SID on pangaea

[ThERat]

got it, I assume peace with Inca and then soon an attack on the Glib city? Do we really wait for 40+ horses?

 

[nerovats]

We already have 30 or so horses including the ones scattered around. Horses take 5 turns or so to get to Leipzig, so we have 4 more turns of building horses which is at least 10 more.
Thought cat's might be a good idea but they just might take to long to get there now, maybe swich back to only horses?

 

[I. Larkin]

At the save "Always renegotiate deal is ON". To keep trade reputation clean we need it "OFF". But, as our Land smaller we have to start war at 210 BC [presicely]. (7 turns from now). Cancel RoP manualy and strike. This is an idea.

 

[ThERat]

Pre-Turn
we pay 100gpt for units support...better get this war over faster, but need to wait 7 turns
we will need some money, change Ur to a market

1. 330BC
in order to save money, disband 2 curraghs that have no purpose at all

2.310BC
we have more horses, that are now on the way to Leipzig
trade some WM versus TM and so on, make 80 gold

3. 290BC
moving horses closer to Leipzig

4. 270BC
we will have around 30+ horses at Leipzig on time

5. 250BC
the market in Ur helps our situation quite a bit

6. 230BC
start some EW for the defense that we need to throw in
we will have 41 horses there next turn to attack

IT oh no, the Germans sport muskets now one turn too early

7. 1710AD
sell Russia contact with babs for 80 gold, sell to Germany as well for 55 gold
cancel the RoP and attack Leipzig
defeat a total of 3 muskets and 1 knight, lose 12 horses in the process
but we take the city

IT Germany starts to attack and kills 10+ units, Leipzig holds
however they will also get into our territory, we need to get peace as soon as we can

the GLib gives us monarchy, feudalism, engineering, theology, chivalry, invention, PP, education, gunpowder, banking, astronomy, chemistry and navigation, not that much actually

8. 190BC
WW has hit us hard as expected, we got no saltpeter...this is a toughy, salt is close but without iron and salt, this game is pretty tough

manage to defeat 3 intruder knights + 1 musket

check options and we could get wines + iron from Inca for banking
or from Japan
stop here for discussion what to do now

 

[I. Larkin]

Looked at sav. So far so good. I think, there is no reason to hold Leipzig. Better to gift it to Persia. (They will not benefit from TGL). Edit:(all who have edu also, so Inca also OK). I have in mind future MA vs Germany.
We may take Iron + Silk from Japan and then wine + MA vs German from Inca. We may borrow money from Russia as much as we need to upgrade our Horses to Knights.
If one feels that War is difficult we may just trade with Japan and make peace as soon as possible.

 

[ThERat]

of course we should gift the city away, maybe we gift it to someone before Germany in the rotation so that our horses get booted and we can keep them...it would be a pity to lose so many of them.

How about research? we don't have the infrastructure to have proper research yet, should we go for min research?

 

[I. Larkin]

maybe we gift it to someone before Germany in the rotation so that our horses get booted and we can keep them...

Sure, and I think NOW.

How about research? we don't have the infrastructure to have proper research yet, should we go for min research?

Agree with that. We need money to upgrage Horses to Knights.
It would be nice to take Brandeburg for Dyce and Salpeter.

 

[ThERat]

I agree with gifting the city to Inca, they are before Germany in the rotation and thus, our unis would get the boot. I would not sign an alliance as we need peace pretty soon, bu we should get Brandenburg for the resources.

I am leaving for Germany this weekend for a whole month and can' continue from the save, apologies

 

[ignas]

I won't be able to play for a week or so either.

Everything looks good. We should gift Leipzig to Inca's and then sue for peace ASAP.
Then let's hope we can upgrade sufficient number of horses to knights and then go to kill some AI's for territory and techs...

 

[nerovats]

Will go to Germany for a couple of days and will be back tuesday.
Been very buisy so haven't posted much, hope this will improve soon.

 

[I. Larkin]

If Ignas skeep/swap I am up. As I told we may borrow money and upgrade as many knights as we want. will think about MA.

 

[I. Larkin]

Played 3 turns so far. Need advise what to do next.
Made 3 MAs vs Germany.
I think abonded Stuttgart, but may be gift it to somebody?
And Brandenburg: it fall easer than I thought. May be leave it for some time?

 

[Mumpulus]

lurker's comment: Could you guys also occasionally post some pictures to keep us lurkers happy? I think the last picture was posted by Rat back on page 3, long before the current war effort. This game is pretty hard to follow at this point. And unfortunately I don't have any chance to open up saves these days. Thanks.

 

[nerovats]

This look very well.
I'd raze stutgart or give it, but to whom? Maybe Japan as well, later capture it Together with Leipzig, sue for peace before they can counter attack?

 

[I. Larkin]

Played 9+1/2 turns and now "trilemma". Americans while ago cancel MA vs Germany and now at war vs Russia, Japan and Inca. They have Saltpeter to trade.
I have pillaged Germans Salpeter.
Manage to connect our Saltpeter near Brandeburg. WW now up 50-60%. We may trade Salpeter to Inca for 433 gold. And trade Saltpeter + Ins+14 gpt from America for Banking, say. Risk is that Bradengurg will flip and we will loose our Reputation.
Another option is to bring Americans to MA vs Germany. But WW is too high.
Third option is do nothing, just trade Ins + 14gpt.

 

[ignas]

I'd say Option 3: we won't lose our rep that early (reputation is very important on SID!)and WW won't kill us.
Also pictures would be very handy, I can't access my civ3 computer for a few days also.

 

[I. Larkin]

I'd take a "risk". Probability that Brandeburg flips just 1%.
Trade Saltpeter to Inca and borrow money from Russia. Just in case.
Trade Salpeter+Ins+ gpt from America for Banking.
Fourth option is just pillage our Salpeter and trade from America

Edit Inca also at war with Egypt.

 

[I. Larkin]

0 190*BC ""*"Borrow money from Russia 900 for 50 gpt.
Trade Iron+Silk for Banking from Japan. Trade Wine + MA vs Germany from Inca for Banking. Make embassy in Thebes, Persipolis and Washington. Bring Egypt and America to war vs Germany for Printing Press. Gifted Leipzig to Japan. Upgrade some horses to Knights. Send rest to front. Move troops toward Brandeburg.
Arrange some Explores.

IBT German contra- attack at BBurg. America made peace with Egyptians.
1 170*BC ""*" Pull troops to attack Stuttgart.
IBT German Caravels sail to Ur. Kisurra riots.

2 150*BC ""*"Capture Stuttgart and Brandeburg "
IBT German Caravels sail to Ur.
3 130*BC " Found Kutha to attack Dortmund and Munich. (to optimistic).
IBT German Caravels sail to Ur. GA over but we have +18 gpt.
4 110*BC ""*Block landing near Ur
IBT German Caravels sail back.
5 90*BC ""*"
IBT Japan declare to America
6 70*BC ""*"Borrow money from Russia 360 for 20 gpt"
IBT zzz
7 50*BC ""*" Block landing near Ur. Knight and Explorer squeeze to Lisht. Bought 2 Workers from America. Renew Ivory deal with Persia.
IBT Russia Declare to America. America make peace with Germany, asked for MA vs Russia (No), Russia starts Shakespeare, Persia Smith. Inca hold Lisht vs Germany, but it was close. Knight and Explorer survive. Inca Reject RoP. Umma riots.
8 30*BC " explorer come to Pi-Ramses to pillage saltpeter.
IBT RoP with Egyptians. Got BOOt from Inca.
9 10*BC ""*"Pillage Salpeter. Got Leader and made Army. Try to attack Dortmund but face Knights on Caravell.
IBT zzz
10 -10*BC ""* Capture Dortmund, Sell improuvments. But we may try to hold it. Germany has no Iron/Saltpeter. After Flip it will be only spear. We may retake or raze. Egyt Explorer may continue pillaging but return to safety place. As I said, we may trade saltpeter to Inca and get Lux + Salpeter +gpt from America. Good idea to build Lib in Brandeburg with forest cut to reduce flip risk.

 

[nerovats]

Kisarra to settler, not productive and want to replace Dortmund (high flip risk)
Give Americans Banking we get incense WM 14 gpt 2 gold and RoP
get 1008 gold for 56 gpt from russia
Upgrade chariot
rush court in Umma then change back to market
Short rush Knight in Agade
No powder to trade
IBT Babylon and Inca sign pact against Germany
30 AD
just healing
50 AD
Kish, Umma market->knight
Marad harbor->duct
Send troops to Munich
IBT
Mongls and Inca sign against Egypt
Inca and Egypt sign peace
70 AD
Kill 3 muskets and 1 LB lose 1 knight and take Berlin
Sell ivory for 195 gold to America
IBT Russians establish an embassy
90 AD
Settle Nagsu
110AD
Kill some LB's send units towards New Berlin
IBT Russians start Newton
130AD
sell ivory to Russia for 600gold
IBT
Mongols and Russia sign against America
150AD
Pillage German horse
Take New Berlin without losses
Settle Susa->settler
IBT
German LB lands next to Bad-tibara
Munich flips
170AD
settle Tutub->settler
Move units to take Munich back and attack Hamburg
rush some extra horses
Kill the landes LB
IBT Inca take Munich
190AD
Army is near Hamburg
IBT Germany and Russia sign against America
. .. .. .. . forgot to abandon New Berlin
210AD
Take Hamburg send forces to New Berlin
Hamburg most be abandoned or given away.
Maybe we should rush even more settler to claim the open territoy.
Also think we should make peace next turn (after destroying new Berlin ofcourse, WW is 60% or so
I'd conquer the island first and go max on research to get cavs from now on.

View attachment SidPangea,210 AD.SAV

 

[I. Larkin]

Why you did not trade salpeter to Inca? But probably it is OK.