some cities;

IBT: Mongols and Persia sign alliance vs Inca;
China and Persia MA vs Inca;
2 horses, a knight and LB built this turn;
Inca bomb Enkidu with trebuchet; few knights and other Incan troops approach us;

340AD: 11 (4LB’s, 2 knights, 5 pikes) Incan units can attack our towns on IBT, a stack of 10 more units just outside of our borders;
Mongols got some gold from Persia, trade Theology for 227 gold with them;
Sell WM for some gold around;
Kill 7 Incan units and lose 1; still 2 attack4 units can attack us next turn;
Gather intelligence about Inca’s movement with explorer – see 2 pikes and a knight at least coming next turn;

IBT: we kill 1 attacking knight and lose a musket in Incan attack (8-2);
Incan knight unloaded near Sumer;
Some of Inca’s approaching units turn back
Settler and a horsemen produced this turn;

350AD: WW hits, raise lux to 50% and still have to employ some clowns;
Lose horse to Incan knight near Sumer(no damage inflicted), decide to cover towns and units that knight can reach instead of attacking. Rush a treb, LB nearby, next turn 2 more horses will be produced in that area.
We go 3-1 this turn with attacks(11-3 total), capture the infamous Incan trebuchet that was bombarding us;
Scout a bit and slowly advance to Incan territory;
Trade WM around, get a profit of 100 gold

IBT: kill LB and lose horse on defence (12-4);
2 Settlers. 2 horses, treb and a knight produced this turn;
Big stack of Incans approaching forests near Brandenburg

360AD: Americans lost a town with harbour but still trade route is intact;
kill Incan knight near Sumer with a loss of LB;
Raze Incan Caxamalca (14-5)

IBT: around 40 Persian knights approach Lisht;
Brandenburg flips to Germans

370AD: PC crashes, reload from autosave;
Kill 4 units capturing Lisht and get a leader in process;
Notice WW has struck again;
Trade WM for a few coins;
Notice 2 Mongolian galleys are in uor territory, we need happiness – make them furious and insist to leave our territory – they declare war;
Lower lux signing few clowns because of new source of War Happinnes;
Notice our reputation is lost when we lost Brandenburg with the only source of saltpetre which we were trading;
Kill 2 more Incan knights in the open (20-5);
Make a 3 knight army with a leader;

IBT: lose horse and explorer on defence (20-7);
Babs and America sign peace;

380AD: kill injured Incan musket and eliminate a stack of 8 units, kill 2 knights in the open without losses (31-7);

IBT: Germany and Russia sign MPP;
3hp horse kills Incan knight on defence (32-7)
Metallurgy->Military Tradition;
Trade Metallurgy for Physics with Germans

390AD: switch research to ToG as entering IA faster is better now than getting cavs (we need railroads, mobilization and riflemen);
Bomb and kill Incan pike 33-7;

IBT: Mongols and America sign peace;

400AD: found a town near furs, lower lux tax;
Kill 3 units in Chuito and raze the town (36-7);
Found a town where Chuito used to be and we have iron;
Bomb and kill 2 Incan pikes on the open but lose a knight (38-8);

IBT: Mongolian galleys sailing around

410AD: Germans have ToG;


Kill Incan pikemen and..get a leader (39-8), fortify leader in Tutub;
Peace with Germany expires in 3, MA vs Inca in 7. what to research? what to do with leader? any future vision?

THERat is up I think

 

[I. Larkin]

Peace with Germany expires in 3, MA vs Inca in 7. what to research? what to do with leader? any future vision?

THERat is up I think

Roster:
TheRat UP
Nerovats
I. Larkin
Ignas (just played).

Since trade Rep and RoP Rep lost only MA Rep remain. Sure, we will keep it as possible, so 7 turns at war vs Inca. After that we will see shall we kill them all or get something useful for peace.
Note, that Trade Rep did not 100% lost. Thouse who at war with Babs are OK to trade.
We may use trick of borrowing money in combination with MPP.

I think we will continue ToG.

In general our land build-up was very chaotic and therefore it is very difficult to compite in research with Big Dogs.

From another hand we most probably "survive" in long term so we may think how to organize things better. Palace jump? Mongols capture?

 

[ThERat]

ok, got it, let's see how the war with Inca goes...

 

[ThERat]

Pre-Turn
form an army so we can get more leaders
sell Egypt Metal for economics, 75 gold and 34gpt
China gets mono for 6gpt and 27 gold
sell Russia ivory for 33gpt

1. 420AD
take out 3 knights and take Vilcas, keep it for the moment
approach Huaras
as we have wines for a turn, we ca employ a few scientists and get ToE in 7

IT America signs peace with Maya
Mongols land 3 units in our land

2.430AD
manage to take out 2/3 units and yellow-line the third
manage to take out Haras, it's tough work
abandon Vilcas
well, we're back to 7 turns as I need to employ more scientists

IT Persia runs a ton of units through our land and starts US

3. 440AD
take out the last Mongol unit
found Dabrum to consolidate our front
as America is almost gone, sell them physics for 23 gold

4. 450AD
Egypt has saltpeter available, but we do not have Mil Trad yet, so no point for now
settle a coastal area closer to our core
rush a settler for 24 gold

IT we are lucky as Persia just fails to take Juli from Inca, they are short of killing 2 redlined units

5. 1870AD
take Juli and advance towards Huamanga
rush another two settlers for 84 gold

IT Inca and Babylon sign peace
Inca and Egypt sign peace

6. 470AD
as we could make peace now, check what Inca would give and we wouldn't even get MT
unless we pay 100gpt...
manage to take Huamanga, still no better deal
decide to sell Egypt physics for 15gpt and saltpeter

IT Persia and Babylon sign MPP and Babylon declares yet again on Inca

7. 480AD
Machu Picchu for sure will be gone next turn , check out Arequipa
sink a Mongol galley

IT as predicted, Machu Picchu os taken by Persia easily
we get ToG

8. 1876AD
WW has gone up a notch again, peace with Inca would be nice as the other will take all the land anyway
and we can't really gain from now
make peace with Inca and get magnetism for a discount of 460gold + 83gpt
we get steam as the free tech

and of course, we got NO coal
Persia has one extra resource, we can get it from them for 29gpt, we should

sell steam to Japan for medicine, 214gold and 42 gpt, sell Inca medicine for 462gold and Mil Trad
reduce lux to 10% and we can either get industry at 90% in 15 or go for min research and steal our way up
Russia and Persia have electricity and Indust, the rest is behind us in tech

take out 2 landed Keshiks
bring a settler in place to claim 2 wines next turn
I did not abandon Huamanga and Juli yet, but we should replace in those areas

stop here for discussion how to proceed

 

[nerovats]

Wow that was fast, will take good look at save in couple of hours.

 

[nerovats]

Get the coal, it's cheap.

Rush some settlers to claim the open land asap. We can rush at leat 6 this turn. That would reduce upkeap as well, and we'll earn that investment back in 5-6 turns.Could also settle north of Marad after clearing marsh.

MM cities this can be a lot more efficient.

I'd minimize research to grow forces stronger. Upgrade horses and knights.

Maybe give China iron and horses, and after a while let them join war with Mongols. Land there and claim the land from south up. Pillaging the Mongol iron will be easy.

We could use the pentagon and heroic epic.

Longer term targets Germany and Egypt. They aren't that strong.

Palace jump might help, but will take long time before it's effective, reimproving the land.

Juli might be saveable, if we starve it. could sned some obsolte inits into it. We really need to replace Hua, but will take at least 4 turn to get there. Risk is to big so we shouls abandon it now. Several other cities have small flip risks as well. May be get round of sttlers then rush some culture.

If we jump where do we go, maybe Susa? But I'm affraid it will take very long to get productive again.

 

[ThERat]

I agree with the main points, nerovats.

We can hand build the HE, in hindsight I might have rushed the pentagon with the leader, a 4th army was important too, though

 

[I. Larkin]

I think "Army now" always better then "more armies in future".
Also don't know If Pentagon really helps.
Can't look at save now, do we have Saltpeter?
When we strike Germany?

 

[nerovats]

Could attack Germany soon after upgrading to cav's. Then we should play defensive war against Mongols. Germany will give more productive land if we jump palace so might be better. Egypt will be relatively easy target after that. We have saltpeter as we are building cavs. Pentagon will be big help when we face rifles.

 

[I. Larkin]

decide to sell Egypt physics for 15gpt and saltpeter

I see...
Indeed better not to desturb Mongols much to have happy war as long as possible.

If we think about Palace jump we may do it to the foring capital that has important wonder.

It is resonable to build corthouses first at "old core".

I think Electricity -> RepPart is the most resonable route.

Agree to slow down research a bit to upgrade to cavs.

At war with Germany better bring Egypt and Persia to help. ((MA with Babylon, gift City to Babylon and their MPP will drag Persia to war).

 

[I. Larkin]

TheRat:

stop here for discussion how to proceed

I think we had some discussion... or you mean that after discussion nerovats will continue?

 

[ThERat]

ok, can finish 2 more turns, no issue, will do that now

 

[ThERat]

continue after discussion:
change research to electricity and go for cash
get the coal from Persia for 29gpt
rush 4 settlers, we also need far more workers
upgrade a horse to Cav
get 4 slaves from America for magnetism

IT Russia eliminates America

9. 500AD
found 2 cities to give us wines
Machu Picchu must have flipped as it is Inca again
abandon Huamanga
MM and rush some stuff

IT well, Incas got no chance and lose that city again

10. 510AD
nothing much happening, sending some horses/knight back for upgrading
we might want to turn research higher soon again

several settlers are soon reaching the eastern target, next turn we can replace Huamanga
you can pull the armies west to fight Germany soon.
we could rush some stuff as well, we need workers, so keep on shaving them off when we reach the growth limit

I started the HE in our capital for more leaders

we could sell Egypt a tech for 30 gpt
Russia would take wines for 40 gpt
Germany would offer us quite some cash (420) and 60gpt for steam

 

[I. Larkin]

Did you renew Ivory deal with Persia? my be not to late now...

I started the HE in our capital for more leaders

May be just Cavs and workers better

we could sell Egypt a tech for 30 gpt

Better together with MA vs Germany. [And "renegotiate peace"? not sure...]
Any ideas how to bring Babylon to War vs Germany?

Germany would offer us quite some cash (420) and 60gpt for steam

well... but we need land + own saltpeter.

Russia would take wines for 40 gpt

Why not if wine secure?

 

[ignas]

I see one easy way how to win this pretty fast:
-forget infrastructure, build just units, balance between cannons, cavs and defenders;also workers, settlers for specialist farms and increased unit support;
-go full steam for Rep Parts, we can research it I guess in 25-30 turns;
-while going for RepParts we could declare war on Germany or Egypt for some resources and territory; MOBILIZE for more shields;
-when we get Rep Parts we should have pretty big chunk of units;turn off research, upgrade units to artys and infantries, declare war on Persia and bring the world against them; Persia has 20K gold, every captured city will fund our economy nicely;

I mean all we need to win is arties and infantries and to get big numbers of them ASAP via mobilization.