SID on pangaea

[ThERat]

agree, that is what we could do, bu first we need to know whether we have rubber...or who has that, then we can talk about the big plan

for now, I would go after Germany once we got enough cavalry, which is soon the case.

 

[ignas]

I won't be concerned about rubber. We will control about 400-500 tiles when Germany or Egypt or both are conquered so it's almost 100% we will have the needed resource - rubber.

 

[I. Larkin]

Basically the question is: what we want more now 62 gpt from Germany or solid salpeter + land?
My worry is that we still have ww from Germany and it will slow down our research if we start war now.
From another hand if Persia will stay at Peace long time it rans awy to Morden soon.

 

[ignas]

We should take on Germany because we can easily conquer them. 20 turns of peace has passed so there should be no WW?...Need to dig in Military Academy probably.
I think we can conquer both Germany and Egypt while going for Replaceable Parts and from then with heavy artillery using others.

 

[I. Larkin]

I read somwhere that 37 turns need to foget WW. But probably you right, the faster the better. We may ask China to "help" and take New Berlin back. Do we want MAs vs Germany?
My plan was Egypt + Babylon than Persia via MPP with Babylon. It will be enough to kill Germany.
BTW, nerovats up.

 

[nerovats]

Got it, Germany it is.

 

[nerovats]

We'll, started war on Germany, but they had MPP with Russia. Now should we sign pacts against them both or not? Egypt will sign for medicine, Persia want both wines and ivory. Together they should keep Russia buisy while we take out Germany. I would favour this but want to hear from team as I can't continue much longer today anyway.
View attachment Gilgamesh of the Sumerians, 540 AD.SAV

 

[ignas]

MA's are not great as we will be forced to war for at least 20 turns and WW which is guaranteed when warring long will hurt our research capabilities. But there's no other choice as Russia is one of the top dogs and will sign other tribes against us with techs or gpt if we won't sign against them.
I'd strongly reccomend to mobilize now.

 

[I. Larkin]

If anybody attack Germany they got punch from Russia as result of MPP.

My idea was to drag Babylon and got Persia (for free) at war via their MPP with Persia.

AFAIK we need Nationalism for Mobilisation.

 

[nerovats]

I'll try Babylon before Persia, but we need help against Russia. Egypt and Persia should be enough, but if we can get Persia for free trough Babylon it's a plus.
Will continue tomorrow.

 

[I. Larkin]

I'll try Babylon before Persia, but we need help against Russia. Egypt and Persia should be enough, but if we can get Persia for free trough Babylon it's a plus.
Will continue tomorrow.

Essential step is the "gift" to Babylon a German City that Germany can attack.
That will grag Persia. Then Mpp Germany - Russia will drag Persia vs Russia.

 

[I. Larkin]

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[nerovats]

So sign MA with Babylon, keep next German city, move out, sell stuff and give to Babylon. Next turn Germans take city back, and thus Persia will be at war too. I'll never learn these things.

 

[I. Larkin]

So sign MA with Babylon, keep next German city, move out, sell stuff and give to Babylon. Next turn Germans take city back, and thus Persia will be at war too. I'll never learn these things.

Exactly... Actually my favorite period of the game: manipulating AI stupidity...

 

[nerovats]

Pre turn
Sell Chinese Theology for 12gold, 12 gpt and WM
Change Nagsu to explorer to pillage German horses
MM some cities
Sell Egypt ToG for 30 gpt
drop science to upgrade horses
Send armies and cavs to Brandenburg
IBT
Juli flips back
520AD
Some upgardes, and movement
up science to 50% again
530AD
units in place, science to 70%
IBT
Mongols land several units
Katulla flips to Germans
540AD
Try to make Germany declare,
but they won't
Declare myself, pillage horse, raze Munich, take Brandenburg and Katulla
Germany had MPP with Russia they declare at us.
Settle new Sumer,New Lagash
Get MA vs Germany with Egypt for ivory and 10gpt
MA with Babylon for 23gpt and some gold
abondon Babil as we can't hold it.
IBT
Persian destroy juli
We lose new Ur and barely keep Wines
Russia and Japan team up against us
550AD
kill lot of stray Germans lose 2 cavs
auo raze the new founded Dortmund
we get 20% WW science down to 40%
IBT
Egypt signs MA with Japan and declare on us, trators
Lose 2 cities to russians and Egyptians. They got her fast
Mongols and Germans land units
560AD
Now we lost income and ran negative on gold, lose rax in Bad Tibara
Settle Babil, New Lagash and new Ur
We have no choice now, can't wait to get other German city so sign MA with Persia against Germany for ivory
Kill Mongols, the german landing can only pillage, get them next turn
IBT
Inca and Persia sign peace
Persians attack Germans and thus Russia declares on Persia
Inca are gone
Mongols land 2 more keskik
Babylon declares on Russia
570AD
Ajshak uni->rax
rush settler to re-claim furs
Kill all landers
Rearange troops, as Persia will controll north now.
IBT
3 Japanese cavs show up next to Wines, but fortunatly can't attack anymore
Japan declares on Babylon
Japan declares on Persians
580AD
Settle New Kish, reclaim furs, settle New Umma
Clear japanese in North.
Take Bremen, just 3 muskets were in it.
rush 2 more settlers
IBT
Russians land rifle and knight
590AD
Kill the landers
Take a musket out of Salzburg, it's just 1, rest is pikes, claim Salzburg
sell ivory to Babylon for 21gpt
Bremen has 24-40% flip risk to abandon it.
Settle New Bad-tibira
IBT
Mongols declare on Persia
China declares on Babylonians
600AD
Take Bonn get a leader, create cav army
IBT
not much
610AD
Take Berlin, there are some wonders including Sun Tzu and could generate some gold, keep it for now.
settle New Agade
We don't pay unit support anymore and got an extra army.
WW is not that bad, lost some units and cities during start but have done ok since then. So it's slowely climbing.
37% right now. Germans could be gone in 5 or 6 more turns or so. Then WW should be gone. Sun Tzu is worth keeping,
ao I'd leave it empty, if it flips we retake it last. Have tried to fill in gaps with settlers. Also prioritize
railing, first to get backbone of rails to every city, now at front and near cities to get them to 16 or 20 spt.
Don't know if we still get WH from Mongols but they will pay over 100 gold for peace, China will also pay for tech.
And Persia as well for wines. Have checked (almost) every turn for that but now they appear to have gold.
Mext turnset should finish Germans and maybe even Egypt. We only have MA's against Germany, so cab make peace with
others after finishing them.

View attachment Gilgamesh of the Sumerians, 610 AD.SAV

 

[ignas]

Looks not that bad from the write up. Definitely we need to keep Berlin.
Will look at save a bit later.

I.Larkin is up

 

[ThERat]

very fine progress

looks like we can hold on to the AI onslaught, we only need to hope Persia doesn't get too big in the progress

 

[I. Larkin]

Played 1/2 of preturn. We may make MPP with Persia and the pay some gpt for that.

Do we want to? It may drag them to war vs Egypt and Japan, but I am not sure about MPP reputation: how long we should stay at war?

I don't think that Persia will be too strong, my worry opposite, that Russia will kick Persia badly.

 

[ThERat]

MPP's are a sure way to destroy any reputation we still have. By the way, I opened the save and had a look, MM could be improved to speed up growth in the science farms. It's one of the most powerful tools we have.

 

[nerovats]

No Persia is at war with lots of civs, and is likely to loose. I'd just take Germany and Egypt. Then depending on how other wars work out, try to keep peacefull until arties.