Sixty Five Civilizations

[Superkrest]

the exact reason given why canada isnt good..is why i dont think us is good either...once again...NATIVE CIVS FOR NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA

 

[Evie]

And I already said - if I have to chose between NATIVES and EUROPEAN civs for North America, it's natives all the way.

All I'm saying is, IF you do include european civs for North America, trying to use the modern-day countries is just plain silly.

 

[Superkrest]

ohh..ok..the only time i think we should see them is if civil wars or uprisings are included ....it would be cool to see break away england become america,australia,etc.

 

[civilleader]

Kerala as a separate civ? Pakistan or Sri Lanka makes more sense to put as a different civ for S Asia.

 

[Pounder]

It would be great if civil wars were implemented to have secondary civs sitting in the wings like Quebec, Us Confederates, Basques, Pakistan, etc.....

Civs that are not selectable at the beginning of the game, but would appear after revolutions or civil wars.

 

[Illuminatiscott]

that sounds interesting...not playable, per se, but they appear in standard games... I like that. There could be one for each civilization, as follows....
America/Confederates
Arabs/Saracens
Aztecs/Tlaxcala
China/Taiwan
Egypt/Nubia
England/Scotland
France/Burgundy
Germany/Austria
Greece/Minoans
Inca/Nazca
India/Nepal
Japan/ Korea
Mali/Ethiopia
Mongolia/Astrakhan
Persia/Turks
Rome/Byzantium
Russia/Ukraine
Spain/Portugal

 

[CrazyMrLeo]

All I'm saying is, IF you do include european civs for North America, trying to use the modern-day countries is just plain silly.

I disagree. America was included in the game because of its tremendous contribution to the modern world, but all of those contributions were made as a single political entitiy. Neither California nor the Confederacy sent troops to Europe during WWII. The entire United States of America did.

No one is claiming that the modern countries are homogenous states, but they are the only states we've ever had. Yes, there are cultural differences between the Yukon and Newfoundland, and California is a far cry from Vermont, but these differences are far less significant when considered globally. I mean, Catalonia and Andalusia are culturally different, but Spain is still a civ. Karelia and Yakutia are culturally different, but Russia is still a civ.

 

[Hemlige Arne]

Please in the future stop trying to pollute your posts with irrelevant facts that prove nothing except that you are a seperatist who scorn any and all help th rest of canada has given quebec.

Yes. I think the Quebecois do prove that they indeed ARE different by being so stubborn. Everyone else on the planet realizes that Quebec being an independent country would look crazy on the map as well as being a bad idea to begin with. Only someone of french decent could be so conceded as to even consider it...

Moderator Action: Please show a little more respect and keep the thread on track. Warned.
-Civrules

 

[Hemlige Arne]

the exact reason given why canada isnt good..is why i dont think us is good either...once again...NATIVE CIVS FOR NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA

Yes! But every time I say this, the americans get really offended... But what about the native civs? Wouldn't they be offended. Anyway as long as firaxis keep civ modding options open we'll all be happy...

 

[Himalia]

I understand that the natives from North to South America should be included in the game and i would be disapointed if there were none. But to not have the USA as it is today would be just as daft. on a list of 65 as this topic suggests theres no chance that the USA could be omitted. What would be intresting is if a list of say only 10 was allowed. I feel that would have to be split into two lists of 10 posibley even three. Covering Ancient, Modern and erm all that is between.

 

[mastertyguy]

I disagree. America was included in the game because of its tremendous contribution to the modern world, but all of those contributions were made as a single political entitiy.

Ah! They are in civ because they are the MAIN PUBLIC. They will buy the game.
And could we please stop talking about Quebec? It is being boring and this discussion would be better in Off-Topic. Because we do not move in the debate. This is not to discuss about Quebec's independance or not, but to decide which civ could be on a huge list, and which cannot. I wouldn't have proposed Quebec if Canada wasn't on the original list, and I wouldn't ever asked for it if Canada wasn't. My opinion is that Quebec diserves more a civ than Canada, that is it. And lots of other poeple diserve more a civ than Quebec, and the list is so huge I can't name them, and I won't. Just on the territory of Quebec, there are at least 4 civ that could (probably more). There are the Algonquians, the Inus, the Micmacs, the Iros, and lots more. Just in Quebec. And they all influenced european history (in certain way, they helped the colonies). If someone is to discuss about civ, those are the ones, not Quebec. I would neatly prefer in a 30 civ list Algonquians to Quebec. No hesitation.
And if someone answers me, I will be frustrated.

 

[Corvex]

For any non-Canadian who is reading this right now, be advised that this is how things work in Canada; we debate federalism until everybody's sick of it.
Now can we please move on?

Concerning native American civs (and civs in general), shouldn't we limit ourselves to the ones who have developed agriculture?

 

[mastertyguy]

Why? Developping agriculture is good, but not having it doesn't mean you can't have a culture.

 

[Superkrest]

even if we did Agriculture only civs....the natives would still be well repersented. Maze(corn) did wonderfull things.lol..i really dont think its a fair comparison...the americas had a tremendous bounty of animals and wild growth that we lost in the eastern hemiphere thousand of years before it was on this side. why domesticate cattle when you can shoot an unlimited supply of buffolo...and the Aztecs had a city bigger then any in europe at the time...that was sustained by surrounding agricuture..as was the inca's,mayas,most coastal indians etc.

 

[CrazyMrLeo]

And could we please stop talking about Quebec?

This one was more about America than Quebec. I've said it before, but Canada shouldn't be anywhere near that list anyway.

America on the other hand, has done too much in its short lifetime to be ignored. And splitting it into various component regions would be senseless because those regions have had no individual effect on the world.

 

[Evie]

Granted - if you only go for the "major historical impact nations & cultures", America get to be in. My idea of dividing up America is only in the point of view of trying to cover all the major cultures of North America (which is the situation you get the second someone starts saying "canada" should be in).

 

[Illuminatiscott]

I swear, if i hear the "C word" or the "Q word" one more time, im gonna... im gonna cut you so bad....you're....you're gonna wish i didn't cut you so bad!

 

[mastertyguy]

Canadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!

 

[Ken the Great]

no Finnish civ

 

[Corvex]

Eighty-Four Civs! Good Lord!
Could you even imagine trying to come-up with balanced unique units for each of them? And any map in which all of them were playing would completely filled within twenty turns or so. Probably about half of them would be exterminated within the first hundred turns.