Black Flag
Rise Above
This may sound dumb.... but seeing as the South was its own civilization at one point... who thinks the CSA would spark an interesting game?
Sixty Five Civilizations
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SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Only if it were an American Civil War scenario. Otherwise I say no.
Hear Hear 100 sounds about good to me, although realistically, they should provide us with at least 50-60 Civs. As for how many to play against at the same time, I say let Firaxis provide the possibility for us to play against however many civs fit on the largest map, which should accomodate at least 40-50 civs, and let us choose how many civs we want to play against.
Milan's Warrior
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I think the Longobards should also have been included
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longobards
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longobardi
They certainly need to be included if a new "Fall of Rome" scenario is included
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longobards
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longobardi
They certainly need to be included if a new "Fall of Rome" scenario is included
wolf_brother
King
jcikal said:
Speaking from experience, I've played with 31 civs on the tiny map and believe me it's a lot of fun. Of course, I've played them on the large and huge maps and the game goes very well. If you haven't tried doing 31 civs on a tiny map, try it, you'll find it quite an experience. There's even a succession game going on with 31 civs and it's a great read. So yes, I certainly hope Firaxis gives us the option of playing against the most civs possible (at least 40 please).
kasmasnou
Chieftain
You have forgot the Catalans!
Let me do some explain of who we are and who we've been:
Our history begins at IX century with the creation of the Spanish Marche by the frankish king Charlemagne, once the muslim invasion was stopped. After Charlemagne, the Marche dispersed into counties and reigns, then the catalan counties -located in the eastern extreme of the iberian peninsula and in the both sides of the Pyrenees Mountains, under the leadership of Barcelona's one, begin to adquire personality.
By marriage ans alliances, the catalan obtained some counties at Occitania (southern France), including also Provence (and his capital, Marseilles) ans Montpellier. A war between catalan and frankish factions resulted as the loss of catalan influence at Occitania. Also, the Kingdom developed a Parliament (Corts Catalanes), one of the firsts, if not the one.
At XII century, the Count of Barcelona managed to marry the crownprincess of the Kingdom of Aragon, adquiring the title of King for Barcelona's dinasty. Then, the Reconquista advances quick, and the catalans conquered the Balearic Islands and the Valencia reign to the moors, but stopped by the castilians at Murcia.
Then begins 'The Happy Overseas Expansion': The Cont-Kings of Barcelona begun the conquest of very important places in the Mediterranian Sea. At the top of the conquests, got captured Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta, Naples Kingdom (including rights to rule Albania) and Athens-Neopatria. This era finished at the XV century.
The catalan dominions at 1443:
By and from the dinastic union with Castile at the end of XV century, the two reigns share the same king, but not merged in any political or institutional union. In fact, castilian kings must be recognised by the catalan to rule (the kings were named Kings of Castille, Aragon and Counts of Barcelona -legally Spain does not exist and isn't recognized-)
At the finish of the Sucession War this ended: the right-to-choose (sovereignity) of the Parliament was used to recognice as King a Habsburg family one, while Castilla accepted the Bourbon. After the Habsburg (king Charles) has the Crown os Austria, the international coalition left the catalans alone in the war. Bourbons and Castilla won, the Kingdom was dismantiled and castilian-like laws and institution were imposed. This is the way Spain -legally- was created and internationally recognized.
Some claims for the "devolution" of the historical institutions and laws were made from this moment on, specially with the two spanish republics and the Carlists Wars -internal ans real wars between tho branches of royal family-)
In modern days, we were divided into a french department, the Principality of Andorra -a free state-, and three spanish administrative divisions. The last ones got political autonomy, specially Catalonia. Catalans were proud of their history, got a nationalist majority on his Parliament, an independentist party at the government and only a tiny minority feels more spanish than catalan, in spite of massive spanish migration to the area.
Proposed leaders...
maybe Jaume I "el Conqueridor" (the Conqueror)
and Francesc Macià "l'Avi" (the Grandfather)
Let me do some explain of who we are and who we've been:
Our history begins at IX century with the creation of the Spanish Marche by the frankish king Charlemagne, once the muslim invasion was stopped. After Charlemagne, the Marche dispersed into counties and reigns, then the catalan counties -located in the eastern extreme of the iberian peninsula and in the both sides of the Pyrenees Mountains, under the leadership of Barcelona's one, begin to adquire personality.
By marriage ans alliances, the catalan obtained some counties at Occitania (southern France), including also Provence (and his capital, Marseilles) ans Montpellier. A war between catalan and frankish factions resulted as the loss of catalan influence at Occitania. Also, the Kingdom developed a Parliament (Corts Catalanes), one of the firsts, if not the one.
At XII century, the Count of Barcelona managed to marry the crownprincess of the Kingdom of Aragon, adquiring the title of King for Barcelona's dinasty. Then, the Reconquista advances quick, and the catalans conquered the Balearic Islands and the Valencia reign to the moors, but stopped by the castilians at Murcia.
Then begins 'The Happy Overseas Expansion': The Cont-Kings of Barcelona begun the conquest of very important places in the Mediterranian Sea. At the top of the conquests, got captured Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta, Naples Kingdom (including rights to rule Albania) and Athens-Neopatria. This era finished at the XV century.
The catalan dominions at 1443:
By and from the dinastic union with Castile at the end of XV century, the two reigns share the same king, but not merged in any political or institutional union. In fact, castilian kings must be recognised by the catalan to rule (the kings were named Kings of Castille, Aragon and Counts of Barcelona -legally Spain does not exist and isn't recognized-)
At the finish of the Sucession War this ended: the right-to-choose (sovereignity) of the Parliament was used to recognice as King a Habsburg family one, while Castilla accepted the Bourbon. After the Habsburg (king Charles) has the Crown os Austria, the international coalition left the catalans alone in the war. Bourbons and Castilla won, the Kingdom was dismantiled and castilian-like laws and institution were imposed. This is the way Spain -legally- was created and internationally recognized.
Some claims for the "devolution" of the historical institutions and laws were made from this moment on, specially with the two spanish republics and the Carlists Wars -internal ans real wars between tho branches of royal family-)
In modern days, we were divided into a french department, the Principality of Andorra -a free state-, and three spanish administrative divisions. The last ones got political autonomy, specially Catalonia. Catalans were proud of their history, got a nationalist majority on his Parliament, an independentist party at the government and only a tiny minority feels more spanish than catalan, in spite of massive spanish migration to the area.
Proposed leaders...
maybe Jaume I "el Conqueridor" (the Conqueror)
and Francesc Macià "l'Avi" (the Grandfather)
kasmasnou
Chieftain
It is possible. Catalans are less conservative about that as years progress, specially from the end of Franco's dictatorship (he begun to kill all catalan nationalist politicians at 1939 and banned the catalan language -currently spoken by 11 million people-). Nationalists parties grow, specially the independentist one (ERC), currently at the goverment, holding a prime minister position in the autonomous government of Catalonia. Now we're reforming the regional Constitution to increase self-government and self-financing policy, and that angries some spanish politicians and nationalists, but is the desire of the great majority of our people.
Thank you for being interested
Note: Catalans were on "Freeciv" -a 'Civ I' based game, downloadable from internet-
Thank you for being interested
Note: Catalans were on "Freeciv" -a 'Civ I' based game, downloadable from internet-
kasmasnou
Chieftain
from wiki:
"the islands were conquered by the Arabs in AD 870. Their influence can be seen most prominently in the modern Maltese language, which appears to have stemmed from an Arabic dialect, though it has also been heavily influenced by Romance tongues. The Maltese written language uses the standard Latin alphabet. The period of Arab rule lasted until 1090, when the islands were taken by the Sicilian Normans, restoring Christianity again. Subsequent rulers included the Anjouvines, Hohenstaufen, and the Aragonese" -we-.
in 1530 were given to the Hospital Knights.
"the islands were conquered by the Arabs in AD 870. Their influence can be seen most prominently in the modern Maltese language, which appears to have stemmed from an Arabic dialect, though it has also been heavily influenced by Romance tongues. The Maltese written language uses the standard Latin alphabet. The period of Arab rule lasted until 1090, when the islands were taken by the Sicilian Normans, restoring Christianity again. Subsequent rulers included the Anjouvines, Hohenstaufen, and the Aragonese" -we-.
in 1530 were given to the Hospital Knights.
Supporting what Kasmanou was arguing...Catalans are not a country right now...but neither are summerians, romans, hitites, vikings, scottish, iroquois, incas, aztecs,......and so on.... 
Catalans could be another european civ...at least, due to its singularity,...being probable the biggest ethnic group with no country in europe, and with a language currently spoken in 3 european countries,...politically speaking they are much like the european kurds, although much less known since they seemed banned from official history books....too sad...
(eg. Catalan is not going to be an official EU language....even though it has more people speaking it that danish...just because it has no country that fights for it....and I was surprised when my teacher in the US told us that the carta magna was first issued in England when it was issued in Catalonia some years before. Actually this two kingdoms had always had a very good relationship until the Utrech treaty (XVIII)....would the english had hold their word, now catalonia would still be a country between France and Spain instead of being crushed by the bourbon army.
....again...too sad).
Catalans could be another european civ...at least, due to its singularity,...being probable the biggest ethnic group with no country in europe, and with a language currently spoken in 3 european countries,...politically speaking they are much like the european kurds, although much less known since they seemed banned from official history books....too sad...
(eg. Catalan is not going to be an official EU language....even though it has more people speaking it that danish...just because it has no country that fights for it....and I was surprised when my teacher in the US told us that the carta magna was first issued in England when it was issued in Catalonia some years before. Actually this two kingdoms had always had a very good relationship until the Utrech treaty (XVIII)....would the english had hold their word, now catalonia would still be a country between France and Spain instead of being crushed by the bourbon army.
....again...too sad).civaddict098
Prince
what about the principality of sealand, kinda far fetched but what the hell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand
your gunna need it for 100
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand
your gunna need it for 100
Hmm. New Sealand is bigger but then it doesn't have Sealand's rich history
Mirc
Not mIRC!!!
What do you mean when you say Wallachia? Could you make me understand?Virote_Considon said:
Guitar Meister
Chieftain
Dudes, you forgot Wales in your list. The welsh are rich in culture and have the oldest european language, so surely they must be included aswell.
kasmasnou
Chieftain
the catalonian countries are about 11 million people (city of Barcelona has 1.300.000, and 4.000.000 the entire metropolitan area), not including seasonal-touristic population.
kasmasnou
Chieftain
Agreed with Wales. I used to associate them with the celtic-culture states.
